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- Dumbledorito, on 04/02/2008, -1/+156Am I right in assuming that Creative crippled all this stuff to make their customers pay for a "service pack" or somesuch at a future date and just never got around to it?
I can't think of any good reason for them having effed up their drivers in the first place.
/disgruntled X-Fi owner - sockpuppets, on 04/02/2008, -7/+155My imagination is my sound card.
Pew! Pew!
Pew! Pew! Pew! - MageeMC, on 04/02/2008, -1/+145"Creative purposedly modified the Audigy drivers to disable some features when Vista is detected and also purposedly introduced some bugs to prevent some XP utilities from running."
I think that says it all. - Zera, on 04/02/2008, -2/+104Guys, remember, if you want to punish Creative financially for doing these things, then just plan to sell your Creative item at some point on ebay. The newer the item is the better, because for every item sold on ebay, that item will fill the demand for a Creative product, a demand that would have otherwise been filled by a new card at newegg.
This does far more financially than a boycott, although a boycott is a good idea. Breaking your card is just stupid, even giving it away is better than either destroying it, OR continuing to use it. Flood the market with them! - metalica77, on 04/02/2008, -0/+73It would be ironic if companies such as ASUS hired Daniel K to help them on their team. He deserves it for all he has done for the community.
- Yusayoh, on 04/02/2008, -16/+81***** THE RIAA
- sp1keNARF, on 04/02/2008, -0/+60what the industry needs now is an alternative sound card manufacturer to step in and announce that it doesn't care if people write their own drivers, and encourages them to do so.
- InorganicMatter, on 04/02/2008, -2/+61Intentionally crippling hardware on Vista?
Fail. - MrTito, on 04/02/2008, -0/+57I'm gonna have to ask you to stop writing drivers for that.
Thanks,
Phil - PeterJvM, on 04/02/2008, -5/+62This is great news, Daniel_K,
my donation is on it's way!
- MikeyMoose, on 01/30/2009, -4/+59Creative should be investigated for fraud by the US DOJ. They are deliberately crippling products that they have misled customers into buying.
- aussieNickuss, on 04/02/2008, -1/+55They give him ***** for taking donations......yet those donations were going to go straight back into buying more Creative products. Idiots.
- ingithor, on 04/02/2008, -3/+55In 1991 I bought my first SoundBlaster Pro card, I've bought many more after that SB32 Gold, SB Live 5.1.
Creative: I promise I'll never buy anything more from you again, not even for my kids or anyone else in my family :-|
You've really screwed up this time. - lukas88, on 04/02/2008, -0/+48He sounds like a classy guy, willing to admit his own mistakes and not bitter. He could have REALLY stuck it to creative by supporting the boycott or releasing the restricted drivers anyway, and because of the way he was treated, probably most people would. Hats off.
- NeptuneBkc, on 04/02/2008, -14/+61And a BIG LOL for the dumbass that split his Creative card a couple of days ago on Digg.
- Gizza, on 04/02/2008, -0/+36Funny thing about all this is that I hadn't even heard of this guy before all this stuff happened. I was thinking about getting an X-Fi (Auzentech one) because the Audigy 2 drivers prevent Vista from updating to SP1. Now thanks to Creative complaining about this guy, I went and downloaded his drivers and will now not need to buy a new card. Also I've got all the features back that I had in XP but not in Vista.
When I first got Vista I just used onboard sound for the first few months before trying the sound card again. You really can hear the difference, especially in games with EAX, surround and environmental sounds is much better, so I'm glad to be able to get this working properly now. Thanks Daniel K. - kb7735, on 04/02/2008, -0/+36And Daniel_K had to do all this through reverse engineering/assembly. Can you imagine how easy it would be for Creative to make it work themselves ? They're either grossly incompetent or purposefully made the drivers broke ... or evidently both!
- metalica77, on 04/02/2008, -1/+33http://forums.creative.com/creativelabs/board/mess ... Sorry for double post
CREATIVE SPEAKS OUT - bossm4n, on 04/02/2008, -3/+34I think we've had enough Rickrolling today. In fact, I think we've had enough for the rest of the f&cking year.
- KiraDnote, on 04/02/2008, -0/+31That's a pretty weak apology from a company that purposely cripples it's own software in order to drive sales of it's hardware.
- Bulletbillx, on 04/02/2008, -0/+28This is good, sell your existing card and THEN boycott for maximum effect. No new units sold, while tons of used cards are sold makes creative get owned even more.
