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- chicagospur, on 01/24/2009, -9/+79The title and description of the article is deceptive.
Enterprises don't lose anything by moving to Windows 7 but staying with Server 2003 or 2008 at the backend. It just means that some NEW features in Windows 7, such as WAN Caching and VPN less connectivity will not work without Server 2008 R2.
Both technologies rely on the Server and the Client to work together so would need compatible technology at both ends. - kspanks04, on 01/25/2009, -9/+43Complaining about a beta is productive.
- mrsteveman1, on 01/25/2009, -4/+36It is.....thats how stuff gets fixed
- TheWindBlows, on 01/23/2009, -11/+39The issue with Powershell is how unintegrated it is, its more of a programming language from what i heard. In linux half the applications are integrated into the command line and have a graphical interface at the same time. In truth the reason linux's command line is so wonderful is because you can make a set of one line copy paste commands to use that activate programs as needed and so on. Along with a terminal truly owning all processes inside itself, powershell i think does this too though maybe not. Multi-user on a single user support is another big thing (see it for yourself Ctrl+Alt+F2, login, command = startx -- :1 , Ctrl+Alt+F1/F7 yourself back to your original session ).
Sadly Microsoft is adding parts of things in their administrative bucket, but those parts are crippled. Partially due to the model they set for the past 10 years. - MrJ777, on 01/23/2009, -5/+33There isn't much real substance to the article, most of this we already knew.
Still worth a read if your in the IT field though. - hartley, on 01/25/2009, -2/+20post a link to this driver issue? i have found/read no problems with drivers.
- Jeremyz0r, on 01/25/2009, -3/+21Actually, it is. Should you wait till the initial release to start criticizing it's faults?
- cawpin, on 01/25/2009, -6/+22There are no drvier issues. Stop FUDing.
- genericdigger, on 01/25/2009, -4/+19*generic complaint about Microsoft software*
- Mackofalltrades, on 01/25/2009, -3/+17*generic "thats why you should all use linux" comment.*
- jimminy, on 01/25/2009, -5/+16"Obsolete, five-year old hardware"?
- spyd3rweb, on 01/25/2009, -1/+11Most companies I've ventured in to could get away with using windows 3.1
- jcannonb, on 01/25/2009, -5/+15This is NOT bad news. Geez. Business aren't going to run their desktops on BETA software, and since Server 2008 R2 is going to be a free update to servers already running Server 2008, its not a big deal. Beta 4 Beta people. This is such a non-starter. Bottom line: If you want to play With Windows 7 beta at work, and test its enterprise features, download the server beta. Makes perfect sense.
- Spoomeister, on 01/25/2009, -2/+11*generic "***** the complainers, vista is working fine for me" comment*
- joe90210, on 01/25/2009, -3/+11Tonight on the evening news, Microsoft has decided to release an OS with new features not available in previous versions, join us at 11 to learn about this disturbing development
- Renton, on 01/25/2009, -3/+10Nah, its just Digg. Microsoft became Digg's ad partner two years ago, and since then, its become significantly more "Microsoft friendly."
http://advertising.microsoft.com/advertise/digg
If you browse stories from a couple years ago, you see less of a bias. - hardeep1singh, on 01/25/2009, -6/+12All OSs have problems with every new release. for example Mac OS is at 10.5.6 and still can't play quality games.
- HappyScrappy, on 01/25/2009, -2/+8According to the article, it's only two features. And it's two NEW features. Why are people surprised that in order to use new client/server features you need new software on the client and the server?
I can't see how this is one of Windows 7 biggest problems. It's not like Windows 7 breaks anything, it doesn't remove functionality. So current workflows will not be broken. If you want to do things in certain new ways, you have to buy new software first.
Also, it mentions Windows Server 2008R2 can boot off a virtual hard drive? Windows 7 can too. I installed Windows 7 to a .VHD file and run it from there. It's built in.
