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Yahoo responds to Microsoft ultimatum: more money please

engadget.com — As expected, Yahoo has responded to Microsoft's 3 week ultimatum this morning. The bottom line is pretty clear in a letter signed by Jerry Yang (CEO) and Roy Bostock (chairman). In the "Dear Steve" response to Ballmer they state, "we will not allow you or anyone else to acquire the company for anything less than its full value." They go on to state

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  • maxthreepwood, on 04/07/2008, -29/+68BURIED. Engadget AOL spam. Direct link to the source (Yahoo! letter):

    http://digg.com/microsoft/Yahoo_tells_to_Microsoft ...

    http://yhoo.client.shareholder.com/press/releasede ...

    • Adys, on 04/07/2008, -7/+28It's the point of a blog to rely information. It's not like they're reblogging without sources or authorization of anyone...
      • OJdidntdoIT, on 04/07/2008, -3/+13Nah endgadget and gawker have pretty much found a loophole around plagiarism. They take the whole ***** article and paste it on there site and then put a little link (sometimes) of the source, or say thank you to so and so.

        I'm just mad i didn't think of it first.
        • cadmiumpaint, on 04/07/2008, -3/+8thats what 99.999999% of blogs(non personal) do.....without giving credit to the actual source.
          • HonoredMule, on 04/08/2008, -2/+3That doesn't mean they have any value or deserve page views.
      • fkr3, on 04/07/2008, -3/+8It's against Digg's terms and conditions to submit to sites that repurpose stories. Which is pretty much all Engadget does - reduce some other story to a few sentences and quotes and stuff ads all around it.
    • RandaII, on 04/07/2008, -7/+9I agree engadget is just blog spam. I don't understand why people love it so much. All it is is copy and paste to them not one original article exists on that site. personally I like to read from the original not some link with in a link with in a link.
      • cadmiumpaint, on 04/07/2008, -2/+5you could argue that sites like engadget are giant aggregators for smaller unknown tech sites. Also endgadget has a staff and originates alot of content as well. I still think its better than most of the rumor blog sites out there that just post every random rumor trying to get some attention.
        • fkr3, on 04/07/2008, -6/+4No, they're blog spam pure and simple. All they do is summarise stories and stick ads all around them, and they do it for digg. Without digg these blogs would have laughable traffic.
          • MikeSD34, on 04/07/2008, -1/+9You just described digg. These sites exist because people don't want to check 30,000 different sites to get the news, they want it concentrated in smaller locations. Digg does this through user submission, Engadget does it through editor submissions. Engadget does occasionally have original content, it's just that not everything is original.

            The submitter of this story should have linked to the original source in this case however.
          • fkr3, on 04/07/2008, -2/+2No. Digg's purpose is to reduce a big load of crap into a shortlist of popular stories. Engadget's purpose is to make you view their ads on your way to the real story. While the process is similiar on digg there's one major difference - when you click the title of a story you go to that story, digg doesn't force itself in as a substitute for the story.
          • robsmama, on 04/07/2008, -1/+4Except that Digg does the exact ***** thing as MikeSD34 described. It posts stories submitted by other users and surrounds them with ***** ads? So what the ***** are you complaining about???
          • madbadger, on 04/08/2008, -3/+2I disagree. Engadget writes opinions about news articles, they're not just copy and pasting a paragraph from the original source (that would be true blog spam). I find the opinions to be useful, insightful, and entertaining most of the time.
        • HonoredMule, on 04/08/2008, -1/+3If they are purely aggregators, that still doesn't explain why we are aggregating aggregators instead of original content. If you like using engadget to find original content, fine. If you want to share the same content on digg, then you post what engadget posts, not their post itself.