- Harfish, on 04/02/2008, -0/+26LOUD NOISES
- ElBeh, on 04/02/2008, -1/+27WHAT ARE WE YELLING ABOUT
- TertiusRegent, on 04/02/2008, -0/+25Creative Labs was defrauding its customers. If this was MS it would be all over the blogosphere... like the speculation of MS-Intell collusion. My X-Fi Extreme Gamer box still has it's "Windows Vista Certified" sticker on it that have since been omitted from subsequent shipments. CL maintained on their support site that the lack of sound quality, i.e. no multi-channel output via coaxial or optical digital connection was to point the finger at how MS designed Vista. Unless you buy gadget from CL to make it work - using analog hookup. Yet they completely ignored customers' pointing out that just about every generic motherboard's integreted sound did this quite well; that customers bought CL soundcards on their (past) reputation for delivering above and beyond this. They're still sporting their THX Certified emblem though. It's been over a decade since THX studios released anything analog so let's hope Mr. Lucas' Star Wars franchise keeps him in the green or he may come a-calling.
CL's cards suck now. Stick one of their new ones in a machine and it'll crash it if you so much as fart near the chassis. The SBLive! I bought for my Win9x still delivers better sound on the old 486, yet I think it's more than a coincidence that CL's quality started nose-diving when DirectX made pandering to CL less of a necessity. - Zera, on 04/02/2008, -0/+24Most companies don't care....... some even embrace it.
- macgallant, on 04/02/2008, -1/+24creative is freaking manhandling existing customers into getting newer more expensive sound cards. . . what creative is doing is
unethical and wrong. . . can't blame Daniel K for modding existing creative soundcard drivers to get them to work properly with vista. . . - doctor49152, on 04/02/2008, -2/+25This REALLY PISSES me off. If Creative made different model of cards and sold them thats one thing. But to make one card, cripple the software and release it is just EVIL. It's like MS and their multi-vista versions.
Here is a guy who is smart and seems to love and support Creative and its products. They should have offered him a job! Not threaten him!!
I think they were angry with him for the fact that he found their scam and was offering a fix.
My next sound card will be something else that doesn't offer crippleware - hinchb, on 04/02/2008, -0/+23I'm not really sure why people are digging this guy down he does have a point about consumer fraud.
- inactive, on 04/02/2008, -1/+22If you do a lot of gaming or audio editing, then yes. If you're a standard PC user or you do mild gaming, there's no real need, honestly.
- Viral, on 04/02/2008, -0/+21Or just to force people into upgrading. If they don't offer Vista drivers for old hardware, and then release new hardware with drivers that work (even poorly) at least some, if not most, people will upgrade.
Creative can't be making a lot of money from sound cards anymore with onboard audio as prominent it is, and they've been playign second-fiddle to Apple in the mp3 market for years now. They have to do something to drum up business, right? - sexybobo, on 04/02/2008, -0/+19The problem is there are not that many gullible people still using Creative sound cards. The mass non-techy market just buys their HPs or dells with on board audio and are happy this is not 10 or so years ago were if you wanted audio on your pc you would buy a soundblaster card. The techy/audiophile market is the people they still have and that is the same group of people they pissed off by doing this.
- applepro, on 04/02/2008, -0/+17Quote that I am re-iterating from TertiusRegent:
Creative Labs was defrauding its customers.
Creative Labs was defrauding its customers.
Creative Labs was defrauding its customers.
Creative Labs was defrauding its customers.
Creative Labs was defrauding its customers.
Creative Labs was defrauding its customers.
Creative Labs was defrauding its customers.
Creative Labs was defrauding its customers. - WoollyMittens, on 04/02/2008, -0/+15Stop defending Creative. Sure it was their copyright, but they were cheating and neglecting their users. Why would you defend a company that screws you?
- buddyw, on 04/02/2008, -0/+15creative is totally screwed...
- inactive, on 04/02/2008, -2/+17Daniel_K -> Project Downloads: http://hosted.filefront.com/braziliantech/
- aaaleman, on 04/02/2008, -0/+15Regardless of the Creative legal team's argument, the Daniel K. vs. Creative fight points to everything that's wrong with today's broken copyright laws.
Creativity, like Daniel K.'s, should be praised and welcome because it helps the end user, and should not be attacked by shortsighted lawyers and greedy corporations.
This, my friend, is why Digg is making a big deal of this. - mrsteveman1, on 04/02/2008, -0/+14They can still interview him, lots of people were simply curious about what exactly he was doing to the drivers, and it's quite clear that 90% of the mods he made are things Creative stupidly removed from their own drivers JUST in the Vista versions, then they arrogantly claim to have the sole right to disable whatever they want in products people have already paid for.
