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- fkr3, on 10/11/2007, -52/+197That's 400,000 licenses a day, which means
It takes about 3 days for new Vista users to exceed Linux-as-a-desktop users.
It takes about 4 days for new Vista users to exceed Mac's sales.
It takes about 2 weeks for new Vista users to exceed Mac's users. - chingy1788, on 10/11/2007, -34/+124Vista Supposedly Sucks
yet it is selling like hot cakes
By now many people should know about Macs through Commercials...
I say Supposedly sucks because I and many others have been running it and it has been giving me and many others less problems than Ubuntu - estvir, on 10/11/2007, -16/+80Some clarification, Bill Gates said it took 5 weeks to surpass the total Mac install base:
Bill Gates in his WinHEC keynote mentioned "means within its first five weeks of availability, there were already more Vista users worldwide than there are for any non-Microsoft operating system. The message is clear if not explicitly stated: The Mac may get all the positive press, but Vista surpassed the entire Mac user base in just over a month." - digitalbuzz, on 10/11/2007, -6/+69so this is where all the Microsoft fanboys are....8)
http://digg.com/microsoft/A_good_question_Where_ARE_the_Microsoft_fanboys - inactive, on 10/11/2007, -38/+95The thing I hate about the mac ads is that people have to be told that one OS sucks and the other is just really really ***** awesome, when we know it's not actually like that. Well the apple fanboys don't because they're sheep...
- cyssero, on 04/18/2009, -31/+80From a salesman point of view, I honestly think the "Vista sucks" idea is reaching the consumer level. I've had a few customers ask me if we sell any Windows XP machines, and I just reply with no. I always follow up with, "Is there a reason you don't like Windows Vista?" and most reply with "oh, I've heard it's terrible and nothing works on it". These customers don't have the slightest clue about Windows, or computers in general, but word of mouth has spread enough that "Vista sucks".
Well, it doesn't. Out-of-the-box it supports FAR more drivers than Windows XP does. It's also far more secure (obviously though, newer OS has less vulnerabilities, but it's still a plus point), more stable, easier to use and has a better UI. After a little bit of convincing, some customers realise they have no basis for why "Vista sucks" and will buy a Vista machine, but some others just swear against it. One customer told me his video editing software wouldn't work on Windows Vista, after a few questions I realise he hasn't even got a computer and has not even tried his software on Vista. He believed that just because the box didn't EXPLICITLY state "Windows Vista Comaptible", it wouldn't work, no convincing him otherwise. He also believes all computers come with a UAV port, which is where his camera goes. Good luck finding the UAV port, bud!
Good on MS for selling that many licenses. They're a far cry away from dying yet. - Narwaffle, on 10/11/2007, -27/+70There's nothing *wrong* with Vista. It's a perfectly good OS and a huge step up from XP. My experiences with it have been generally positive.
- inactive, on 10/11/2007, -15/+52The only thing that's crashed mine was iTunes... now i'm going to get dugg down by apple fanboys yayyyy
- estvir, on 10/11/2007, -16/+49> I don't want to be the typical linux zealot with this comment, but the most complaints I've heard about Vista are that it asks you "permission" for every last thing.
daisuke, I'll give you an important tip you should remember for the rest of your life. Do not judge something based upon other's opinions especially when they're so obviously biased or just plain inaccurate.
The very first time you're using Vista when you're installing apps and changing /some/ settings you'll get a few prompts but in the following days it'll slowly die down and receiving one will be very, very rare.
Here's a list of things which will cause a prompt:
The types of actions that require elevation to administrator status (and therefore display a UAC elevation prompt) include those that make changes to system-wide settings or to files in %SystemRoot% or %ProgramFiles%. Among the actions that require elevation:
* Installing and uninstalling applications
* Installing device drivers
* Installing ActiveX controls
* Installing Windows Updates
* Changing settings for Windows Firewall
* Changing UAC settings
* Configuring Windows Update
* Adding or removing user accounts
* Changing a user’s account type
* Configuring Parental Controls
* Running Task Scheduler
* Restoring backed-up system files
* Viewing or changing another user’s folders and files
Within Windows Vista, you can identify in advance many actions that require elevation. A shield icon next to a button or link indicates that a UAC prompt will appear.
