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- fernando26, on 10/12/2007, -3/+69Just say no to blogspam.
Direct link to article:
http://cre.ations.net/creation/face-mounted-lucid-dreaming-mask - sockpuppets, on 10/12/2007, -7/+69I seriously doubt anyone wearing this thing has ever gotten close to a girl let alone had one in bed.
- billymachine, on 10/12/2007, -4/+43Look out everyone, it's an expert! He read the wikipedia article!
- billymachine, on 10/12/2007, -1/+21And that is what makes you a boring human being.
- madpie, on 10/12/2007, -4/+20good question. Go walk in front of a bus and see if you come to any conclusions.
- Bhima, on 10/12/2007, -6/+21I can't believe 45 people actually dugg this... it's the antithesis of good lucid dreaming practice!
Please people, if you are interested in lucid dreaming get a red LED flashlight and notebook... or perhaps a voice recorder and then transcribe the dreams in the morning.
I've been doing this for years and average about 2-3 per week not 1 in 6 months! - ahawks, on 10/12/2007, -1/+16Yeah... and I hate food too! I just stick various proteins, fibers, and starches together in a blender and chug it down for the required nutritional intake.
Life is about more than meeting the minimum. - MLyzz, on 10/12/2007, -7/+20Will this have any affect on my wet dreaming?
- Drahkar, on 10/12/2007, -1/+14Actually low-light REM stimulation using LEDs is a common practice in an attempt to get people to realize they are dreaming and allow lucid control of them. Success is variable, but it has been something used in academic and clinical studies for some time.
- Bhima, on 10/12/2007, -4/+16My method:
1: Don't try, do; don't have expectations
2: Record my dreams (I write them down, my friend records them a writes them in the morning)
3: Understand that your life lasts longer than 2 weeks
really that's it. you won't get lucid dreams instantly and you won't get lucid dreams every night... but you will get more lucid dreams than this device (or a $200.00 device) or some ***** scam from an google search
truly... I will tell you I have been trying to build a reliable device for a while now and none of my prototypes have worked on better than a pen and pencil.
I have 5 purchased devices that identify REM and alert the victim and none of them work well and nowhere near as well as just writing your dreams down.
I will confess that small reminders placed strategically around the house help (like permanent post-it notes) but they are incompatible with having a significant other who does not share your interest.
But this article... this isn't excellent nor a good attempt... this is like huffing petrol to get high or something - scaaven2, on 10/12/2007, -2/+14I submitted this story last night and linked directly to the actual article:
http://digg.com/gadgets/DIY_Lucid_Dreaming_Mask
you can see he even slapped the _2 on his article. - johnsto, on 10/12/2007, -1/+13It's a dream in which you KNOW you're dreaming. Often this means you then have complete control over what is happening, and can do anything you please while you're still in that state.
- billymachine, on 10/12/2007, -1/+12Okay, Bhima, and where should I stick the flashlight?
But seriously, I think I speak for all of us when I say: If you've got a good method, post it here! - austindkelly, on 10/12/2007, -2/+13i think they were just joking...
- ptrcd003, on 10/12/2007, -4/+15I don't see any capacitors
- byt123, on 10/12/2007, -1/+10You may be an automaton who just thinks they are human! ... Quick, slit your wrists and check for wires!
- toddsayshi, on 10/12/2007, -3/+12@linkedList
That's really sad. - byt123, on 10/12/2007, -3/+10Lucid dreaming is when you install linux and it just works first go....
- aantix, on 10/12/2007, -2/+9This is excellent. While the timing isn't going to be as reliable as reading the eyes for REM, it's still a good attempt.
I wrote a blog post a while ago about utilizing the Kvasar mask and a computer for coginitive development while lucid dreaming.
http://www.runfatboy.net/blog/2006/07/20/hypnopaedia-and-the-missing-link-or-the-jim-jones-sleep-learning-theory/ - zorpscorp, on 10/12/2007, -0/+7Yep, it's just awareness that you're dreaming. Now, remembering that you're dreaming throughout the dream, and then having complete control of the dream once you realize it can be a lot harder to do. http://www.dreamviews.com has a site and forum with all sorts of information about lucid dreaming if you're interested.
- amandaw33, on 10/12/2007, -5/+12http://www.makezine.com/blog/nate.jpg
Wow. Pity the girl sleepin' next to you. God help her if you roll over and a capacitor comes loose and pokes her in the eye or something. - panzerfinder15, on 10/12/2007, -0/+7damn, no wires, only blood!
- Calypsoaf, on 10/12/2007, -2/+8So, where is the line between reality and fantasy drawn after we all can instantly become kings of our mind?
- AbortedFetus, on 10/12/2007, -1/+5Hmm, I guess your sarcasm meter is a bit off?
