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- 8bitflu, on 11/20/2008, -2/+86IE6 screws everything.
- shizer, on 11/20/2008, -4/+73I don't think browser market share is what is screwing microsoft
- inactive, on 11/20/2008, -4/+46I thought Firefox did that.
- scoot2006, on 11/20/2008, -1/+31IE8 isn't so bad since they decided to use the official standards mode as the default rendering mode. We'll see how it works out. It's already better than 7.
I think in the long run it'll end up being more of a 60/40 split of IE/(other browsers). Government and corporations with software install rights limitations will become a deciding factor in what browser people will use (since it seems like most don't know about Firefox Portable). - 10goto10, on 11/21/2008, -2/+26It has been screwing webdevelopers for years, can't feel any sympathy when it's Microsoft's turn to bend over.
- kinologik, on 11/21/2008, -2/+20As a web developer for the last 10 years, problems with IE6 has cost me a fortune. I want my money back!
- Cglass, on 11/21/2008, -1/+19Microsoft has been one of the most stable stocks to ever be on the market.
http://finance.google.com/finance?chdnp=1&chdd=1&c ...
To say it's heading right down the drain and lead people to believe it's because of their code is asinine.
The entire stock market is headed in the crapper. Don't be an idiot, regardless of how some of their software has issues.
I should add, just for some perspective, I absolutely hate Internet Explorer 6 and 7 as a web developer. - praves, on 11/21/2008, -1/+18As a web dev. IE6 is always a headache
- amk29j, on 11/21/2008, -0/+16In my experience, Chrome crashes way more frequently than IE. At least for now, my browser of preference is Firefox. I love the extensions way too much.
- bjornski, on 11/21/2008, -1/+16Chrome crashes like a bastard, what are you talking about?
- Spartycus, on 11/21/2008, -2/+15For those who are computer proficient I agree with you. Sadly, your grandparents and likely parents and friends dont care about functionality, they just use whatever is default or from MS because they've heard the name. These are the people who might try Firefox and wonder what all the fuss is about and switch back without ever downloading a plugin or theme. They are also the people who open unknown attachments and click on popup adds. They are the bane of "teh internetz", but they still exist in a greater proportion than computer literates...
- Mohdoo, on 11/21/2008, -1/+13What does microsoft gain by having their browser be used? If people are still buying windows, does it matter? Sorry to be a noob!
- RizenBB, on 11/21/2008, -4/+15IE6 is screwing the internet. I work at a SaaS company and so many of our end users still retain and use IE6 daily and scream bloody murder if we tell them they have to upgrade. Yet many features or customized websites simply just won't work or look good in IE6 without extensive work.
MS needs to force upgrades on people using anything pre-IE7 similar to Mozilla, or at least nag you with updates repeatedly. IE6 is just too outdated and having to accommodate people who insist on using nearly 7 year old technology is dragging down innovation. - oldhick, on 11/21/2008, -2/+13You marvel at that? You should catch up on technology an its history. I don't have time to go into it here, but Microsoft played a fairly influential role in developing the personal computing market and on the server side they didn't do too bad at knocking down their directory services competition...
I'm not a big fan, but I certainly don't "marvel" at why people choose Microsoft. - FredFredrickson, on 11/21/2008, -0/+10Baseless speculation. If people are STILL using IE6, what in the world would make you think that they are on the cutting edge and ready to try something new, IE Firefox?
- damack, on 11/20/2008, -9/+19I think IE is on its way out anyway the only reason IMO that Firefox and Chrome are doing well/going to do well is because of their consumer conduct.
They practically listen to everything we say and give us what we need. Microsoft don't give us what we need they give us what we don't want and tell us "you've got no choice". IE feels like a relic of the past when you customize your Firefox with all the add ons to give it extra functionality.
I think the future of browsers is a plain jane browser that just opens web pages and a fully customizable interface with hundreds of options of add ons so you can add extra functionality to a blank canvas.