So yea, an interview would be nice, but at this point i say hes in the right, and creative and their poor drivers can ***** a duck. - Ouze, on 04/02/2008, -1/+15How Creative should have handled this:
1.) Called him, instead of posting anything publicly.
2.) Offered him some work, see if he is interested.
3.) Send him an NDA, stating he will be seeing propietary code and this is work for hire.
4.) Once they have that, they have 2 options: the could either put him to work in good faith fixing their drivers. Or they could tell him the drivers are crippled for marketing, rather then technical reasons. His hands would be tied - he could do what little work they gave him, but he could he couldn't say anything about it publicly, or they'd ***** him with the NDA. Why they didn't do this, I don't know. - rajputwarrior, on 04/02/2008, -1/+14even if only half of what daniel_k says is true about what creative disabled or "bugged" in vista, that is still unbelievable...
- sadsadrobot, on 04/02/2008, -4/+17Are sound cards better than an integrated sound card or what? Because Ive never used anything except a motherboard with an integrated sound card.
- xptoast, on 04/02/2008, -3/+16...and your ignorant. All that was said was true and easily shown. Why are you such a punk to those that you should not be a punk to? Is it just to seem like you are awesome or more intelligent?
Reasons to ever argue...
1.Act like you know everything(ego)
2.Just because (for fun)
3.Just to piss people off (for fun or just stupidity?)
4.Cause you hate them (wow seriously?)
5.For the sole fact you wish to have good information present that will HELP people and not cripple their lives in any way shape or form if possible (the best reason and only valid reason that should be used)
I for some reason think you are saying it for reason number 1 and maybe a couple others.
PS>I did it for the nooky?....Na that doesn't sound right. I did it for number 5 because I feel that people that piss all over everybody and their good mood should be publicly humiliated in front of thousands of readers, viewers, or listeners. Now I hope that this shows you to not be an arrogant prick next time.
If you wish to digg me down I will understand but I hope you understand my intentions were not to be vain because I honestly am on Parr with any human because I am human. Nobody better or worse than I in that we all sin(or w/e you concept you subscribe to that is similar). I wish you all good day and happy digging:) - KiraDnote, on 04/02/2008, -0/+13He only got $146. He wanted the money so he could buy other Creative hardware to work with. Not much of a crime.
- Typhoon2009, on 04/02/2008, -0/+12They're doing it to make a point. Even over the internet, it's called taking a stand.
- SuperRoach, on 04/02/2008, -0/+12I think instead of demanding open drivers - they should provide up to date, properly functioning software to begin with.
- Zera, on 04/02/2008, -4/+15Agreed with D14BL0 ^^
In addition, "on board" sound keeps getting better and better. My latest motherboard has 7.1 surround with optical out. At that point you need thousands (tens of thousands?) of dollars worth of audio hardware, (speakers, receivers, cables) to even hope to hear the difference. And for anyone who's ever been to a really loud concert without earplugs, scratch yourself off the list of people with good enough hearing to enjoy the added performance. - hinchb, on 04/02/2008, -1/+12I don't really get it, why should they have exclusive rights to ban software that you are running on a piece of hardware that you bought from them? That's like saying hard drive companies can bitch at you for anything you put on their drives, which is just silly.
- sexybobo, on 04/02/2008, -1/+12When is the last time you heard Realtek complain about anything the community does? Sound card are a dieing market so there are not going to be to many people jumping in at this late stage in the game. What would be nice is a new company making high end onboard audio for cheap some one to compete with Realtek
- icsbase, on 04/02/2008, -1/+12It seems that Creative isn't so "creative" after all but luckily some people can replace Creatives lack of enthusiasm.
- Kloud, on 04/02/2008, -0/+10Funny thing, he received about $150 in donations. I'm willing to bet the house that Creative just lost thousands of dollars.
Gotta love when Execs speak without going through PR first! - Myztry, on 04/02/2008, -0/+10" O'Shaughnessy also wrote that whether or not it cripples its Vista drivers is a "business decision that only we have the right to make."
Wrong. In countries like Australia, the consumer has the right under law to modify things for the purpose of fair use. Crippling measures like zone-locking can be legally removed as they restrict fair-use right as granted under Australian law.
The same applies with copy protection as the consumer has the fair use right to have a functional backup. Sony has tended to tackle Copyright infringements through means like suing people for Copyright breaches on the artwork of allegedly pirated goods.
If companies weren't so anal about abusing people rights, then we wouldn't need explicit laws granting rights that may in turn be used against the Corporations. -
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