The bottom line is, the people you've been listening to are dirty liars, sorry. - JMaelstrom, on 10/11/2007, -66/+97Exactly... the Apple / Linux fanboys simply don't want to accept the truth or admit that Windows, regardless of version, is THE OS for productivity...
Linux == Great servers, horrible for desktop use by "normal" people
Mac == Niche... If you like form over function and only need to use Adobe or browse the web, a Mac is for you... - Daisuke, on 10/11/2007, -12/+41@lynn (#6699837)
"best looking GUI" is incredibly arbitrary. Linux users could say the same thing with Beryl or even KDE and Mac users regularly claim that spot with their desktop environment. It's all about what works for you. - naio, on 10/11/2007, -17/+46Phocion. he was not talking about tweaking the OS, but about forgetting that the OS even exists in order to perform his daily tasks with his computer.
We keep forgetting that non-geeks use computers as working tools, not as something to be polished, beloved and used as a "cause". And in this situation Windows could be considered the "most invisible as possible" OS for the end user. - Jesse, on 10/11/2007, -2/+28I use Vista on my desktop and Ubuntu on my laptop. The former for entertainment (games, music, etc.) and the latter for research (i'm a computational physicist). Both do their job just fine.
- GawtMilk, on 10/11/2007, -18/+43@algn
Well it looks like you've never used Vista. It's not 'DRM crippled' at all. Maybe you're referring to the fact that it *CAN* play DRM'd files? You know the HD-DVD key that was so miraculously leaked? It was built into Vista. That's what you're complaining about, yet a simple check of your history reveals you dugg the HD-DVD stories, making you a hypocrite with some pretty obvious double standards.
http://digg.com/users/AlgnPelotudo/news/dugg - flag564, on 10/11/2007, -13/+38"I don't believe it. Everybody know the sort of rat that Bill is, so who can believe that, of course nobody!, ......... there wont be any obstacles to show to all the world how good and powerful GNU/Linux is.
Let me translate this mess into English:
"OMG! I cant believe that all the FUD that we have been pushing on Vista and MS hasn't done squat to dent their sales! I thought that if lied enough about it and scared enough people with made up horror stories, people would abandon Vista for Linux or Macs.
No, this has to be a lie! Yeah, that's it! This is totally made up by Bill Gates. He went out and just made this up! Their is no way that Vista is being used this much. All of my 3 MySpace friends are using Linux and that should weigh more than actual sales numbers.
Maybe if we lie some more , that will start to dent their sales and then there wont be any obstacles to show to all the world how good and powerful GNU/Linux is!" - bumfish, on 10/11/2007, -3/+25check out the big brains on Jesse
- hmemcpy, on 10/11/2007, -2/+22Yes, intelligent people no use Vista/XP. You are write. :/
- anachronaut, on 10/11/2007, -13/+31It's great that some (most?) people have zero problems with Vista and find it to be a more stable alternative. I wish I could say the same...
I've got Vista x64 installed on a partition (triple-booting XP, Vista, Ubuntu), and I've had nothing _but_ problems with it. I've gotten more blue screens and random crashes with it than I've seen since back in the days of running an OS on top of a DOS shell.
I really wish I could figure out what the problem is (No!! I'm not forcing it to use bad drivers, and I have a high-end system that is rock solid under XP and about as solid as you can get under Ubuntu -- just to head off those standard responses), because there's a lot about Vista that I like (Aero & better FPS on games, to name a couple), but right now it's just too problematic to use as my main OS. There's just something about my system that it doesn't like, and it didn't like it straight out of the box. I even wiped my RAID array and went with standard SATA, in case that was the issue (it wasn't)
I realize I'm about to be dugg down into oblivion for admitting publicly to having problems with Vista, but whatever. No piece of software is perfect, and some people are just going to have issues that are beyond their control. - lcllam, on 10/11/2007, -9/+24And in other news, total PC sales somewhat over 40M PCs were shipped in the last 100 days. How many licenses were not pre-bundled?
