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- totorototoro, on 10/10/2007, -10/+761MS fans will point to this as proof that XP is a good, solid OS that has stood the test of time.
MS detractors will point to this as proof of the failure of Vista to impress users enough to change.
They are both right :p - i208khonsu, on 10/10/2007, -20/+183After Vista receives a couple service packs we will be saying the same things about Vista as we are saying about XP now. As when XP first launched we were hearing the same things about it in regards to Win'98.
- mojaam, on 10/10/2007, -11/+159I think more people actually appreciate XP since Vista's arrival. It's such a hassle because every manufacturer is loading up Vista, feels like Microsoft are shoving it down our throats.
- alphacoder, on 10/10/2007, -16/+155I think MS made a significant improvement in their OS when they came out with Windows 2000 and in terms of the desktop, again with Windows XP. After having used Vista for a couple months everyday, I'm not sure I care for it too much.
Just wish they'd fork XP as opposed to forking the consumer with Vista. - trunkster, on 10/10/2007, -10/+132Vista prefetches the programs you use the most based on the amount of RAM you have available. It's not slowing down your computer.
- briansearles, on 10/10/2007, -16/+85People are afraid of Vista because all they hear is negativity. It's not all golden rainbows, but Vista aint anywhere near as bad as the naysayers want you to think.
- LordSlashstab55, on 10/10/2007, -6/+74I'll go a step further and say I don't like it enough to pirate it
- RadiantBeing, on 10/10/2007, -3/+61A lot of computer novices come to me for buying advice and the question I hear a lot these days is "Where can I buy a new computer that has Windows XP?"
- youdlike2know, on 10/10/2007, -7/+59if it ain't broke, don't fix it.. especially if you're trying to fix it with vista
- tehpwnrate, on 10/10/2007, -5/+55I use XP because it's a great OS for me, and I see no reason to upgrade. Solid is exactly the word for it, alphacoder. Aero is pretty and all, but why spend money on a new OS when I have my Win XP Pro disc and it works great?
- narc, on 10/10/2007, -16/+62Who uses Windows product keys anyway ?
- cal0140, on 10/10/2007, -2/+42You do realize that unused RAM is wasted, right? In what I've noticed, idle Vista is about double where XP stood memory-wise, and if you don't have it, it won't use it! If an application requests access to memory, Vista releases it just like any other OS.
If your memory usage is that high, you have an unrelated problem or you have a huge amount of RAM in your system and Vista is making the most of it. - lowbot, on 10/10/2007, -5/+43You remnd me of those paper mcse's i used to work this. "Hey man, exchange is using all the ram! WTF!!!?'
You PAID for all that RAM. Now you get to use it. Exchange puts as much as the information store in there as it can. You want to use that ram right? Vista's prefetching works in the same way. Instead of having ram sitting around it uses it, then dumps it when an application is loaded. You cannot even detect the delay.
Secondly, theres been a ***** of vista testing and guess what? In real world usage, it uses the same around of ram as xp. On old machines with low ram it uses very few resources.
Lastly, XP is solid now? What? Its been solid since SP1 at least. Win2000 has been solid since sp2. Theyre both extremely solid if device drivers write stable drivers. A non-driver full crash is extremely rare since win98.
Oh well, please continue with the vista bashing. in 4 years you'll be posting "WTF vista is so good now, I dont want to move to MS's crappy Windows2011!"
And so it goes. - TnTBass, on 10/10/2007, -0/+37I really couldn't have put that any better myself. Vista, while not ******* is by no means spectacular.
- parkermauney, on 10/10/2007, -3/+4055274-643-7213323-23578 For LIFE!
- jdaniel284, on 10/10/2007, -11/+48After the support date for Windows XP ends, the next time you reboot your system you will be treated with a large bitmap of the Three Red Rings of Death.
- Brianguy2000, on 10/10/2007, -4/+40Win 3.1 ftw!