- luvkit, on 10/12/2007, -0/+5I seem to always have lucid dreams, at least by the definitions I've read so far. I'm always aware that I am dreaming, when I have dreams, but my dreams seem to fight me. For instance, if I decide to leave a room with a phantom threatening to kill me, I will often be prevented from doing so. Literally, I will be pulled back by a sort of gravity. Or I will walk out of one room and enter the same room by another door. All the while, I am aware that I am dreaming. I even force myself to change locations, from dark haunted rooms to bright and sunny skies, with lots of people. But even when this happens, whatever I am running from follows me, and if I take any sort of notice of it at all the dark, haunted room returns... but with more dread than ever.
This happened to me just two nights ago. There were lots of big spiders with tiger stripes in a basement with not but two lights side by side. I tried to leave by way of the stairs, but I couldn't. So, I forced myself upstairs; I guess I teleported. Then I was in the living room with a body hanged from the ceiling... but with no rope. It just hung there. I couldn't stand the dread and fear anymore so I tried to force myself awake. But once I became aware of my bedroom, I couldn't move or speak. I had that crushing feeling on my chest, and I tried to fight it. But I still felt that fear as though the spiders and hanging body were in the room with me. Eventually, I was pulled back into the dream in the room I had just left. I fought to wake three times more, when I finally wasn't paralyzed I got up and turned on the radio so I'd be distracted and I could fall asleep. But thru all the dream I was aware I was dreaming, and attempting to control it, but it seemed to fight back.
My dreams have always been lucid, but again it feels like they are fighting me to do whatever it is they have planned. I have gotten good enough to wake up, or reread books that I'm reading (yes I read novels in my dreams).
So any dream analysts out there in diggland to tell me if these are real lucid dreams? Or maybe you can just tell me if I'm crazy. - slicedbread, on 10/12/2007, -0/+5"@baphomet: also a good book but again something I fear Americans are not so receptive to.
For these people I recommend something more clinical like Stephen LaBerge's stuff. Stephen also used offer a REM detecting mask but I think he gave up. His Hawaii workshop is a fascinating experience."
wow....prejudice is cool when it's directed at americans. don't you think that anyone, in any country, interested in lucid dreaming would be interested in such information? while it's true that some people (all over the world) may reject that book there are plenty of others (all over) who would love to learn about it.
i don't blame you for this sentiment, it was western science that denied and downplayed lucidity in dreams for a long time, even though dream yoga is older than America is. i just hope people don't hold back because of the more close minded types here.
your other points though bhima....were great. I have been meditating inside of myself and my dreams for some time now.
I personally don't see lucid dreams as being a good a way to have sex. Seems 'wrong' to me. Sex is for real life. Using lucid dreams for sex is like jerking off in front of the entire universe. go ahead digg me down, i said it! - waahooo, on 10/12/2007, -2/+7Nobody said lucid dreams were wet dreams.
- inactive, on 10/12/2007, -1/+6"Please people, if you are interested in lucid dreaming get a red LED flashlight and notebook... "
What does the red LED flashlight have to do with anything?
I mean, say you have one, what is to be done with it? - billymachine, on 10/12/2007, -0/+5@ baugles: Haha, that's what I was trying to figure out. I actually do have a red LED flashlight, it's a headlamp intended for use at night when a bright white LED would ruin your night vision. So, you could use it to see your notebook at night in order to write down your dreams, I suppose. But that's hardly what I would call a "technique"...
That books seems decent, but a little more "spiritual" than I'd like. Thanks for the link, though! - unloud, on 10/12/2007, -3/+8If it was pointed out by others, why did you feel we would need you to point it out again?
- ahawks, on 10/12/2007, -2/+7No ***** Sherlock... the article starts out with:
"When I first started reading about lucid dreaming, I found that some companies had created expensive pieces of technology aimed at increasing your likelihood of having a lucid dream when you wear it to sleep. I wanted one, but at the price of $200 they did not look so promising. "
My guess is your dad is one of the suckers that dropped 2 Benjamins on some flashy lights. - interrogate, on 10/12/2007, -0/+4You do realize you can do "all that riff raff" and still get a full night's rest, right?
- yuriko, on 10/12/2007, -0/+4We're so lazy as a human race... a device to help us lucid dream? humans have been able to do it for thousands of years. aka dream yoga. A little bit of practice and a lit of bit of effort (with directions from any of the books mentioned in these comments - my fav is Dream Yoga) and we can all do it effortlessly - every night. Without the assistance of silly devices...
- Bhima, on 10/12/2007, -13/+17This is not the way to go about alerting yourself you're in REM.
It is a good way to make sure you sleep poorly though. - billymachine, on 10/12/2007, -0/+4Was Springtime For Hitler playing at the theater that night?
- ahawks, on 10/12/2007, -4/+7Laaaaame.
The creator of the device even says:
"I think lucid dreaming in general has been hijacked by the new-age people who try to tack it onto nonsense like astral projection, out-of-body experiences, telepathy, precognition, and so on. That sort of thing hurts the credibility of lucid dreaming as a practice and art form."