For all its problems IE's biggest issue is the one nobody is talking about. - cl2yp71c, on 11/21/2008, -2/+11I think Microsoft will screw Microsoft.
- rikwakefield, on 11/21/2008, -5/+14To be fair IE7 isn't bad. Much better than 6.
- MarkusX, on 11/21/2008, -0/+8Microsoft won't pick up these users, unless they get them to upgrade XP (!).
Frankly, I'm surprised that there are that many computers out there, which are running such an old system, but then there are a lot of custom made software solutions for corporate environments, that aren't easily upgraded, so they just stick with a running system. - MarkusX, on 11/21/2008, -0/+8I meant to write "upgrade to XP", not "upgrade XP", because IE6 is the last pre-XP compatible browser.
- LastDitchHero, on 11/21/2008, -0/+8You know those stupid IE 6 only sites, well wanna know what is so great about those, a lot of them don't work right in IE 7. And guess what? Have vista? Well then your SOL. What is even better is if you use IE 7 and it asks you to upgrade to IE 6. Maybe people will learn to adopt open standards now.
- secrity, on 11/21/2008, -0/+8The problem is not that it is seven year old technology, the problem is that IE6 is proprietary technology.
- alperea, on 11/21/2008, -1/+9Idiot. IE6 made you a fortune. Millions of people visiting your crappy sites with their crappy browsers still made you cash.
- FredFredrickson, on 11/21/2008, -0/+7Chrome is in beta, so it's not really a great choice for replacing any of the other browsers at this point.
- simg, on 11/21/2008, -2/+9I don't really think Vista (if that's what your refering to) is overpriced.
Frustrating, with many features clearly developed by utter morons, yes. But at £80 for the business edition I think that's pretty OK.
I'm also a fan (and regular user) of Linux, but I appreciate what I get for my £80 (whilst still being frustrated with many aspects) - rodted2, on 11/21/2008, -0/+7I'm a developer for Altiris and we use IE on a pretty regular basis at least for testing anyway. I have found that IE crashes 10% of the time, Chrome, about 40% of the time and Firefox around 10% of the time, so in my personal experience IE and Firefox crash pretty evenly. However Firefox has other attributes that make it my browser of choice.
- pathouston22, on 11/21/2008, -1/+7IE hardly ever crashes for me.
- dondara, on 11/21/2008, -1/+7Bury him if you want but EVERY web developer I know says the exact same thing.
- smacksaw, on 11/21/2008, -1/+7If you paid anything anything for your installation of Internet Explorer, demand a refund or a kick in the nuts.
- TomFrost, on 11/21/2008, -2/+8It's about time it screwed Microsoft. It's been screwing the rest of us for years.
- inactive, on 11/21/2008, -6/+12Dear IE6,
"You're dead. Your Friends are dead. Your ***** pets are being skinned alive. Your mom's a ***** whore. The whole world hates you. You're going to hell. Live with it. Game over. "
- Web Developer - KibibyteBrain, on 11/21/2008, -1/+7Actually, most users get Vista for cheap or basically free, bundled into the price of their units. Many of those OEM deals buy Vista outright at a reduced rate around $20 a pop. And of course, with some of the crapware deals some manufactures have, they actually make money off of the overall windows software bundle.(although this practice is fortunately seeming to die out) This is one of the key reasons why its pretty hard to make a legally licensed low-end windows box yourself and beat the Dells and HPs on price.
- snoopydee, on 11/21/2008, -0/+5Agree with chanop - lots of companies on IE6 for intranet apps
- wcoenen, on 11/21/2008, -0/+51) "Lots of browser market share is still stuck in IE6, according to this article about 8%"
2) "Total IE6 share is 24%."
Buried for self-contradicting summary. Also, statement (1) is not true: the article does not mention "8%" anywhere. - dusanmal, on 11/21/2008, -1/+6Actually IE7 did that. People either migrated to Firefox vs. IE7 or, apparently stuck with IE6. Does anyone remember IE70Blocker.cmd?