          If engadget isn't a valuable enough aggregator to earn my patronage directly (and it isn't), then it certainly doesn't deserve middle man traffic. That is, if nothing else, extremely inconsiderate of the actual producers of original content who get that many fewer visitors of their own, despite being undeniably the most important link in the chain.
    • wukillabee, on 04/07/2008, -6/+1good thing i have adblock running, also ill make sure to waste their bandwidth by hotlinking some images and reloading the page a couple of times..
    • FutureGuy, on 04/07/2008, -3/+1Did anyone else notice.
      The letter starts with "Dear Steve: "
      end with
      "Very truly yours," [we just need more money], that sums it up.
      • webtweakers, on 04/07/2008, -0/+3And to be absolutely positively unconditionally certain, let's restate and repeat once again - and I quote:

        "In conclusion, please allow us to restate our position, so there can be no confusion. We are open to all alternatives that maximize stockholder value. To be clear, this includes a transaction with Microsoft if it represents a price that fully recognizes the value of Yahoo! on a standalone basis and to Microsoft, is superior to our other alternatives, and provides certainty of value and certainty of closing. Lastly, we are steadfast in our commitment to choosing a path that maximizes stockholder value and we will not allow you or anyone else to acquire the company for anything less than its full value."

        *sigh*
  • darkchild82, on 04/07/2008, -26/+7Gawd, just get it over with! Dear Yahoo, stop asking for more money. Given the shape the economy is in right now, just take what M$ offered. No one else is going to give you this much!
    • burnstyle, on 04/07/2008, -4/+17sorry your paycheck is so small this week.... but given the shape the economy is in right now, just take what we offer. no one else is going to give you this much.
      • wageslaven, on 04/07/2008, -2/+2YHOO isnt worth what is being offered. At today's stock price ($27 (which is reflective of MSFT's offer)) their P/E is over 60.

        And, YHOO has been posting declining numbers for like 6 quarters running (until this last quarter, where they seemed to have cooked the books in order to justify a higher purchase price).
    • robsmama, on 04/07/2008, -3/+3No *****!! It's just as wagenslaven described... MS is offering way more than it's worth. They should just ***** accept and move on.
  • SuperJimmyJimbo, on 04/07/2008, -12/+4I remember...... I remember everything
    • andrewthrice, on 04/07/2008, -1/+1Heroes?
    • billlyboobs34, on 04/07/2008, -1/+3Umm I think that's Borne Ultimatum
      • SuperJimmyJimbo, on 04/07/2008, -0/+1ding ding! +10 points for mainstream movie reference
  • professorfurley, on 04/07/2008, -7/+14best response possible
    • jabberwolf, on 04/08/2008, -6/+1Unless you are a yahoo stockholder .. most of which want MS to buy out.
      The board members are not OWNERS, the stockholders are, so pretty retarded for saying it's the "best response"
  • digitallysick, on 04/07/2008, -16/+4Yahoo! take the money and run, adblock will kill your business model.
  • NathanCH, on 04/07/2008, -15/+5Two bad companies merging? That aught to be wonderful...
    • thunderer, on 04/07/2008, -2/+13Microsoft's done it before, shouldn't be that hard to do it again.
    • iamnobody8614, on 04/07/2008, -9/+9lol. Microsoft is a bad company? Having their product used by the vast majority of homes and businesses that use computers makes them a frickin awesome company. But I would agree that Yahoo! is probably going downhill.
      • JasonsLan, on 04/07/2008, -6/+7I wouldn't say they're an awesome company.. just because they are profitable does not make them awesome.. They're still a ripoff and a bunch of ***** that don't care about anything other than $$$
        • wageslaven, on 04/07/2008, -5/+4"A rip-off"?

          Windows is cheaper than any other OS (outside of gratis GNU/Linux).

          What is such a "rip-off"?
        • DavX, on 04/08/2008, -0/+4I've met quite a few Microsoft Engineers, and they are extremely intelligent people, I'd never think to call them *****, how many Microsoft employees have you met?
      • designerutah, on 04/07/2008, -3/+5Bad company doesn't refer to their profitability or dominance in a market. It refers to their crappy product and poor business manners. They're not alone in this!
  • digggthat, on 04/07/2008, -14/+3microhoo or yahoosoft?
  • Sambo320, on 04/07/2008, -4/+55Yahoo to Microsoft:
    Im not your friend, Guy!
    • SpectreFire, on 04/07/2008, -3/+29I'm not your guy, buddy!
      • execute85, on 04/07/2008, -3/+26I'm not your buddy, friend!
        • NyteStarNyne, on 04/07/2008, -6/+18I'm not your C-C-C-COMBO BREAKER!!!!!
        • skyshock1, on 04/07/2008, -5/+2I see what you did there.
        • fatTJ, on 04/08/2008, -0/+8IIIIIMMMMMM NOOTTTTTT YOUUURRRR GUYYYYY, BUDYYYYYYYY
    • MattNF, on 04/07/2008, -12/+4STFU.
    • psulion, on 04/07/2008, -11/+0I'm not your guy, buddy.
    • crazysamz, on 04/07/2008, -9/+2Shut the hell up you Canadians, you're supposed to be on strike (meaning not posting comments on digg either!).

