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- inactive, on 10/11/2007, -3/+65I've used Vista now for a couple of months after years of using XP. I have two comments: 1) Some of the day-to-day tasks I did with XP have changed. Change itself is sometimes annoying especially when little or no benefit is realized, and 2) My productivy hasn't increased at all.
- OBKenobi, on 10/11/2007, -19/+68MS cannot limit the availability of XP. It's already out in the wild and fully cracked. MS would have to sabotage it with a malware update, but that would be illegal.
MS's only real selling point for Vista is DX10, and that matters only to a very limited market: the hardcore gamers who buy $600 graphics cards. I'm starting to think even DX10 may be dead, mainstream gamers still aren't upgrading.
Which is a good thing in the long run.
Ironically, Microsoft's Xbox is helping to kill sales of Vista games. MS is competing with itself, and it will have to make a choice eventually. - msaleem, on 10/11/2007, -2/+43FTA:
It's possible, Cherry added, that Microsoft might find itself forced to recognize more reality in the future. "At some point, they might have to consider limiting the availability of XP" to push people to Vista. - ChromaVita, on 10/11/2007, -7/+45I've truly never seen want as a contraction...
- loganhid, on 10/11/2007, -6/+42well windows XP is great and very stable - whats the point of wasting money on a new OS. The only reason really to switch (for me anyway) would be the vista-only games, but with latest cracks and patches - most of the games can be played on XP.
- stratdog25, on 10/11/2007, -10/+44Microsoft Boardroom Meeting: "Okay everyone... XP sales are starting to wane... Let's start developing Project: Lesser of 2 Evils. We'll make an even WORSE product, have OEM's put in it machines with devices that have no drivers, *ahem, dell*, and sales of XP will SKYROCKET!!!! "You're a genius, sir!"
- DaveClarkOne, on 10/11/2007, -14/+48Vista is also boosting sales of Apple's OSX.
- gattone, on 10/11/2007, -2/+34Why would Microsoft try to push vista for NEW customers? Isn't it better for MS when people buy today an XP license key and pay again (this time for a Vista license) when there will be no more security updates for XP?
MS wants people which _already_ have XP to move to Vista so that they pay again. - Ramble, on 10/11/2007, -0/+30The fact that you use Norton has just eliminated any credibility you might've had.
- Salgat, on 10/11/2007, -13/+38I wan't OpenGL as the standard.
- eliasg, on 10/11/2007, -6/+27A ton of XP-compatible apps still aren't compatible with Vista... which is a headache for people buying new machines preloaded with Vista.
- Firehunter, on 10/11/2007, -7/+24I'm informed, yet I am running Vista on both desktops and the new laptop. Other laptops are running Linux, but I don't feel as productive on them. As for Mac, I have no reason to go back to using it. I like Windows better.
- brucer69, on 10/11/2007, -3/+19I totally agree. I was working at best buy when vista was released and stopped selling windows xp machines. Some customer would buy a boxed version of windows xp with their brand new vista machine. I saw it personally at least a dozen times. People just didn't want vista.
- restlessdesign, on 10/11/2007, -3/+17They're actually charging a fee to Dell because they are still loading their machines with XP over Vista.
- TomP, on 10/11/2007, -3/+17I wont touch Vista for at least a year same as I did with XP
- wenwon, on 10/11/2007, -3/+16When Apple releases an operating system, people don't run out in droves to buy the old one. Bury me if you want but you know it's true.
- misterjangles, on 10/11/2007, -1/+14The superior OS is the one that's easiest for you to do your work.
- dsendecki, on 10/11/2007, -1/+14It's a contraction of wannot — duh. ie 'I wannot OpenGL as the standard'.
- inactive, on 10/11/2007, -2/+15They cannot limit the availability of XP, but they sure as hell can limit the availability of support and updates for XP.
- 2shae, on 10/11/2007, -5/+16Worst mistake Microsoft made with Vista was to think that nearly every pc user has a powerful pc that can actually run Vista with all the flashy effects.
Most pc users have a crappy pc that can barely run XP.
And people don't want a watered down version of Vista that is just like XP with a skin + an added annoying Cancel/Allow popup. - inurb, on 10/11/2007, -8/+19XP is perfect for what I do. It's finally somewhat security stable and it's not the resource hog that Vista is. Why should I switch?
- PrismSub7, on 10/11/2007, -2/+13Microsoft doesn't need to release a malware update. When XP is EOL (no more support) and a nifty 'hacker' finds an exploit, its upgrading to Vista or running an insecure OS.
