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- jads, on 10/29/2007, -2/+90T-Mobile authorized reseller doesn't mean it's *actually* T-Mobile though
- PerfektXj, on 10/10/2007, -1/+85Sites gettin a beating, http://bestpicever.com/pic-1215-T-Mobile-unlocking ... for everyone having trouble
- oepapel, on 10/10/2007, -1/+60Yes.
Unlocking a phone for the express purpose of legally connecting to another network is a DMCA exception and was added last year.
Unlocking a phone and then selling the phone for a premium is not legal. - UtopiaInTheSky, on 10/10/2007, -4/+44Is that legal?
- matthasaproblem, on 10/10/2007, -1/+32Wonder if they'll do the same for their own customer's phones.
- ryanmct, on 10/10/2007, -0/+30Yes.
- bossm4n, on 10/10/2007, -1/+29Probably hosted by AT&T.
- rjpaez, on 10/10/2007, -4/+26I'll get an iPhone right now if that turns out to be true...
- coollettuce, on 10/10/2007, -2/+23Why not? If I pay for a phone I'll be damned if Apple/AT&T tries to stop me from doing ***** to it.
- oepapel, on 10/10/2007, -1/+20Last I checked, competition wasn't illegal in the U.S.
- macslut, on 10/10/2007, -0/+18You do realize you don't have to go to that specific kiosk to get an iPhone unlocked, right?
- ryanwarnersteel, on 10/10/2007, -8/+23Sign should have had a matte cover, ***** glare.
- teh_techie, on 10/10/2007, -0/+14iPhones use GSM technology. If you unlock it, it can be used on another carrier that uses GSM (T-Mobile, or in Canada - Rogers Wireless). Verizon uses CDMA, so no... you would not be able to use an iPhone on Verizon unless Apple started to make new CDMA versions.
- Breepee, on 10/10/2007, -1/+15Here in NL it's illigal to 'bundle' 2 products in the way Apple and AT&T are doing, so yeah, this is very legal.
- prioret, on 10/10/2007, -0/+11About a year ago the Library of Congress gave a DMCA exemption for cell phone unlocking. Check out ARS on the ruling:
http://arstechnica.com/news.ars/post/20061124-8280 ...
This means that consumers cannot be prosecuted under the DMCA for circumventing protections. I don't know if this applies to 3rd parties. Regardless of the legalities, I'm sure AT$T will be suing 3rd parties.
Now apple can do a firmware upgrade (through itunes and not the AT$T networks, since the phone isnt on that any more) to relock phones. Then you would have to find a way to unlock it again. If apple wanted to, a real cat and mouse game could occur.
Its likely, though, that apple doesn't give a *****. If people buy their phone to use with other GSM operators, that more money for apple. The interesting think to know is what kind of pressure AT$T is putting on apple. - Nalin, on 10/10/2007, -0/+11I'm on Cingular and my friend is on T-Mobile. My phone was a hand-me-down and it could never hold a charge so he decided to give me his old phone (Not quite old. He just needed a phone without a camera for his job so he bought a new one.) He called up T-Mobile and asked for an unlock on it. Within a couple hours they e-mailed him the unlock code. From what I hear, T-Mobile is one of the best when it comes to phone unlocking.
- PenguinShogun, on 10/10/2007, -0/+10actually they just dropped the price, unlimited data with any voice plan is only $20 a month
- Desimat0r, on 10/29/2007, -0/+10I'm just wondering what'll happen when the next firmware breaks the unlocking -- will all these people go back to their unlockers asking for a refund?
- codyman, on 10/10/2007, -0/+9Does anyone know the account price breakdown for t-mobile for x amount of minutes + unlimited data?
- fangorious, on 10/10/2007, -0/+9they offered iPhone to Verizon first, and Verizon turned it down. Most likely because Verizon are a bunch of greedy ***** that want to disable every noteworthy feature of every phone to force you to pay them for everything you might want to do, and Apple said wouldn't go for it.
- oepapel, on 10/10/2007, -0/+8it's only illegal to sell them unlocked "for a premium". You just can't make money at it. If you sell them unlocked for the price of a locked phone then you are competing on features instead of price and your safe. Under law, you would just be a Value Added Reseller (VAR).
- fightzero01, on 10/10/2007, -1/+9Dugg for covered wagon kiosk reference!!!
- reed311, on 10/10/2007, -3/+11Man, "=!" is getting really old.
- blacklilyninja, on 10/10/2007, -0/+8wouldnt it be nice if Apple just sold them
... ***** UNLOCKED?????? - inactive, on 10/10/2007, -1/+8The Librarian of Congress, on the recommendation of the Register of Copyrights, has announced the classes of works subject to the exemption from the prohibition against circumvention of technological measures that control access to copyrighted works. Persons making noninfringing uses of the following six classes of works will not be subject to the prohibition against circumventing access controls (17 U.S.C. § 1201(a)(1)) during the next three years.
5. Computer programs in the form of firmware that enable wireless telephone handsets to connect to a wireless telephone communication network, when circumvention is accomplished for the sole purpose of lawfully connecting to a wireless telephone communication network.
http://www.copyright.gov/1201/ - afruff23, on 10/10/2007, -0/+7Yea, my friend who works in a T-mobile reseller store told me about this on Friday. He said it was perfectly legal and they would start doing it yesterday (Saturday).