      LOL jk, you have to have seen the southpark episode to know what I'm talking about, if not, don't digg me down canadians, I'm not being racist or anything.
    • diggboy101, on 04/08/2008, -0/+4the strike is over, didn't you get your coupon to bennigans and your bubble-gum?
  • davidamerland, on 04/07/2008, -3/+5They are so good at missing the point and the boat that a movie ought to be made about them!
  • nullcodes, on 04/07/2008, -18/+8This move could finally get rid of Microsoft. Seriously. What a stupid move. Now if they could draw Sony into this squabble that would be the icing on the ***** cake.

    We'll be left with Google and Apple. Two companies that actually try to innovate faster than others.
    • YuriSakazaki, on 04/07/2008, -1/+5If my only choices were Google and Apple, progress would come to a screeching halt. Why do people try to innovate? To beat their competition. With no competition, why bother making a product better when people will buy it anyway due to lack of anything else?
      • Claverhouse, on 04/07/2008, -1/+1Thus... Microsoft purchasing Yahoo against it's will and extinguishing it will increase competition.
    • kingmanic, on 04/07/2008, -7/+16Apple doesn't innovate much. They slap a good GUI's and a nice shell onto old tech and sell it at a marked up price. Their key innovations are good GUI's, interesting ways to shape plastic and the ability to convince people they will be cool if they buy apples gear.
    • banmaster, on 04/07/2008, -4/+5Apple innovate? Please! They do the same as google does, which is take over companies that make stuff they want, and blatantly copy everything else.
  • donkz, on 04/07/2008, -6/+15Next up: yahoo value dropped to value of ebaumsworld
    • corvairkid, on 04/08/2008, -0/+0They're down to a half full can of Coke and a piece of string?
  • ConfuciusOne, on 04/07/2008, -5/+14Dear Microsoft: Take the offer to the shareholders so we can get this over with already...
  • diggafrica, on 04/07/2008, -5/+11what does yahoo have that make them want to buy them ? If you spend 5 billion of that money, you can build a better yahoo with a good team.
    • blackinthmiddle, on 04/07/2008, -0/+12For starters, traffic.They're still the number one trafficked site. Now, of course some contend their numbers are inflated due to their ajax requests, but it's still a money maker in terms of ad revenue.
      • wageslaven, on 04/07/2008, -0/+2This is the 100% reason. They need some critical mass and economy of scale.

        This is 100% about eyeballs.
    • Claverhouse, on 04/07/2008, -2/+3Microsoft would possibly argue against this that they haven't got a good team.
    • NedSlider, on 04/07/2008, -1/+2Zimbra - an Exchange replacement for Linux. I bet MS would love to acquire and shelve that one.
    • SirBotchness, on 04/07/2008, -6/+6Funny thing is, before microsoft showed any interest in this, no one had anything good to say about Yahoo. Now that this is all going down, OH YAHOO IS AWESOME DON'T LET MS BUY THEM PLZ.
      • kelly, on 04/08/2008, -1/+1No, we're all saying... Microsoft sucks... lets not give them any more power to inflict sucky crapware upon the world.
    • wilfulwilly, on 04/08/2008, -1/+0It has the cloud computing infrastructure which Microsoft will leverage to offer Office Applications using the SAAS model.
    • talonstriker, on 04/08/2008, -0/+1The name recognition. MSN doesn't have the same vibe as Yahoo.
    • s0lidmetal, on 04/08/2008, -0/+1Userbase
  • smotpoker, on 04/07/2008, -17/+6Awesome. ***** MS trying to act like they have a godgiven right to any and everything they want. If yahoo can make more money by not selling out, who the ***** is MS to try to force them into it? MS has been directly competing with Yahoo for years! Yahoo would be stupid to sellout for less than their worth after all the trouble MS has put them through
    • blackinthmiddle, on 04/07/2008, -1/+7Well as much as I hate how Microsoft throws it's weight around, this is just a business move. Once you're a publicly traded company, hostlle takeovers are always a possibility.
      • smotpoker, on 04/07/2008, -4/+2That doesn't make it acceptable/moral in my opinion. Assuming they had a real choice, I suppose it is Yahoo's fault becoming a publicly traded company, but that doesn't excuse Microsoft's past and present anti-competitive behaviors if you ask me.
        Legality != morality. Yahoo is pretty bad too, IMO, which is all the more reason they shouldn't be joining assets MS to become more powerful and more anti-competitive/ruthless