Here's how:
http://it-experts.dk/blogs/rsj/archive/2009/01/01/ ... - 6minuteabs, on 01/25/2009, -0/+5One reason not to backport is because it takes engineering resources that can otherwise be used to work on new features. There are times where specific functionality would require so much engineering effort to backport due to differences in models, design, etc. that to require the backport means that the new functionality would never be built. I just went through the same thing last year on my product. If i used your reasoning, my product would be frozen in time forever.
- DangerCollie, on 01/25/2009, -7/+12MSFT must pay someone to work the social networking sites for them. Anything anti-MS gets Dugg down to hell.
- cak3, on 01/25/2009, -4/+9What? Microsoft is known to AstroTurfing..
http://boycottnovell.com/2009/01/02/gary-stewart-f ...
Lame. - venom8599, on 01/25/2009, -0/+5That's what you do with beta software--evaluate it.
- pixelguru, on 01/25/2009, -8/+13We were involved in creating promotional materials for a Fortune 500's company-wide switch to Vista. Fortunately, they ran a pilot in the UK first, and Vista proved to be such a complete and utter disaster that they quietly and abruptly cancelled the whole program. Is a shop like that going to be in any hurry to "upgrade" to Windows 7, especially when the author says things like "Windows 7 is really Windows 6.1, an incremental upgrade to Vista."?
- ZippyV, on 01/25/2009, -1/+6I can confirm what Kudelkosm is saying: Windows Server 2003 R2 was payed upgrade. You did not have to upgrade your os because the R2 features came on a separate cd.
- chadsmith729, on 01/25/2009, -10/+15I'm just not surprised by this. If Microsoft does one thing exceptionally well it's how to continue to get income and to always make sure that their new products have to be purchased. I think a lot of businesses could take a page out of that particular chapter of Microsoft, learning how to make your product continue to be purchased when competition is so fierce. I know I will be dugg down because it seems like every time I talk about Mac or PC I get a lot of negatives. (chadsmith = Kubuntu (linux (in-case you didn't know what Kubuntu is) KDE4) user)
- pyroguy56011, on 01/25/2009, -1/+6How is that relevant to the article at ALL?
- pixelguru, on 01/25/2009, -2/+6Read it again 6minute... I provided an observation, and asked a question - nothing more.
- offrdbandit, on 01/25/2009, -1/+5I don't need reliable transport. No one dares to drop my packets!
- Asianwaste, on 01/25/2009, -1/+5Right, because I totally meant that instead of winipcfg.
- evilryry, on 01/25/2009, -3/+7WAN caching can do more than a simple proxy. For instance, it works with CIFS packet signing. I'm not aware of any other CIFS proxy that can do this, or would be able to do effectively this unless both the client and the server were aware of the proxy. So although the proxy is an old concept, the new Microsoft implementation has at least one solid feature over the competition.
Microsoft of course has a bit of an unfair advantage over their competitors in this area though since they control the both client and server. - Wang, on 01/25/2009, -2/+6Inaccurate and mis-leading title/description. Since when has MS ever "treated the enterprise's needs as an afterthought"?
Just look at the number of enterprise features that Win7/Server 2008 R2 has added - there are many, and a lot of enterprise users are excited for these features (especially DirectAccess which creates seamless connectivity to work, no more vpn required). Sure you will need Server 2008 R2 and Windows 7 clients in order to setup and use DirectAccess and some of the other features...are you surprised? It's a new technology and back-porting that kind of work to previous versions of Windows is just not realistic. We aren't talking about one small client application that needs to get ported to Windows 2003...we are talking about many core networking technologies that need to work together seamlessly to create these enterprise features - they would all need to be ported AND work correctly with the existing technologies in the old OS. I for one would prefer to have a working/stable release of Windows 2008 R2 as opposed to waiting another 2-3 years for a buggy/hacked implementation of the enterprise features on WIndows 2003 or 2008 R1. - kudelkosm, on 01/25/2009, -1/+5jcannonb, I did some research. While 2003 R2 might have had the same features of 2003 SP1 (i couldn't find any information to confirm or disconfirm this), 2003 R2 was definitely a paid upgrade. It was the same price of 2003, and if you had Software Assurance or some other licensing subscription from Microsoft, you got it for free, but you still had to install an update. If you were already running 2003, all you had to do was install the second CD of R2 and you'd get the updates. But... it was a paid update. I'd assume Microsoft is doing the same thing with Server 2008. If you have a licensing agreement, you probably get 2008 R2 with your subscription, but it's still a different OS release in Microsoft's eyes, and it'd a paid upgrade for everyone else.