- EntropyFan, on 11/21/2008, -0/+5I don't think you will see that big a split. If they are still on IE6, there is most likely a reason.
That reason will keep them in Microsoft's court for the most part, as when they upgrade whatever web services are the reason, they will most likely upgrade the MS solution on the back end. - PabloMac, on 11/21/2008, -1/+6Pics or it didn't happen.
- inactive, on 11/21/2008, -0/+4Buried for a misleading title. This article hardly mentions IE 6 until the end, and even then it doesn't say how/why IE6 users will jump to FF. Shouldn't they have done that by now anyway?
Yes, FF is better we know. But come on fanboys authors, at least give a justified point in your stories. - lacronicus, on 11/22/2008, -0/+4They did fix the problems with IE6.
It's called IE7.
And subsequently, IE8. - superbeefy, on 11/21/2008, -1/+5Unless I'm mistaken most of Microsoft's revenue comes come Operating System and other Pay for software. So unless there is a mass migration away from Windows and other pay for MS products, then I think we'll be seeing MS around for a long time to come.
- csarak, on 11/21/2008, -0/+4That's because Office is still a fantastic suite: probably the best consumer software MS is putting out right now. Sorry OOo, I like you too, but I need MS Office for school.
- wassim2k, on 11/21/2008, -0/+4I've been on IE since AOL and Netscape ruled the Internets. After upgrading to IE 8 Beta 2 and going through hell, I downloaded Firefox 3. Firefox is now my default browser and it's been good times since then.
- SwordofKahless, on 11/21/2008, -0/+4The same tired old argument that I have seen played out time and time again over the last 10 years.
Business Manager to Developer: The new change you made does not work in IE "insert version" so our web customers and all internal workstations cannot use it.
Developer: IE is non-standard compliant, you should not use IE, install Firefox and standardize everything on Firefox "insert version".
Business Manager: I agree that Firefox adheres to standards and is better product but the reality is our statistics show 95% of our revenue generating web customers use only some form of IE. Not to mention it would take X amount of dollars and time to move and convert all our internal applications.
A then angy developer then completes misses the point and recites the benefits of Firefox without realizing he would not have a job in the first place if the sites income was only generated from the 2% of Firefox users. - jdoggz316, on 11/21/2008, -1/+5that is the fault of awful web developers.
- csarak, on 11/21/2008, -0/+4I spend my days subconsciously emanating hate in the direction of itunes.
- groo68, on 11/21/2008, -0/+4IE has a higher market share because it is automatically installed on a computer. Firefox's market share is probably the percentage of people who know how to update their browsers, and IE 7 browser share is people who have automatic updates turned on, and web designers who realize the need for testing.
- UselessTrivia, on 11/21/2008, -0/+4Same here. We have a policy in place on our network that prevents Windows Update from installing IE7 because it breaks at least 3 or 4 major web applications we rely on.
Businesses will by-and-large switch to IE8 within a few years, though, because that's all Windows 7 will support. I doubt you'll be able to install IE6 on it.
And since everyone skipped Vista...they're going to have no choice but to go to Windows 7. - implowry, on 11/21/2008, -3/+7Shame on you for buying an IE app instead of a web app.
- MtheoryX, on 11/21/2008, -0/+3Knowing how to code for standards based browsers AND being able to get ***** working in IE6 has made you valuable.
So, it didn't really cost you money. In fact, it may have made you money, in a sense. - dalittle, on 11/21/2008, -0/+3Ballmer is a marketing guy and Microsoft has been running their company with a marketing focus for some time. You might be able to bump profits for a short term, but driving everything through marketing. When Microsoft decided that developers were second class citizens and that the end customer was no longer the people that actually use their products they were doomed. IE6 / IE8 is more of the same for this marketing strategy, they are on their way out.
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