        DISCLAIMER: I know little about economics/business nor do I pretend to. I intentionally avoid learning a lot about standard capitalist business models because they seem to consist of practices that are so aggressive that they are harmful both to their own workers and other businesses and *their* workers.
        This is just my gut reaction when I see *anyone* being forced to give up something they worked hard on against their will
        • schnikies79, on 04/07/2008, -0/+1A company doesn't have to go public. If it stayed a private company, it could have avoided this.

          By choosing to go public, you choose to and agree to possibilities such as this and you also give up power. In exchange, you get public capital. It's the choice of the company.
          • smotpoker, on 04/08/2008, -0/+1By "if they had a choice" I meant "if they weren't in peril with little/no other options to stay business" (if that wasn't clear).
        • RevoFM, on 04/08/2008, -0/+3Nothing is moral in the business world.
          • smotpoker, on 04/08/2008, -0/+1Hence my continued protests and advocation of reform.
            We cannot claim to be a moral society, or claim moral superiority and fair government, while continuing to defend/propagate immoral actions without remorse or attempts to change
          • RevoFM, on 04/08/2008, -0/+1I just realized your flag is upside down.
  • delmar14, on 04/07/2008, -10/+1Ballmer's betting the farm on Yahoo, so if you own Microsoft stock, now would be a good time to find a new farm.
  • web2pointYo, on 04/07/2008, -7/+1ok, so I guess with that Alexa-Rod story and now this at the top of the Digg front page, I can just go back to my MSNBC home page for stuff now huh?
  • neil1492, on 04/07/2008, -3/+10Microsoft will get Yahoo no matter what. They seem determined for some reason...which I can't figure out. I guess my business education has failed me.
    • sporad1c, on 04/07/2008, -3/+2You beat me 2 it.
    • wageslaven, on 04/07/2008, -1/+5I agree. I think they're overpaying. They dont need YHOO (IMHO) - Yahoo is going to continue to fail on its own if MS doesnt buy them.

      The only one woh can honestly compete with GOOG at this point is MSFT anyway.
  • LeePeyton, on 04/07/2008, -14/+2Steve is killing Microsoft.
    • illt, on 04/08/2008, -0/+1more like yang is killing yahoo....again
  • sporad1c, on 04/07/2008, -10/+1i give Yahoo kudos, but unfortunately I see Microsoft getting what they want in the end. http://www.kmfms.com/ Microsoft sucks.
  • nullcodes, on 04/07/2008, -12/+9I thought microsoft already had yahoos?
  • rmacnguyen, on 04/07/2008, -3/+5The internet makes lots of money. Give them some of that internet money.
    • RevoFM, on 04/08/2008, -0/+2They have over one million theoretical dollars to spend.
  • dho331, on 04/07/2008, -3/+4can this end already, take your money and GTFO, TY...
  • eminiguy, on 04/07/2008, -11/+4Kill them, Yahoo! Kill them!!
  • agimat, on 04/07/2008, -4/+11MS should drop their offer and watch Yahoo sink even deeper. They'll be begging MS to take them soon enough.
  • japface, on 04/07/2008, -7/+3developers developers developers developers!
  • eminiguy, on 04/07/2008, -8/+2With or without Yahoo, MS is just a gigantic macrosuck...
  • mrblue182, on 04/07/2008, -1/+23We want more money. Give us some of your internet money.
  • cohortq, on 04/07/2008, -1/+2How much will it take to bury Zimbra under Microsoft Exchange?
  • feonixphlame, on 04/07/2008, -6/+1and to think that yahoo is actually taking this seriously. unbelievable...
  • Future2, on 04/07/2008, -1/+5The NYT had a couple of articles on Yahoo today. This one is the more interesting of the two and discusses one of the reasons Yahoo thinks they are worth more than what MSFT offered:
    http://www.nytimes.com/2008/04/07/business/media/0 ...