- MasterThief117, on 10/10/2007, -17/+52I have tried Vista on my desktop, and let me just say, I am not to happy with it. Its a little muh and somewhat confusing. Also, compatibility issues are really annoying.
I've gotten to the point where if I ever get a new system, I will wipe the OEM version of Vista and put XP Pro on it. - mirzar, on 10/10/2007, -8/+42say watever about MS, but XP has been a solid stable OS for the past 4 years for me
plus i can get all the vista features in XP with a little ttweaking - TheNik, on 10/10/2007, -3/+36While I love XP, hopefully Vista will improve tremendously upon release of SP1.
- baalzebub, on 10/10/2007, -13/+46i am sure microsoft will find a way to kill XP when they feel the need to sell more Vista licenses, probably plant a bug in an XP update that slowly trashes the system...
- Jugalator, on 10/10/2007, -0/+32XP wasn't very solid, but Service Pack 2 made it decent.
I don't think Vista is bad either, but true... With XP SP2 being "good enough" security-wise with a few free third party security tools like antivirus, Vista's major new features become undercut. - moofer, on 10/10/2007, -9/+39Which one of the 14 different versions did you install? It's very possible he didn't install the same watered down version you did, he's got different hardware/drivers running, or he's running the 64 bit version. Get yourself sorted or shut your mouth.
- trenskow, on 10/10/2007, -2/+32As of the current situation, I would choose XP over Vista, when it comes to Windows. But I don't know how I'll feel in a couple of years. XP is pure stability, even though it lacks some core modern OS features.
But then again, does my oppinion count, being an Apple fanboy ? :) - Ramble, on 10/10/2007, -2/+30Why not use 800mb? It scales as you change RAM size.
- Dabellah, on 10/10/2007, -4/+29.
- orangeparty, on 10/10/2007, -35/+58I use XP but I love how Linux fanboys flame Vista for it's high resource requirements when KDE eats almost 400MBs of RAM while doing absolutely nothing (and GNOME eats even more). My Windows currently takes 216MB with Firefox, Winamp and uTorrent running.
Oh yeah, digg me down like I care. - Dabellah, on 10/10/2007, -8/+30You, sir, are an idiot. ME was a branch off of 98's codebase with slight upgrades and modifications which crippled the OS. Vista was in production for like 6 - 7 years before its release, making it a focused OS and not some knock-off like ME was. The problems with Vista are primarily those of the software and hardware manufacturers out there who refuse to properly support their products in Vista (at least this is true the majority of the time, though Vista DOES have its own issues). This in turn makes Microsoft look like the bad guy. A good example: I have a Linksys WMP54G wireless PCI adapter, strictly states on the box as "Vista Compatible" and links you to Linksys' website. You go there, update using the drivers they provide, and it doesn't work. Why? Not because of Vista, but because of Linksys dropping the ball on their most widely purchased PCI adapter for wireless. How did I get the thing working? I used Windows Update. By running Windows Update with this adapter, you get an update directly from Microsoft which fixes all issues and problems... Comparing Vista to ME is blasphemy as they are very different in their production schemes.
- Noctem, on 10/10/2007, -1/+23The number of legitimate users (current and future) FAR outweigh the number of illegal copies in use.
- dunezone, on 10/10/2007, -8/+29Its like New Coke back in the 80s. They released new coke, it bombed because it sucked, then when they returned classic coke and sales went through the roof. They released vista and it wasn't anything special then all the manufactures brought back XP and XP sales went back up. I personally downgraded two notebooks this week from Vista to XP.
- azbmr, on 10/10/2007, -3/+23Vista idles at roughly 50% RAM usage due to pre-fetching your most used executables. This makes loading time of most programs WAY faster. What were you doing with that free RAM anyway? :P
- 15charmaxwtf, on 10/10/2007, -1/+21huh?
- Scruffydan, on 10/10/2007, -9/+28unless you want to plat games or reliably read and write doc files...