You and your astraldynamics.com link are not welcome in this thread :P - johnsto, on 10/12/2007, -5/+8Something about this really creeps me out. I don't know why. I like the idea! It's just a bit scary...
But it does kinda remind me of the time I had a dream where I believed that if I woke up and remembered the dream, I would die. I then woke up, sweating profusely, and laid petrified for ages trying to think of anything else other than the dream.
That was bloody scary. - Niro, on 10/12/2007, -1/+4No Digg, that is not a mask !! A mask covers one's face that is a head band ....
- IWriteCode, on 10/12/2007, -0/+3I lucid dream constantly. More often than not it is for nightmare control, like what you're saying. I realize I'm having a dream and then start shooting spiderman webbing, crawling walls, and beating the crap out of everyone. Great stuff.
Some nights I have one lucid dream after another, wake up at 4 in the morning, and feel like I've been up all night due to the dreaming. Its like needing a rest from dreaming. - Drahkar, on 10/12/2007, -0/+3@Bhima - I have to agree with several other posters on this regarding your comments. I have yet to see anything (Aside from a comment on a possible boot for those whom you have deemed 'Americans' who wouldn't benefit from because they are not receptive to it. (Your reasoning for this of course left out as it is nothing more than the same type of prejudice that many people are guilty of in one form or another.)
The only real detail you go into on your comments on how to best do it are nothing more than elitist style comments on why people shouldn't bother with said tools. While I do agree that the results of these tools are variable and don't' always result in success. To toss out a blanket statement as you have is as bad as major scientific groups tossing out findings merely because the person offering them doesn't have thirty sets of initials after their name. (ie PhD, etc.)
For those who are interested in Lucid Dreaming and/Or Astral Projection. (I know there is a wide range of opinions on both topics.) The book listed above, Specifically:
Dream Yoga: Writings on Dreams and Astral Travel
ISBN: 097427559X (You can look it up in an Amazon.com search using this code)
I hear this is a decent book on the topic. also I highly recommend:
Astral Dynamics
Written by: Robert Bruce
ISBN: 1571741437
Astral Dynamics being a much more contemporary look at the topics of Astral Projection and contains a great deal of information on Astral Projection practices as well as meditation practices in general that are very effective for people. This is actually one of the books I would personally recommend. For those who have been on the Internet since the mid-1990s they might have come across the 'Treatise on Astral Projection' that was done as a set of USENET Articles that eventually were put into a standard HTML format before eventually reaching an archived state like most information eventually does. This group of articles were also done by Robert Bruce. - Eaglefire, on 10/12/2007, -0/+3Dreams and lucid dreams are fickle things. I found that things which are difficult for me to do in lucid dreams are trivially easy for others. It is my belief that it's all in your head - if you honestly believe the dreams are trying to control you, then in a lucid dream they will do it too. The dream itself is inside your mind, and anything in your mind will affect it.
- Eaglefire, on 10/12/2007, -0/+3The first couple nights they were way too bright and it woke me up.
I had to find a good medium between 'so bright it wakes me up' and 'so dim it doesn't shine through my eyelids'.
Needless to say, I found it. - Spo8, on 10/12/2007, -0/+3Oh sure, it's all fun and games until someone gets an LED in the eye.
- byt123, on 10/12/2007, -2/+6Yeah I second that... Lucid Dreaming is about being aware you are dreaming, these Astral Projecting nuts think they ACTUALLY travel to some distant planet!! Um, yeah..........
- naisanza, on 10/12/2007, -0/+2drink 3 tall glasses of water prior to bedtime. It'll keep you at the edge of waking up throughout the night.
- hackwrench, on 10/12/2007, -3/+5"This is not the way to go about alerting yourself you're in REM"
"it's the antithesis of good lucid dreaming practice!"
If you're going to bother making such assertions would you bother substantiating them?
And would others mind not modding them up? - geekymonkey, on 10/12/2007, -1/+3I love lucid dreams.
But I definitely would not want that thing shining in my eyes. - RequiemAristos, on 10/12/2007, -0/+2Fear is a strong emotion, and attempting to run from something will only make your brain think that what you are running from has power.
My suggestion is to let things happen, or confront them directly, depending on how strong your will is. Since you're dreaming, you might as well let the phantom have a stab at you, or just go up to it and give it a hug or a kick to the face. You should fear it a lot less after that, and in turn it won't have such a power over you. - StayLucid, on 10/12/2007, -0/+2"You do realize you can do "all that riff raff" and still get a full night's rest, right?"
In fact, you get better than that. When I get up after having a lucid dream, I'm often much more awake and happy for the rest of the day. - StayLucid, on 10/12/2007, -0/+2"If you've got a good method, post it here!"
My (and many others') most successful method: Wake Back to Bed
http://dreamviews.com/forum/index.php?showtopic=6147
This gives me at least a 50% success rate.
If you've never tried lucid dreaming before, please try it out, using this or any method you see fit. Once you have your first high-level, fully aware lucid dream, it will change your life (and even your online handle...; ) -
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