    The other article is basically a more descriptive version of this blog post:
    http://www.nytimes.com/2008/04/07/technology/07cnd ...
  • YodaJones, on 04/07/2008, -7/+8Please Microsoft, use TONS of money on this purchase. If possible, spend more than you have.
  • simonbp, on 04/07/2008, -4/+7This deal freaks me out. Yahoo! owns Zimbra, which is the best 'OSS' exchange replacement out there. It would be tragic if Microsoft acquired this company and shuttered it in favor of Exchange. Yahoo! itself isn't that interesting, but the other bits that they own are. Flickr is another example of something that Yahoo! owns that Microsoft would ruin.
    • NedSlider, on 04/07/2008, -0/+3Exactly. It's things like the opportunity to bury Zimbra that make the deal so much sweeter in Microsoft's eyes. But they still don't get it - a million open source developers can develop another GPL'd Zimbra. GLP has all the pieces, they just need the glue to put them together into a coherent rolled out solution. But this really highlights exactly why licensing matters, and why YPL was the wrong license for Zimbra.
    • marx2k, on 04/07/2008, -0/+0bingo
    • billlyboobs34, on 04/07/2008, -2/+3Have you seen Microsoft's developmental stuff on pictures... Microsoft could revolutionize flickr!
    • RevoFM, on 04/08/2008, -2/+1But.. But.. I'll be able to use my Live account instead of my Yahoo! account...
    • Atomic1fire, on 04/08/2008, -0/+1Open source means that somebody can just fork one of the older non micro versions and beat exchange by making another zimbra
      If Exchange ends up getting Zimbra code (I would be surprise if that happens)
      and microsoft actually helps the project I think everyone could be happy
      (a Sun type job perhaps..OO.O/SO)
  • haroonie, on 04/07/2008, -3/+5i'd love to see google just swoop in and make an offer.
    • jabberwolf, on 04/08/2008, -1/+4They cant. THAT would be monopolistic. Even if MS bought yahoo, then they might be tied with Google.
      Plus google has fantasy money (stocks) , not real liquid cash like Microsoft.
  • dho331, on 04/07/2008, -9/+0Yahoo! Sucks, Live Sucks, Google is beast!!! (also all other search engines suck, especially Lycos, which is the suckest of the suck)
    • mithrasinvictus, on 04/07/2008, -0/+1competition is good.
    • thear, on 04/07/2008, -0/+3Where does your mother fit in, between Live and Google?
  • Malevolant, on 04/07/2008, -1/+3Yahoo tried to find another company to merge and/or work with but nothing panned out. Putting out this press release will do nothing, as far as economics go. MS dropped their per stock buyout price, after this statement was released and says they will go to the board if yahoo doesn't accept. Yahoo is in a corner here with no bargaining power as their shareholders want th buyout which was at a 62% premium before the drop to $29. Yahoo should just agree because, if not, the takeover will do just that.
  • wageslaven, on 04/07/2008, -4/+6Microsoft has already offered them *more* than their value.

    At $27.70 (value of YHOO today) their P/E is 60.30(!).

    Thats more than GOOG (who's price is insanely overvalued, with a P/E of 35.40 and stock @ $476)
  • jerwin, on 04/07/2008, -4/+6I'm liking Yacrosoft.

    Software that makes you gag.
  • skinturtle, on 04/07/2008, -8/+6More Microsoft bullying.