- estvir, on 10/11/2007, -10/+254eloBeK, you must have missed the memo which said:
"Hey 4eloBeK, there are 6.5 BILLION people in the world and despite what you think, you don't know them all.
Oh, and the sun doesn't revolve around YOU.
PS: Find a clue." - tackle, on 10/11/2007, -10/+24[Quote]I hear they masturbate to these kinds of stories.[/quote]
I think this is far better than masturbating to a picture of Steve Jobs.
Hope this helps/ - benitojuarez, on 10/11/2007, -2/+13You're basically echoing the same arguement thats been used against windows for ages.
well win 3.11/win95/98/xp ran fast on my current (read 3-7 year old) pc and this win 95/98/xp/vista upgrade is just so slooow
well the ui is changed from what im used to in 3.11/95/98/xp etc etc
Hell, I remember people complaining about xp's "slowness" and they were running it on a 486.
It's called change, get used to it. - hmemcpy, on 10/11/2007, -5/+14I've been running Vista on my HP dv5000 lappy since the MSDN release in November 2006. There is no way I will ever return to XP. Vista is both stable and fast, and Visual Studio loads in about 2 seconds with Superfetch.
- Lynn, on 10/11/2007, -30/+39Vista has been running great for me. Not one crach in the nearly 4 months I have been running it. Also, with Aero we Windows users finally have the best looking GUI.
- estvir, on 10/11/2007, -8/+17> .. every body know the kind or rat that Bill is
Prove this statement, please.
> .. I spend all the time surfing all the web ocean ..
You mean Digg and /. ? And you wonder why you don't hear about people switching to Windows. There is a real world that exists out of your mythical 'web ocean' - sounds scary, I know but some day you'll take the big step out that door.
> .. even the MS people is not changing to Vista ..
Prove this statement, please.
> .. it is not a secret that Vista is not being sold ..
Prove this statement, please.
All I see is some mindless guy basing the real world upon a couple of "OMG I SWITCHED TO UBUNUT" stories. That's not a good idea, buddy. - diazamet, on 10/11/2007, -1/+10Here's an idea:
If you like Windows, use Windows.
If you like Linux, use Linux.
If you like Mac, use Mac.
If you are insecure about your choice of OS, come bitch about the other two OSes on Digg! - estvir, on 10/11/2007, -7/+16See: http://digg.com/microsoft/Windows_Vista_sells_40M_licenses_in_100_days#c6710537
Oh, and I think Bill Gates, the man behind Microsoft, is more believable than some kid called "jerigo" posting on Digg with anecdotal evidence.
But that's just me, I've always had this thing for logic/facts/reason but apparently it doesn't fly with some crowds. :o - Hercules, on 10/11/2007, -0/+8All the arguments I've heard in recent history about Vista seem to echo a lot of what I heard about when XP was released.
Nowadays, we call XP a really solid OS, I only wonder what the future of Vista will bring us?
Eyecandy aside, Vista is not a bad OS. It will take time, like any software product, to mature. The fact that Apple can re-write an OS and make it completely incompatible with prior software (OSX) and Microsoft cannot only shows which installed user base is more important.
You can only make Windows "great" by taking away a LOT of backwards compatibility, ie, re-writing most of the OS. Microsoft can do this, and they can make an OS better than OS X, but given their marketshare and the problem it would cause to their business, they are simply taking a good tool and making it sharper instead of remaking the entire thing.
In the end, an OS is only as good as the software available for it, and that's where Windows is great and OS X and Linux suck. The OSS equivalents of most software pretty much suck, Firefox being an exception :) - Murdats, on 10/11/2007, -8/+16Ive been using vista for a while now, RC1 on my laptop, final release on my desktop, and while I know that there is something to do with DRM in vista, I honestly have nfi what it is, this supposedly crippled OS has never had any objection to me playing any of my files in any media player.
