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- taron, on 11/14/2007, -8/+24No, because MS is still MS =)
- gonknet, on 11/15/2007, -0/+15Has anyone considered the possibility that MSNBot is sending requests with a different UserAgent string and different Referrer to see if they are getting a different page? Some people are sleazy enough to fill their pages with irrelevant search terms when it appears that the request is coming from one of the search engine spider bots.
- Quilby, on 11/14/2007, -9/+23They want webmasters to advertise with adCenter by making them believe that many users are coming from Live Search. Yet another scam from MS.
- eKstreme, on 11/14/2007, -9/+23This is unwarranted bot behovior that does not obey the robots.txt and spoofs the keywords you're supposedly ranking for. If it doesn't qualify as a form of spam, what does?
100% agree that it's not right. - Senn, on 11/15/2007, -11/+23Microsoft, meet hosts.deny. I'm sure you'll get along just peachy.
- sirhomer, on 11/14/2007, -14/+23Basically what Microsoft is doing is running bots to visit websites with phony headers in order to inflate the marketshare numbers for Live Search and Internet Explorer. I don't know if that qualifies as "spam", but it certainly doesn't seem right.
- Skitzzo, on 11/15/2007, -13/+21Because people needed another reason to hate MS...
- latova, on 11/14/2007, -11/+18At the end of the day people still complain and fear google. Google has majority marketshare and has never pulled anything near this. Microsoft is still catching up and this is the ***** they pull... just imagine what they'd do if they had the market share.
Worse off, some people depend on search engines for majority of their traffic and income. Microsoft's "let us do what we want or we block you off our listings" attitude doesn't cut it at all. - JasonCox, on 11/14/2007, -7/+14I've had more issues with GoogleBot hitting site so much that it was the equivilent of a DDoS attack. I've had none with MS so far.
- TheDiggerz, on 11/14/2007, -0/+7If you look at the search terms, you can see that most of the search terms are spammy so what I think that what MS is doing is checking if the page is changing it's content depending on what is searched for. ie. Blackhat SEO.
I could imagine that there is a lot of money in those keywords. - iamaelephant, on 11/14/2007, -3/+9Show me the evidence.
- GuyeNoir, on 11/15/2007, -2/+7I thought spam was originally a canned precooked meat product?
- benitojuarez, on 11/14/2007, -3/+8are you sure these "bots" arent somehow related to club.live.com ? Any time you type in an answer to a game on that site it plugs it into live search.
- SSCrow, on 11/14/2007, -0/+4Except for LIVE Image search kicks Google's Image Search ass.
- latova, on 11/14/2007, -3/+7Yet the same people still use the stuff they make and give them money. Society makes no sense.
- iamaelephant, on 11/14/2007, -3/+6I like Windows and most of the MS apps that I use.
- anks329, on 11/14/2007, -2/+5I’m seeing similar traffic in my reports as well. I’ve been getting hits from Live Search for random keywords, such as login, views, Halloween, seniors, etc. These are keywords that I know I’m not highly ranked for, nor do I want to be. Interestingly, I’m not seeing the IP Address that you mentioned, the ones that stand out in my reports are:
65.55.209.78
65.55.209.79
65.55.209.83
65.55.209.80
65.55.209.82
65.55.209.84
65.55.209.77
65.55.209.81
65.55.209.85
All are lookup back to MSN live Search. - baalzebub, on 11/14/2007, -8/+11i bet as microsoft loses market share to BSD/Linux/Solarus/OSX that microsoft will start behaving in a more trollish manner = spamming & astroturfing, they been spreading FUD for years and lately been making slanderous claims that GNU&Linux has microsoft's IP in it yet microsoft refuses to show what IP they are talking about...
- op12, on 11/14/2007, -2/+4You can adjust the frequency of GoogleBot visits in their webmaster tools (though you shouldn't have to do this):
http://www.google.com/webmasters/ - EvilWalksWithMe, on 11/14/2007, -2/+3Who cares? That new Windows Live stuff is cool. I'm using it all, and must admit, I am more than happy with it.
- lensman00, on 11/14/2007, -2/+3I think this might be Microsoft's "Live Search Macros". If you do a Google search for "livsop" (which appears in most of the suspicious referrer strings) and site:live.com, you get mostly results for that service. It makes some sense, since that is a roll-your-own-search-engine service that allows users to specify websites to index, along with keywords. MS may be passing those keywords down to the websites when they index as part of customizing these mini-engines for users.
http://search.live.com/macros
Mystery solved? - chaosmachine, on 11/14/2007, -4/+5Wow. I've seen these fake live.com queries show up in my server logs several times, but I had no idea why. Nice to know I'm not the only one.
- jimbocook, on 11/14/2007, -6/+7The volume my sites see from Live Search is miniscule. I wouldn't get hurt if they dropped me from their index.
- angedinoir, on 11/15/2007, -1/+2I'm assuming you're a linux fanboi. Let's start with: I can't get my NVidia and broadcomm wireless drivers to work in under 4 hours. That's something you can't do in any distro of linux. Windows works out of the box.
Yes linux distros *can* fix that, but the point is that they haven't. - EvilWalksWithMe, on 11/14/2007, -3/+4Me too.