- tulsapoke, on 10/11/2007, -8/+19I have used Windows since the 3.11 days, and probably would have been considered a fanboy having 95 the day it came out and such. Vista helped push me out of that and I now have Ubuntu on all my systems. That is the only reason I like Vista that its suckness opened my eyes to open source.
- Balm, on 10/11/2007, -3/+14You still got ripped off.
- rebuilder, on 10/11/2007, -1/+12People, XP sales haven't increased, all this means is MS overestimated how much Vista would cut into XP sales. Don't get excited, Vista is still preloaded on most new computers sold, and that makes it pretty dead certain that within the next few years all new pc games will be Vista-only. MS is big enough to force just about anything on the end-users.
- readme, on 10/11/2007, -6/+17XP is the last Microsoft OS I will own. I have a MacBook Pro for general stuff and once the PC I am using now gets too old to run games I am jumping to consoles.
Microsoft just bored me to death with their lack of innovation in the OS department. Vista looks like it was designed by 1000 different people with a complete lack of focus. It's a completely tacky design and being the UI is the only thing worth upgrading for, it's a no-brainer to skip it. - bobbyi, on 10/11/2007, -0/+10Never trust Norton
- misterjangles, on 10/11/2007, -3/+13Same here. Except when I am on XP I think, gosh this is fast!
- Firehunter, on 10/11/2007, -2/+12She enjoys WoW, CS, BF2142, etc. :-p
- MasterInsan0, on 10/11/2007, -2/+11Unfortunately, the problem with Ubuntu, as is the problem with all Linux distributions, is that the average consumer has no clue what it is. When the average person thinks "operating system" they usually have one of two thoughts--"Huh?" or "Windows".
As a result, if it ever does become mainstream, it will take a long time, because the consumer has to slowly become more educated. This will happen eventually. - BRODEL, on 10/11/2007, -3/+11It's true, it got me looking for alternatives to a resource hungry OS that requires so much hardware to run as fast as the previous version and not be as capable. I went to Ubuntu for a while but eventually landed on a Macbook and haven't regretted it since. Never thought I'd own an apple, but if Vista is the way Microsoft is headed, I don't want to go there with them. It's ridiculous to make an OS that RAM hungry and sluggish.
- arkmtech, on 10/11/2007, -12/+20Vista is, in and of itself, one big annoyance.
It is neither faster, nor easier to use, nor prettier IMO - rather, Vista consumes extra resources, requires re-learning old tricks using cumbersome & counter-productive new interfaces (e.g. changing network settings in 2k/XP vs Vista) and the "Aero" theme seems, to myself at least, *anything* BUT aesthetic.
While I won't jump into a giant Ubuntu Linux sermon rampant with fanboyism, I will say that given Ubuntu's progress over the last two years, I hold little doubt that Vista will be Microsoft's last consumer-grade OS. - arkmtech, on 10/11/2007, -1/+8This is part of my point - Everytime Microsoft releases an edition of Windows, they purport it to be "new" to the unsuspecting public, making it seem as though they've wiped the slate clean and begun again from the ground up.
In truth, Microsoft's only *real* milestones of such proportion were Windows NT4, which brought multi-CPU capability and better memory management to the 32-bit Windows platform, and much later 'Windows Server 2003' which again raised the bar on memory management.
Some would argue that Windows Vista brings a new window manager to the table, but from a programmer's viewpoint, it's hardly new - Rather, it's the old 2k/XP window manager with a lot of bug fixes and optimizations that should have been made LONG ago.
Don't get me wrong - repurposing old code isn't a cardinal sin. However, it's illegal for an auto dealer to fix a Chevy Citation up with aftermarket parts, repaint it a hot new color, add air conditioning & MP3/satellite-capable stereo, and then turn around and sell it as "NEW!"
.... So why is it okay for Microsoft to take an old OS based on legacy code, fix it's problems, gussy-up the GUI, add some bells and whistles that bear striking resemblance to features in other OSes, and turn around and sell it as "BRAND NEW!"
BOTTOM LINE: In regards to Windows, Microsoft has hit the same ceiling they did with Windows 95/98/ME: It's a lot of old "legacy" code with new modules that are written (usually sloppily) to be compatible with that old "legacy" code. Hence, bloat is high, performance is mediocre, and those who keep shelling out money for Windows are being sold the same jalopy over and over and over again. - ThatEvilGuy, on 10/11/2007, -7/+14XP is the best operating system Mircosoft has ever released... if it only had a DX10 support and couple of Vista features(like the explorer address bar and a full row select in explorer) it'd be perfect!