"The opposite is not right thought, except if you had tons of third party software."
what is wrong with third party? and the your saying macs can do more then windows?
why then is a common argument of macs superiority that bootcamp lets you do the things you cant usually do?
and wtf is teletubbie mode?
and before you palm me off as someone who doesnt know any better
I study computing, our university uses linux for everything computing related, as you would assume I know people who use every OS ranging back to windows 98 (in one case) and every flavour of linux/mac, So yes, I prefer windows, I have used linux to a large extent (and sometimes dust out the virtual PC)
and have used macs and know many people who use them daily (half of them actually run linux on it instead) so I do know my choices, and I choose windows - pathy, on 10/11/2007, -5/+13A thread about positive sales of Microsoft software, in the Microsoft section of Digg, and people are supporting Microsoft in it.
Yes, that's truly amazing. - shamer99, on 10/11/2007, -20/+27Our company has a contract with a major PC vendor to purchase 30,000 PC's. Each one ships to our door with vista, and each one leave our door with xp. they may be selling (or IMO Forcing vista on us) that many but lets see the numbers on how many systems are actually running vista. People who acquire Linux or buy a Mac actually use that OS.
- ozid, on 10/11/2007, -1/+8I used ubuntu with beryl for a couple months (after having vista for a couple months)... man... they really trade blows for what i think is the best appearance. I really like Aqua, too... KDE is okay, but definately last on MY list. I can't use Aqua as I don't have a mac (and when I had a hackintosh setup, it was more of a hassle to use, and didn't operate as well as... anything. I think windows ME would work better on my hardware, even though I could only use a gig of my ram and a single core... but it did look nice).
Anyways, I decided to switch back to Vista because of Adobe CS3 (can't get ahold of GIMP), Office (free license), and TestOut.
I have an empty dell machine that I might but Ubuntu+Beryl on, though. - Smills, on 10/11/2007, -2/+9In my uni tutorials 3 out of the 7 or so people that bring their laptops into the tut have vista. (One of them has a mac, the other 3 have XP). I am typing this from Vista Ultimate x64, so yeah, I don't know where you live but I know many people with Vista. I live in Australia (WA) before you ask.
- benitojuarez, on 10/11/2007, -0/+7Magic blue smoke? I keep mine sealed tight so the smoke can't escape.
- Jesse, on 10/11/2007, -6/+13Oh yeah! I forgot to show you mine that one time you came over. Oh wait, I forgot you know like 20 people and none of them are me.
"I don't think Bush is President, I haven't seen him with my own eyes!" - jjjjjjb, on 10/11/2007, -14/+21@ jmaelstrom:
Actually, I find the Mac better for productivity. I'm not a fanboy and don't play games - but not having to worry about system slowdowns, viruses, malware etc. makes life a lot more comfortable for me in terms of using the computer on OS X.
The vast majority of commonly-used applications: Office, Adobe CS apps, Firefox, Thunderbird, Skype, iTunes etc. are cross-platform anyway. Having things like PDF creation built-in to the system helps productivity on OS X. It's when you get down to less common, industry specific pieces of software that we may have trouble. - Murdats, on 10/11/2007, -2/+9Im not sure about best looking, but it is soft on the eys :)
now that you mention it I may have lost a bit of battery life, but I would say >30min, if I turn everything off/down, I still get 3+ hours
and the only crashes i have had are dodgy sound card drivers - Homunculiheaded, on 10/11/2007, -4/+11The biggest misconception in these stats (which I don't think anyone has mentioned) is that this month I installed Vista AND Feisty Fawn. I, like many linux users (and probably a growing number of intel mac users), dual boot. It's not becuase 'Vista is essential for any real production' but for gaming and a few other things I like to have it around. I'm not an OS purist. And honestly Vista is a very big step in the right direction for microsoft, they've made some mistakes but by and large Vista is a much better OS than XP. The funny thing is that the almost all the Vista complaints I've heard are from XP users, while most (reasonable) Linux and Mac people I know are actually pretty happy with Vista. They not going to be switch over any time soon, but working in Vista is a lot less painful than XP.