    When the asteroid hits..I hope it lands in Redmond
    • jabberwolf, on 04/08/2008, -2/+1No bullying dumbass, yahoo is has lost alot of money lately. Stockholder WANT MS to buy, the board members are just trying to sqeeze out more cash.
      • skinturtle, on 04/08/2008, -0/+2Whatever..but I still hope when the asteroid crashes..it hits Redmond
  • chesscat, on 04/07/2008, -5/+5Watch out, Ballmer is hungry and he's got a big belly. "Get in my belly, Yahoo."
  • whiteguysamurai, on 04/07/2008, -6/+7***** with Microsoft is not the smartest of moves.
    Yahoo will regret this.
    • anonydigg, on 04/08/2008, -1/+2Google, Sun, IBM and HP regularly ***** with Microsoft(despite buying their software). Nothing happened to them. Actually IMO Yahoo can increase their brand value by being hostile to MS. They have loyal users. In my experience, people who are using Yahoo Messenger and Yahoo Mail don't like MSN and Hotmail a whole lot and visa versa. A merger would turn away a lot of people. (Probably to google)
    • whiteguysamurai, on 04/08/2008, -0/+1I disagree, most of the people who use Yahoo products use them only because they come pre-installed on OEM machines.
      They aren't aware, or concerned with the Microsoft hate so common with internet hipsters.
      To them, Microsoft = Personal computer.
      It would be moronic of yahoo to hold out, because as a result they (Microsoft) may lose interest, and the company will go the way of altavista.
  • LukasSmith, on 04/08/2008, -3/+3I was reading that Microsoft intends a hostile takeover if Yahoo doesn't comply by April 26. Considering everyone that would be interested in yahoo seems to find themselves unable to purchase because of monopoly issues Microsoft will no doubt get their way. This will get nasssty but in the end Microsoft will make Yahoo kneel down like a trollop.
  • kalel90, on 04/08/2008, -3/+3Microsoft is gonna pwn Yahoo and that guy is gonna look like a jackass when he eats his words.
  • Wang, on 04/08/2008, -2/+1It's just a shame...I don't think the board of directors is acting on behalf of it's shareholders and we all know that they will get acquired by MS eventually. It's just that now it will be more painful and yahoo probably won't get so much money. Not a smart move from yahoo...
  • Super6, on 04/08/2008, -1/+1I dislike Microsoft's business tactics however I think that yahoo is just retarded. How much do they think they're worth? Microsoft will just do a hostile takeover with the stockholders and be done with it
  • zeebo, on 04/08/2008, -0/+3Microsoft needs Yahoo far more than Yahoo needs Microsoft. Not to mention that if Microsoft does purchase Yahoo, the Yahoo employees will get the rather unenjoyable job of reimplimenting their whole BSD based stack on top of Windows, and optimizing it for Internet Explorer. At which point what really would be left of Yahoo, their domain name?

    I understand why Microsoft want them, they've always defeated companies they view as their opposition by buying the second or third place companies and then tying that functionality to their platform, but I'm really not sure that strategy will work this time around. It certainly doesn't seem to have worked for them with the last similar purchase that I can think of, Hotmail.
    • drzeus, on 04/10/2008, -0/+1"the Yahoo employees will get the rather unenjoyable job of reimplimenting their whole BSD based stack on top of Windows, and optimizing it for Internet Explorer. At which point what really would be left of Yahoo, their domain name?"

      The employees certainly wouldn't be left. Almost no one will be willing to stay if Microsoft wants to do that. A sudden change in philosophy from open source and web standards to Microsoft-centric requirements would be the last straw for most developers at Yahoo!.
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  • dbldwn, on 04/08/2008, -3/+3I like seeing Ballmer get bitchslapped like that. I can't wait for his response. That will say more than anything about how desperate Microsoft is to acquire Yahoo right now while they see Yahoo as significantly undervalued -- even though they'd like Yahoo's shareholders to think they're offering a premium.
    • brandf, on 04/08/2008, -1/+2By what measure do you think the price MS offered ISN'T a premium? Go ahead, this better be good.
  • mikewill7seven, on 04/08/2008, -1/+3Prepare to be assimilated!!! Resistance is futile.
  • CompactHayman, on 04/08/2008, -1/+5good for them. I hope Yahoo holds out.
  • Atomic1fire, on 04/08/2008, -1/+2As long as something happens


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