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- inactive, on 10/10/2007, -86/+288Well I just recently was forced to buy Vista above XP, and you know what? It doesn't run 2 of my favorite programs, but I quickly found replacements, and I like it. It ran 98% of all my programs, and I could turn off that security feature too. All the negative talk about Vista makes me wonder if what I've been hearing was just baseless, overdrawn hate.
- thecosmicpope, on 10/10/2007, -42/+181Its just a typical anti-Microsoft article. And a typical article which would end up on Digg. All of my applications work, all of my hardware works, performance has been improved, and because I'm not an idiot I was able to operate the ticky boxes which disable the security features such as UAC. Unfortunately it seems that idiots run the world and the tick box is too much for people to master. Whilst your parents may be scared of installing software, this guy seems terrified of a tick box.
If his PC crashes every time he runs more than 3 applications I suggests he takes more care of his PC. Right now I am running Firefox, MSN Messenger, winamp, 3D Studio Max 8, Adobe Photoshop CS3 and a tonne of background applications and not only is nothing crashing, everything is running fast and smooth, a lot more smooth than XP ever did thanks to the beautiful memory management Vista has.
Buried article due to the anti-Microsoft rubbish which as become the "cool" thing to do in the community. - LiamIsOnFire, on 10/10/2007, -13/+124"You’ve terrified folks like my poor dad. He is afraid to install new software for any reason. He mumbles things like “Computers – you just can’t trust them.” He’s been conditioned that if he tries to install a new program or download an update – even if he does it correctly - something is likely to go awry for no explicable reason. That’s why he sticks with IE 5 and Office 97, cause he sees upgrading as too risky to gamble with."
This entire paragraph is unfortunately true, people like my mum are afraid to do anything other than the norm on their computers, she refuses to upgrade/download any software. - thailand1972, on 10/10/2007, -6/+61I take it people here realise the author of this article doesn't actually own Vista, but his "Oww!" is based on "anecdotes from friends" and reading online reviews. You choose your sources, you form your opinion. Go figure.
"I realized how much grief you’d put me through: the constant crashes whenever I tried to run more than three applications, the endless required reboots, and the vicious malware attacks that I wasted many precious hours wrangling with"
Constant reboots? Not since Windows 98. Can't run more than 3 applications? Time to upgrade your 64Mb of RAM. Malware attacks? Stop looking at Russian porn sites.
An idiot like this shouldn't even be owning a computer - he's just a danger to himself. - elitexero, on 10/10/2007, -31/+86"You know the problem with Vista is its still built on the old Windows kernel. Think of the kernel like a block of styrofoam. You can only do so much before that block of styrofoam will start to crumble."
You tool. It's a whole new kernel. That's why halfway into the 'longhorn' process, they scrapped it and started fresh. Hence why Vista took at least an additional year to see a release date.
Besides, XP sucked hardcore until at least SP2... give vista a little bit and wait for SP1, and we'll see. It's better than all these morons recommending linux and osx to their family and friends, only for them to realize that hardly anything is compatible, or everything needs to be done manually. - cerealman, on 10/10/2007, -3/+45Both of those work fine on Vista. That being said, I much prefer uTorrent myself.
- theodorecarras, on 10/10/2007, -8/+47I'm sure his dad would find Linux easier, though. Typing sudo apt-get install into a command line is definitely a good system for people who are afraid of computers.
- Smills, on 10/10/2007, -4/+41"A Windows worshipping gamer acquaintance told me it took literally seven or eight hours of churning to install his Vista Home Premium (sic) upgrade. After staying up all night, he found none of his device drivers worked."
WTF? What computer must he have been running that on?? It took me just under 15 minutes for the complete install and I am running a friggin miserably slow AMD X2 3800+. - inactive, on 10/10/2007, -18/+54And stupid unbelievably biased crap like this article only serve to further the FUD that your dad believes in the first place.
- MioTheGreat, on 10/10/2007, -7/+42Windows Update doesn't use IE7, it's a a control panel window.
Aero does not use 30% on each of your cores. There's no possible way. dwm.exe idles at 0%, and spikes to at most 2% on every computer I've ever seen it on. Even if you blast the dwmapi will hundreds of calls per second with the dwm set color API, it'll still stay in the single percentages.