- killerofkiller, on 10/10/2007, -5/+24*deletes a desktop shortcut*
"Do you want to delete this shortcut?" Yes.. deleted
dont believe the FUD - billessig, on 10/10/2007, -7/+25Well put.
- GliTCH82, on 10/10/2007, -2/+19I can't believe no one else pointed out that the same thing was generally said about Windows 2000. The only difference is, XP to Vista is larger leap than 2000 to XP, and not only will it take longer for people to have the necessary hardware to realize the benefits of Vista, but it's also going to take time for Microsoft to iron out the few remaining issues with Vista. But I know computers, I have followed Windows since 2.0 and I predict that sooner or later, Vista will dominate the market.
- daviddiaz, on 10/10/2007, -4/+21actually I'm using ubuntu 7.04 right now on an older machine and it's using 156 MB for GNOME, Firefox and Gaim. 100MB are being used as cache.
It also runs much more smoothly than windows ever did on this machine. - KMartSheriff, on 10/10/2007, -0/+17Very solid point. I disagree with your last few statements, but overall you cover most of the bases and state excellent examples for each.
- Dhalgren, on 10/10/2007, -2/+18Your mom uses Windows...
- AshTR, on 10/10/2007, -3/+18Except for DirectX 10. Which kinda sucks at the moment though anyway.
- Elxx, on 10/10/2007, -11/+26Sorry, but I just can't agree with that. Going from 98 to XP was AMAZING for me - it was much more stable, the multi-user features were extremely useful, everything just worked so much better. Going from XP to Vista...with no games to make DX10 worthwhile, and the broken security model that forces you to confirm 3 security dialogs before deleting a desktop shortcut, I wonder why anyone would want to.
Don't get me wrong, I have a desktop running XP and a new laptop with Vista preinstalled...but I see no reason to take the (albeit tiny) performance hit on the desktop just to get a shinier OS with an aggravating security policy that I'm going to disable within the first 2 minutes anyways. Add that to the risk of my old hardware/software not working properly, and it's just not worth it at all - yet. - markdr123, on 10/10/2007, -1/+16Because they have an obligation to continue providing support for XP until 2010 (or a similar year, I can't quite remember which.)
- RonDutt, on 10/10/2007, -8/+22Umm I don't know what the hell your KDE and Gnome are doing but mine barely uses 12MB for Gnome and around 40MB for KDE...
- Protoss, on 10/10/2007, -4/+18Oh damn, I love that play on words.
- Elranzer, on 10/10/2007, -0/+14Probably the same reason they released SP4 for Windows 2000. Abandoning customers is a bad thing for business.
- woodcoxcb, on 10/10/2007, -5/+18exactly. that's what makes me laugh about this article, how can they run out of keys when most of the pirate community is using the same key?
- saucercrab, on 10/10/2007, -11/+24oh oh! Is there any more room on the anti-Vista bandwagon? If you don't have the horsepower to run Vista, don't put the blame on the OS... build/buy a better pc. I feel like I'm the only person in this country that loves the upgrade! Yes, I was frustrated at first because some things--especially the networking--have been overhauled, but after about a week, I was comfortable with the much better looking, rock solid interface. That's right, I said rock solid. XP used to crash and lock up all of the time on my pc (and it still does on my laptop) but Vista hasn't crashed ONCE since I installed it almost 6 months ago. However, I will agree that the "user account control" MS integrated into the system as some sort of safety measure for operators afflicted with an extra chromosome can be very annoying, but it can easily be disabled in the control panel, never to bother you again.
- zeptobyte, on 10/10/2007, -5/+18I didn't know about the prefetching. That's pretty awesome, especially if you only use the same couple programs a large portion of the time.
- therightclique, on 10/10/2007, -2/+14that's because you're an idiot. Microsoft ALWAYS has supported their old operating systems years after they released a new one.
- sleepwalkers, on 10/10/2007, -4/+16Wow, you're really going out on a limb with that prediction, aren't you?
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