- mvandemar, on 11/15/2007, -3/+4Right on crossmr, because as we all know the meanings of made-up words never, ever change... especially in the highly static world of the Internet.
- iamaelephant, on 11/14/2007, -1/+2Can someone explain what is happening in plain English? I seriously didn't understand this blog post.
- amdlinux, on 07/08/2008, -0/+1I have banned MSNBot via robots.txt from all my websites and will do the same with Yahoo Slurp as soon as MS has taken them over.
- darushin, on 11/14/2007, -2/+3It should also be mentioned that this bot is downloading ad-sense blocks. This could cause the webmaster to loose his/her account with google.
- radiofrequency, on 11/14/2007, -1/+1Microsoft is a scumbag organization. I can't believe people would actually work for it if they knew what it was up to.
- mvandemar, on 11/15/2007, -2/+2He said "figured", as in "guessed", not "figured out".
http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/doofus - inactive, on 11/14/2007, -3/+3They do this to look for cloaked pages duh. wow what a bunch of noobs
- afx1, on 11/14/2007, -3/+3Some websites show the search engines certain content, but show legitimate users who arrived FROM the search engine, different, more profitable content. One way the website tries to detect if it's a legitimate user is by checking if the referrer to the site was from a search engine (such as live.com or msn.com). If it was, then they show the different content to that visitor. The theory is that MSN Live is pretending to be these legitimate users by using live.com or msn.com in the referral info they send when they visit the website, so they can try to determine if the website is showing the alternate content to users instead of search bots.
- dakellog, on 11/14/2007, -7/+6I've noticed this in my apache logs for a couple of months. Somehow, suddenly, MS was killing Google in search stats for my site about Firefox extensions. Unlikely. The IPs were from the right range for MS. I read the webmaster forums, but there are two reasons why no one reacted.
1) We expected this from Microsoft.
2) Live search is fairly insignificant for our traffic anyway. If google or yahoo did this, we'd all hear about this right away. - mvandemar, on 11/14/2007, -3/+2No, you are forgetting that MSN already owned up to doing it and claimed it was for other reasons.
- seattle98104, on 11/14/2007, -4/+3Well, MS Live invited me to join their stupid facebook group in exchange for an opportunity to win some ***** prize, so I wouldn't put it past them.
- Spaggie, on 11/14/2007, -4/+3This is the best thing ever to appear on Digg
Hell Yeah
Digg me down I dont care - crossmr, on 11/14/2007, -3/+2because spam is unsolicited commercial communication. While the younger generation might have abused the term to mean anything which comes in a bunch (e.g. spamming machine gun fire)
that's not actually what spam is. - zeejay, on 11/14/2007, -3/+2They also have a variety of word guessing-games on some MSN site, and when you fill in the answer, it generates a search on MSN. An utterly bogus way of inflating their stats.
- yetAnotherCroc, on 11/15/2007, -1/+0Of topic much?
Either way. If you cant get a nVidia card to work in the latest ubuntu then you seriously need help. Click on the restricted drivermanager in the systray, check the box labeled use this driver. click ok. Wait, reboot, enjoy fully working driver.
as far as broadcom goes... yes its bad. But thats because broadcom is a crappy hw vendor that locks down its code yet refuses to create drivers for the third (or possibly second) most popular computing platform. This forces distro creators to do a lot of guessing and trickery in order to get them to work anyway. I dont personally use broadcom but I hear Gutsy has solved most of the problems for people, though some still remain. - joe90210, on 11/14/2007, -5/+3this guy is a ***** idiot.
- crossmr, on 11/14/2007, -3/+1gah double post
- btswrkng, on 11/14/2007, -4/+2IS THERE NO END TO THEIR SLEAZE???
- rudy23, on 11/14/2007, -10/+8new low for MS. i remember when the debuted live.com everyone was like oh ms always ***** up competitors. but it didnt even make a dent in google or yahoo.
- radiofrequency, on 11/14/2007, -4/+2The only reason any of Microsoft's ***** gets popular is because Microsoft declares it is popular, a standard, and accuses you of being "out of the mainstream" if you disagree.
Why do people use Windows? Because Microsoft is quick to point out that "90% of users use Windows". Like that should matter at all? It's the same with word/office, IE, etc. Microsoft understands marketing its products is just like herding cattle.
In a few months, expect to hear Microsoft tote how many referrals live.com sends to websites and claim its traffic is "better than" some other search engine's. - inactive, on 11/14/2007, -6/+4I'm admin of a small gaming guild website. We constantly have 2-3 guest IPs trolling our public forums (which aren't interesting). All of those IPs belong to Microsoft according to http://ws.arin.net
I figured that their web spider was on the fritz... *shrug* - sexybobo, on 11/14/2007, -5/+2I always try to support people with disabilities. If i saw some one with Multiple Sclerosis selling something i needed i would buy it from them.
- aroedl, on 11/14/2007, -5/+2Where do I begin? Well, the "Internet" is a series of tubes...
Seriously: if you don't understand, what the article is about, you are not affected. - cmorwhat, on 11/14/2007, -6/+3AHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHahahahahah just kidding. i stay away from all things microsoft. whew. you guys are ***** stupid
- Bartboy919, on 11/14/2007, -6/+3Can I be quietly content if they did not do such a deed?
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