In short, you're full of *****, and probably never actually used Vista. - stockjones, on 10/10/2007, -3/+37Whether something takes over on the desktop as an alternative to windows who knows. All I know is that people have been predicting the demise of windows for the last 20+ years so I guess you all like repeating yourselves. Apple could do it but they are too stupid to license the operating system
- rieuwa, on 10/10/2007, -3/+35just out of curiosity... which programs did you not get to run?
- Ramble, on 10/10/2007, -1/+33I advise you turn UAC back on. Yes it's annoying but you can dim the annoyment somewhat by turning off the secure desktop or auto elevating without prompting.
- MioTheGreat, on 10/10/2007, -3/+33After you're done installing software and get your system settled, UAC doesn't bother you very often. Turning it off just leaves you vulnerable to undiscovered exploits, can cause issues with folder permissions, and just causes all sorts of problems with improperly tested software.
- MioTheGreat, on 10/10/2007, -3/+32Vista is built on Windows Server 2003 SP1. It's not built on XP (Of course, Server '03 forked off from XP back in 2001....) It's all Windows, but trying to deny the myriad of security improvements, and the fact that we haven't seen any major exploits, (or even any exploits really. I haven't heard a peep), is futile.
- ussoldier, on 10/10/2007, -16/+43I've been using Vista x64 Ultimate on 3 machines for about a year now, and I like it better than XP, Mac OS, or KDE. I've run into none of these problems the guy in the article whines about. No viruses yet at all, DRM is a non issue... you can still play any mp3 or movie in the world you want (I use videolan for vista), the little dialog box every things is so annoying really isn't, and it can handle as many open apps as you can throw at it. And with 3gigs of RAM on each machine, I throw a lot at it.
On the down side, you won't find drivers for all your gadgets add ons or spcecialized cards, so you have to hold on to an XP machine for that, you will need it to use them. I don't recommend you run it on a laptop, which has all kind of funky devices and usually less processor horsepower. Like the other OSs, its still does crash once in a while. USB implementation seems flakey on some motherboards, so on 2 of my 3 machines I have to disable it, while it works flawlessly on the 3rd. It takes a lot of RAM... I gig minimum, but I recommend for a poweruser at least 2gb to be happy as a bug in a rug.
It does a *lot* of harddrive access, with superfetch, and mainly, the Windows Defender Virus scan. Be sure to disable the Virus scan to manual, because it really kicks in when you don't want it to. Also, if you open tons of webbrowser windows like I do, with tons of processor eating flash video youtube windows, you want at least a dual core processor. I run single core 3800+ and I can saturate the processor, with tons of youtube video windows open in Firefox or IE. This is a bug in flash though, consuming processor cycles even when you aren't watching a video just for having the page open.
The sweetest thing about Vista, that is the #1 compelling reason it crushes all the other OS's, is Sleep mode. When I'm done using the machine, I can hit the power button or sleep function, it saves an image of RAM to harddrive, and goes to sleep, keeping the RAM refresh going. Ah, peace and quiet. When I come back, I can hit the spacebar, and the computer pops right up, enter my password, and boom i seconds I am back on the computer as if I never shut it down. If, in between now and last time, the power had went out, it will load the saved image from disks, like the old hibernate mode, and boom, I am again right back where I was when I put the computer to sleep, with all my apps and everything still open right where I left them. And its super reliable.
Sleep mode alone makes all the other flaws bearable. Sure, XP does it too, but its a bit more reliable under Vista. There is still some polishing needed to be done on Vista (like file copies seem to take longer), and third party manufacturers need to get on the bandwagon and write Vista drivers for all their hardware, but if you've got more than one single box, its worth trying out. I like Aero better than the classic XP interface. - inactive, on 10/10/2007, -3/+30apple has done the same as the UAC for ages, yet you haven't complained about them!!!
- thecosmicpope, on 10/10/2007, -4/+30So *all* applications work in Ubuntu and Mac OS with no work or replacements required?
- inactive, on 10/10/2007, -5/+27A simple google search would have told you any issues that updating to SP2 on that existing PC (one that SHOULD have been upgraded to SP2 3 damn years ago).