- archer75, on 01/25/2009, -3/+7It's true. Most consumers are idiots and that's all they see and that's all they care about.
- ohplease, on 01/25/2009, -1/+4
Powershell is somewhere between basic command line and VBScript.
I worked with it extensively after the release of Exchange 2007 and hated it. - rakeshishere, on 01/25/2009, -0/+3Good news for home users :)
- mrBitch, on 01/26/2009, -0/+3@ kudelkosm RE: " jcannonb, I did some research. While 2003 R2 might have had the same features of 2003 SP1 (i couldn't find any information to confirm or disconfirm this), 2003 R2 was definitely a paid upgrade. It was the same price of 2003... "
You're right, it looks like jcannonb is just making ***** up. - gcnaddict, on 01/25/2009, -2/+5I'll have to ping Paul on this, but in the interview, Paul just mentions two features: Branch Cache and DirectAccess. Granted, those were "examples," but I don't see how two features qualify as "many" especially since most businesses are still running on Windows Server 2003 domains.
It's a bit of a stretch. - JakeW, on 01/25/2009, -16/+19you're
- doctorgrim, on 01/25/2009, -17/+20Is Windows 7 going to end up like Vista and be ignored by Enterprise again? We'll have to wait and see.
- inactive, on 01/25/2009, -6/+9The same reason the upgraded from paper to computers.
- hardeep1singh, on 01/25/2009, -2/+5It supports all the existing technologies, its only new technologies that require the new server OS.
- m00nmaster, on 01/25/2009, -2/+5This is total BS. My car can last for 15 years or more if I want it too...why not my computer?
- kudelkosm, on 01/25/2009, -0/+3I wasn't saying that Microsoft was either right or wrong in not backporting features of 2000 to NT 4. I agree with 6minuteabs that it would have diverted resources that could have been on new features. I'm sure Active Directory and Group Policy were really complex and probably relied on a lot more features that were introduced in 2000 Server that would have made it near impossible to backport it to NT 4. Following your logic, though, why ever release a new OS? Why hasn't Microsoft just steadily been adding features like the new taskbar, and Aero glass, and secure networking, and Active Directory domains to Windows 3.11 for Workgroups?
- tgc1, on 01/25/2009, -2/+5Lack of complaining in beta gets nothing fixed.
- mikelieman, on 01/25/2009, -6/+9Why are we wasting money upgrading O/S and infrastructure to support it when what we have works perfectly well?
- MadOgre, on 01/25/2009, -3/+6Does the author of this article know that Windows 7 is just a Beta?
- sm3287, on 01/25/2009, -9/+12Everything is so user friendly now, Oo lets make the buttons bigger no no lets make them bigger and more colorful and have fireworks shot out when some one clicks them.. I like my windows xp and im not giving her up!~
- TheSpook, on 01/26/2009, -0/+2*Most (small) companies I've ventured in to could get away with using windows 3.1
- PinkyTheWinky, on 01/26/2009, -0/+2grep <> nasty... it's one of the most usefull commands you can have.And in any case why would you want to "pipe objects" if your dealing with text. Command line is about text processing. If you want something with objects use python... seriously.
- DangerCollie, on 01/25/2009, -3/+5One of the main points some seem to have missed is that Microsoft continues sticking to the path of services tied to locally installed software instead of integrating SAS...that's the old term...I guess "cloud" is the new one. They may want to avoid that as long as possible because if they incorporated HotMail in SBS server but didn't put in hooks to use Gmail instead, they'd be opening themselves up to a new round of monopoly litigation.
So, as the rest of the world moves on to seamless integration between cloud services and local installs, those stuck on the MS treadmill can look forward to more of the same. Windows 7 is starting to look pretty mundane at a point in history that MS desperately needed to field a home run product. And their expensive solutions are flying into a still-deteriorating economy. -
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