That said I still love ubuntu and it remains my primary and most used desktop, but I boot into Vista a lot more than I ever did XP. - Greyarea, on 10/11/2007, -6/+13"The 20 mil wasn't in the first month alone, that was just when they released the numbers."
Actually, even if those numbers are reflecting the truth then that's only what I'd expect to see - the biggest uptake of a new OS is going to be right at the start, followed by a tailing off until it hits a fairly steady rate for the lifespan of the OS. We'll almost certainly see a similar effect when MacOSX10.5 ships. - r3zonance, on 10/11/2007, -7/+13"Yes, but who the hell cares?
MS only puts out that many licenses because of contracts with PC companies. "
Also, I think the 40million licences includes those shipped to the OEMs (as in they may not have actually been sold with a PC yet). - spudnic, on 10/11/2007, -0/+6@4eloBeK (#6710807)
Sorry, don't think I'll ever respect the opinion of someone who says something 'sux' - inactive, on 10/11/2007, -5/+11Why can't people just admit that those are impressive numbers, even if you like Vista or not. Most of the time OS's are like clothing, it's all about personal preference. I hated when people say this OS is better than this OS, how can you sit there and say some bs like that when you have no idea what the other person tastes and needs are. If a person wants to play lots of games on the computer are you gonna recommend them a Mac or Linux? I have a copy of Vista, yet i'm still using XP because I like it better, does that mean that XP is better than Vista? NO it just mean that it's better for me.
- chingy1788, on 10/11/2007, -5/+11do you even know anyone at all?
- minder49, on 10/11/2007, -4/+10@itgeo
"Also, you have clearly never tried a fully functional Beryl install. Beryl wipes the floor with Aero it's not even a competition. There are just so many more options available and it's fully customizable."
I have, and while it was pretty, I don't think it was worth the three hours I spent installing and configuring Beryl and RoR. - estvir, on 10/11/2007, -5/+11Educate yourself, here's some starting points:
http://www.codinghorror.com/blog/archives/000688.html
http://arstechnica.com/guides/tweaks/vintagevista.ars
http://blogs.zdnet.com/Bott/?p=126
Have fun. - Murdats, on 10/11/2007, -3/+9uh, when XP came out, there were the same
its so slooow, its so expensive, my programs/hardware/games wont run on it
its only advantage is eye candy
you need a $30,000 computer to run it
why fix it if it aint broke
these were the reasons people didnt upgrade from 98 to XP (or 2000 to XP) how many home users do you see using 2k (which isnt as rare as ) or 98?
these arguemnts have been used to declare the next iteration of windows as a waste of money and bla bla bla for pretty much every upgrade, the only time they were right was for ME - Darcy, on 10/11/2007, -2/+8"I was completely impressed by the UAC, the world is a safer place now that I have to push a radio button 75 times a day."
I wish you guys would decide between yourselves, whether you are going to attack UAC for being to annoying or not being annoying enough. And why do you need to lie about how often UAC appears? estvir has already listed the things that cause UAC to show up. How often is the average user going to be doing any of the things on the list below? I say once or twice every two or three weeks. Do you really think that's a big deal?
* Installing and uninstalling applications
* Installing device drivers
* Installing ActiveX controls
* Installing Windows Updates
* Changing settings for Windows Firewall
* Changing UAC settings
* Configuring Windows Update
* Adding or removing user accounts
* Changing a user’s account type
* Configuring Parental Controls
* Running Task Scheduler
* Restoring backed-up system files
* Viewing or changing another user’s folders and files - chingy1788, on 10/11/2007, -4/+10Here's an obstacle
Carpal Tunnel
Ubuntu will become popular when everything can not only be done in terminal but through GUI as well
and there are guides which guide you through using the GUI system, Wizards
Right now its just a bunch of typing - digrboi, on 10/11/2007, -3/+8and your spelling shows that you are intelligent...very intelligent
/sarcasm - airquotes, on 10/11/2007, -4/+9@FKR3
Do you believe number of sales and quality of product always share a direct relationship? -
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