But no, its Microsoft's fault that the computer's motherboard has a CPU issue. Odd isn't it that you immediately blame MS for something you should have known about first, and that you couldn't even perform a simply bios update which would probably have fixed the 'motherboard's CPU related issue". But oh no, its always the big bad M$. Grow some balls, then take some of the responsibility of the screwups yourself! - Rijnzael, on 10/10/2007, -10/+31You'd think that this guy doesn't know how to disable UAC. It's really not that hard. Control Panel -> User Accounts -> Turn UAC off. I haven't been putting up with UAC since I first got Vista.
- bytecolor, on 10/10/2007, -9/+29Well hell, you just made me realize Microsoft did actually 'invent' something... FUD.
- meteorash, on 10/10/2007, -4/+23"But as a veteran power user" - Going by your rants and struggles, I seriously doubt that.
- inactive, on 10/10/2007, -4/+22Yet another jerk who has bought into the FUD without actually trying Vista or at the very least, not even bothered to google why the RAM usage appears so high.
30 minutes? Screw me sideways thats some STRONG kool-aid you're drinking! - inactive, on 10/10/2007, -6/+24Um, it can't. Stop buying into all the FUD that people (who generally have not even used Vista, but have heard from a friend of a friend of a blogger of an apple fanboy etc) are spreading with very little basis in fact.
- lolhax, on 10/10/2007, -1/+18Check the batteries in your sarcasm detector
- Smills, on 10/10/2007, -4/+21@ Hayaemsay
I disagree, I much prefer both Ubuntu and Vista to OSX. They tend to do something useful other than just looking pretty. For example, Vista runs these things called games, and just about any other application you can throw at it, and not only that, it looks nice whilst doing it. Ubuntu is incredibly stable and eats up almost no resources at all, thus I can use it to host game servers and on my old machines. What on earth makes OSX special? And don't say user friendlyness, sure it is easy to use, but in my opinion it is not any easier than windows. And yes, since everyone on digg seems to want to marry apple, I do realise I am going to be dugg down hard. Have fun. - inactive, on 10/10/2007, -7/+22How about you give it a try yourself for once, rather than reading about all of the problems and incompatibilities from people who have a vested interest in discrediting it.
Who knows, you might still feel the same, but I doubt thats going to be the case.
I'm so sick to death of hearing about people who have never even used Vista bagging it and running down a long list of factually inaccurate problems they saw on a linux blog or heard from their resident apple-creep. - uselessexpert, on 10/10/2007, -14/+28I still think Vista is a good OS, granted to many experience users it seems like a low down version of OS X.
Like everything else from Microsoft, Vista will go through its few (or many) bumps on the road, and we will all adapt, and we will be better for it with a better OS.
Now, for those that want to switch to Ubuntu or OS X, that's fine. Just stop the ***** bitching and get it over with, and make the switch. - thecosmicpope, on 10/10/2007, -5/+19Every OS has short comings. Are you honestly suggesting that your Grandma cant do all this in XP, but she could operating MacOS and installing everything she wants on that, or operating Ubuntu and install everything she wants on that? If your suggesting that then "lmao". If your not suggesting that then all you do is backup that Vista is the best option out there, shortcomings are not.
Newsflash: No OS is perfect. however judging Vista on the fact it has UAC which isn't a lovely thing for people like us is pathetic. - CatalystGhost, on 10/10/2007, -7/+21I gave my parents Ubuntu, and they're the same way about computers. I installed everything they needed, and they haven't had a single problem with it. Their hardest thing to understand or deal with has been "Where's the Start menu?"
- thecosmicpope, on 10/10/2007, -4/+18Thats a matter of opinion, not fact. By reading Diggs front page stories you'd be forgiven for thinking that Ubuntu was not only the single greatest OS ever created, it was also the second, third and fourth coming of Jesus.
- vvaduva, on 10/10/2007, -8/+21The Vista haters really need to get a life...the guy who wrote this is either mentally challenged or needs some higher education. Digg need to add a "Bury as crap" option...
- thecosmicpope, on 10/10/2007, -4/+17Here here.
The RAM usage is high due to its fantastic memory management. However people like this only seem to spot that the RAM usage is high and therefore Vista is hogging it. Knowing what you are talking about in discussions like this would be an advantage Alex Ferny.