Vista's classic theme is ugly, the explorer is too bloated(you can't remove that stupid thick "Organize" command bar) and isn't as customizable as XP one.
Vista's Aero while pretty is distracting.
Essentially with Vista MS fixed what wasn't broken in the first place, and made it worse.
It'd be great if they hadn't released Vista at all and just added DX10 support and integrated some above listed features into XP. - msgyrd, on 10/11/2007, -3/+10I have an old ATI TV tuner card. With Linux, install TVtime and it magically works (like a 2 meg download). XP, install the 140 megs of drivers and software, and it works. Vista...oh yeah, not on their compatability list. Vista doesn't handle it and ATI doesn't want to make a Vista driver. I know it's getting old, but it still works. "Upgrading" shouldn't make things less functional.
Also, I'm sure it's another hardware driver issue, but I bluescreen Vista on a near-hourly basis on a machine that has ran Linux with uptime measured in months, and XP with no issues. - msgyrd, on 10/11/2007, -0/+7Do you even know what you're talking about? Vista's underlying architecture is still the same old NT kernel. Not much has changed except the OS now second guesses all of your actions. They added the spiffy graphics layer to the desktop, and it arbitrarily supports DX10 (XP could have handled all of that with a service pack, but MS prefers you shell out more cash).
Linux isn't necessarily better designed, but it's open source, which means when a bottleneck or security risk is found, those with the ability can do something about it and fix it right then. With a MS product, you just bend over and take it until MS releases a patch. - markdde, on 10/11/2007, -1/+8I've already gone back to XP from Vista. It's faster, runs everything and lots cheaper what's not to like? They can keep their Aero. If I wanted nice effects I'd have got a Mac, they do it much better.
- yournamehere, on 10/11/2007, -0/+6yes, they spent all that money developing Vista to push users to XP
- agimat, on 10/11/2007, -1/+7Your retard father appears to have strong genes.
- inactive, on 10/11/2007, -2/+8one question? Why does your wife need a freaking 100$ graphics card? What they hell does she use it for. a Frag Session on CS? If yes then you are one lucky son of a bitch.
- Arctirus, on 10/11/2007, -2/+8The 8500 and 8600 cards are worthless. You should have gotten either a 7 series or an 8800.
- shanesemler, on 10/11/2007, -3/+8Or switch to Linux! Hey, someone here had to say it.
- binorgog, on 08/07/2008, -5/+10I use vista and xp. My home system has vista and my work laptop has xp. The only difference I see or feel, is when I am on my xp machine, I think, gosh this looks plain.
- sabach, on 10/11/2007, -1/+6MS reps visited a local OEM I do business with and gave him hell because he had system specials in his showroom with XP preinstalled. He said it was like an episode of Sopranos, he was waiting for someone to say "This is a nice little computer business you got here, shame if something was to HAPPEN to it".
- meepus, on 10/11/2007, -3/+8They aren't losing money to Ubuntu and Mac. They might be receiving less of the potential profit available in the market, but until Microsoft isn't selling enough software to continue bringing in profit, they aren't losing money: they're losing margins. If you're still profiting, you're still profiting.
- BRODEL, on 10/11/2007, -7/+12Vista has a better look, but that's the only advantage I see. I have it on a few laptops at work and I have it set to NOT sleep when I close the lid.. so I close the lid and the screen never comes back on, so I have to put it to sleep and then wake it back up to get the screen back. This happens on different brands of laptops.. I have it dual booted with XP as I was just testing Vista and it's sluggish response and inability to run all of the programs we use at work force me to boot into XP more than Vista.
- MrHappy123, on 10/11/2007, -3/+8Im with you man :)
- giloron, on 10/11/2007, -1/+6That is already planned. OEMs will not be able to preload XP after some time in January 08.
- inactive, on 10/11/2007, -5/+10the idea behind the UAC was good its just poorly implemented
- Smills, on 10/11/2007, -1/+5Funny, I have found Vista to be faster. I had a 6 second log-in time for XP fresh install, for Vista it is ~2.5 seconds fresh install. And that is fully finished loading too, including sidebar and all that. It may have something to do with the fact that my version of Vista is 64 bit but for whatever reason it is far faster.
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