- kwojniak, on 10/10/2007, -1/+8You have a lot to learn ;)
- Psythik, on 10/10/2007, -2/+8Yeah, "≠" is the new fad. Get with it!
- oepapel, on 10/10/2007, -2/+8It's not Apple that would arrest you. It's the FBI.
- GeneralKickass, on 10/10/2007, -2/+7Most phones have the back cover screwed on with a certain screw which has been screwed with a special type of screwdriver not usually available on the open market. Unlocking means replacing that screw with a regular screw so anybody can open it.
- chris182, on 10/10/2007, -1/+6But he has "1337" in his name...
- ayeroxor, on 10/10/2007, -0/+3Estimate: 100% pulled out of your ass
- gavroche, on 10/10/2007, -1/+4forgot the ;
- JByrd, on 10/10/2007, -0/+3Thanks. Those different "technologies" just seem like a way for companies to do exactly this, force you to switch carriers if you want a certain device. Seems like Apple would make the iphone compatible with both technologies, so that they could sell several million more.
- Outdoor83, on 10/10/2007, -0/+3Note to those designing sites: try to not enter a row into a poorly-structured MySQL database on a wonky machine on each visit. It'll destroy your site under any load at all. Especially when it's just so you can shoot your load off on tracking users.
- macslut, on 10/10/2007, -0/+2What I find interesting is that the free software based unlocking has been out for a while now, and Apple hasn't patched the hole which was exploited to make the unlocking possible. I'm looking forward to seeing what impact the next firmware upgrade has on all of this unlocking business.
- massproductions, on 10/10/2007, -2/+4Yes, everyone knows that diggs =/= number of clicks, but the amount of traffic a story has is usually correlates to how many diggs it has. If an average server can stay running after 50 or so diggs with relative ease, saying that it's unusual that a story would be down after just 10 diggs is a perfectly justified comment.
- Wander2000, on 10/10/2007, -0/+2I was a little surprised the other day when I called T-Mobile to get an unlock code for my Wing (which is going on eBay now that I have an unlocked iPhone). Since I have a family plan, I wasn't sure which number my Wing was technically on, not that T-Mobile cares anyway. But when I gave the lady my primary number, she said, "well we show an Apple iPhone being used on that line". I didn't know quite what to say. I did get the unlock code the next day, but it just goes to show you T-Mobile doesn't care what you use, as long as you pay for the service.
I have never heard of any way of re-locking a phone. I would seriously doubt there is a way to do it. And even if there is, Apple would have to spend a lot of time and money to come up with a method of doing that, while at the same time not affecting locked phones. As time goes on, and more carriers in Europe start to use the iPhone, then this becomes more and more of an impractical thing for Apple to accomplish.
I won't be surprised if Apple at least attempts to 'fix' this hole in a future update to iTunes, to 'save face' with AT&T, but remember, you can buy an iPhone at an Apple store without needing to activate it. I'm keeping an old T-Mobile phone as a backup, just in case I lose my phone function for a few days. But the cat is out of the bag, there is no going back; if Apple disables it, the community will re-enable it again. The one carrier deal and the act of Congress allowing unlocking just didn't make sense, and I think Apple is just looking the other way, while they merrily skip all the way to the bank. - tmfan00, on 10/10/2007, -0/+2its not that hard to unlock...took me 10 minutes
- NinjaPig, on 10/10/2007, -0/+2i've looked into the legality of this thoroughly, and from what i found its not illegal to unlock your own phones but doing so with the intent of making a profit off of it or selling it...is absolutely illegal.
Correct me if i'm wrong, but these t-mobile authorized sellers who im sure are only authorized retailers (not directly part of t-mobile), are about to get sued out of their minds..there is absolutely no way this is going to hold up in court. - antoniojvr, on 10/10/2007, -2/+4Conservative conversion: 1 Digg = 20 Clickthroughs.
- thewebguy, on 10/10/2007, -0/+2add the Total Internet Plan (19.99 for unlimited EDGE internet) and add text messaging if you want it (starts at 4.99 for 400 msgs) -- and cancel the Sidekick plan (won't work with it)
- razrielle, on 10/10/2007, -0/+2nope
total internet add on is 29.99
cheapest minutes plan is 29.99 - Klarth, on 10/10/2007, -9/+11Diggs =! clicks
- Nothlit, on 10/10/2007, -0/+2It's more of an evolutionary thing. These different standards simply grew out of the natural competition of wireless companies to develop what they believed to be better technologies, and now we are stuck with multiple standards. Making a phone compatible with both GSM and CDMA networks would affect many aspects of the device: how the voice is encoded, how the text messaging service works, how the radio signal is modulated, which frequencies the phone has to use, etc. It may be possible in theory but is probably not practical as it would increase the size and price of the device.
- chidori, on 10/10/2007, -3/+5this sign is probably from some phone store that aren't official chain store of t-mobile.
- Outdoor83, on 10/10/2007, -0/+2It's very hard to read and parse this response. Please make an effort to use proper punctuation, capitalization, and paragraphs (all where appropriate, of course).
- tobyadams, on 10/10/2007, -0/+2stick it to the man!!!
- twodayslate, on 10/10/2007, -0/+2Thank goodness.
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