For the record, dwm.exe is currently idling at 0% and spiking at 3% with a memory usage of 17Mb. - meatmcguffin, on 10/10/2007, -2/+15They can't. They won't be able to keep the price lower than Vista while selling enough copies to make up for lost hardware sales.
- AlexFerny, on 10/10/2007, -4/+16And lets not forget than the iPod is Apple's answer to Creative and other products ...
iPod is only successfull due to iTunes and alot of marketing (to stupid people who like DRM) - GMorgan, on 10/10/2007, -7/+19That's the few things we are certain isn't FUD. There can be no mitigating the existence and scope of their DRM system (and the fact it can remotely disable hardware) nor the reality that while UAC is necessary (I continue to use it to try and encourage good practice in developers) it is possibly the worse system privilege system ever created as far as the user is concerned. The Linux system (sudo/gksudo) is both more powerful and easier to use. To top it the competition is moving forward, there is movement in Linux to go further and make it better than it's predecessor.
What might be FUD is the hardware requirements. My laptop (Core 2 Duo T5500, 1GB RAM, GMA950) runs it fine, including Aero. Of course this depends heavily on specifics right now, driver support isn't there yet. - thecosmicpope, on 10/10/2007, -6/+18Good stuff. 1 week is less time than it requires to bring its memory management into full effect. Since Vista learns what you do and even when you do it, using it for an extended length of time brings loading times down significantly. Judging it for 1 week and not allowing it to use all its features is a good way of not getting the full picture. 'nuff sad...as you put it...
- MioTheGreat, on 10/10/2007, -0/+12No. No. No!
You people still don't get it. UAC can save your ass without showing you a single prompt. With UAC off, every process as an Admin runs, you guessed it, as an Admin. Any little exploit in any piece of software, a malformed word document, a special wierd tag in an email for thunderbird, a javascript thing for firefox, and BAM! Your system is fully compromised. UAC stops every one of those without showing you a single prompt. Malware is Windows Defender's job. Undiscovered exploits is why we have UAC. Look at the ANI exploit and protected mode IE for a good example. - alamandrax, on 10/10/2007, -0/+12dude, you need to start putting the /sarcasm tag in every one of your posts. these people just don't get it.
- inactive, on 10/10/2007, -0/+12Took me around a half hour...and that was installing it on Mac OS X via Parallels.
- jbob2000, on 10/10/2007, -1/+12You probably don't have a video card? I can enable all that Aero crap on my new Dell XPS m1710 and everything runs fine.
- OropheR, on 10/10/2007, -15/+26Give Vista a year or two to fix all these pesky bugs. And by then, a new better MS Operating System version will be about to come out. I am very curious to try Vista, but a few things stop me. I do not have the PC strong enough to use it optimally, as a home user, I do not have the money to buy it and do not want to invest that much in an OS. And I do not want to spend hours fixing things that do not work straight (and according to all what I have been reading, there are a lot). Therefore, I will stick to XP on my desktop, getting a bit old, but it is working ok. And beyond that, I am more and more satisfied by Linux Ubuntu installed on my laptop. And I guess, we are a lot of Home Users to think like that.
- alamandrax, on 10/10/2007, -3/+14[citation required]
- meteorash, on 10/10/2007, -10/+20Buried as "Written by an inefficient retard."
- Smills, on 10/10/2007, -4/+13For me, XP fresh install took 6-7 seconds to load after entering my password. Vista Ultimate x64 on the SAME computer takes 2-3, tops.
- MMaster23, on 10/10/2007, -9/+18blog spam ... "article" makes no sense at all. he talks about how he can't use his license to virtualize Windows. why should an ranting-idiot want to virtualize ?
- theodorecarras, on 10/10/2007, -2/+10But if Microsoft put a system like the Linux app repositories in Windows, all the Linux fanboys would say it was adware/spyware/bloated.
- TeatimeGrommit, on 10/10/2007, -3/+11And because Mom + Dad's experience with Windows has been so poor, they don't want to try Mac or Ubuntu either. Microsoft is actually diabolically clever in training people to stick with their crapware.
- dwhitbeck, on 10/10/2007, -8/+16New kernel, same old registry.
- crazydiode, on 10/10/2007, -2/+10It was MSFFT's BEST browser. IE6 is worse.. and i haven't tried IE7. After IE6, switched to FF.
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