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- Wonderkind, on 10/12/2007, -10/+179So according to this article, when I click on "send error report" it gets batched with hundreds of other reports until someone notices that there is a pattern. Overclocking.
Your title is completely misleading. - inactive, on 10/12/2007, -17/+164On Ubuntu, it lets you fill out a form, automatically gathers the debug info, and sends the report to Launchpad. You can then track the bug's status as developers roll out a fix :)
- inactive, on 10/12/2007, -39/+184"What happens when you click on "Send Error Report" ?"
Thats easy, nothing! - Artifez, on 10/12/2007, -6/+138This thread will turn into a OS lovefest and very few will actually read the article.
"Ubuntu automatically fellates you and cooks you dinner if you even THINK of submitting a bug"
"OSx has no bugs"
And so on... - filefly, on 10/12/2007, -3/+111PC Load Letter? What the ***** does that mean?
- MioTheGreat, on 10/12/2007, -9/+102"Thats easy, nothing!"
Wrongo.
Many of the errors I've submitted with Vista's Problems & Solutions thingy have turned up solutions later.
I have a couple that are listed as "This problem is being researched", and others turn up helpful errors like: "Install this driver", or "Update this software", or "It's not our fault. Blame DiVX", etc. - b3mus3d, on 10/12/2007, -1/+90""Ubuntu automatically fellates you and cooks you dinner if you even THINK of submitting a bug"
wow. I've heard the hype before but I think it's time to switch... - Drgn547, on 10/12/2007, -4/+75I was expecting, I dunno, maybe an article all about what happens when I click on "Send Error Report" (even though I don't) but all I got was this lousy article on "There's an awful lot of overclocking out there."
- stevejobs, on 10/12/2007, -7/+76"Send Error Report" creates a "PC Load Letter"
- xp3ll3d, on 10/12/2007, -4/+70"On Ubuntu, it lets you fill out a form, automatically gathers the debug info, and sends the report to Launchpad. You can then track the bug's status as developers roll out a fix :)"
Yes unfortunately if Microsoft asked you to do this you would all jump up and down screaming that "the man" wants to collect all of your details. - Mimorox, on 10/12/2007, -2/+63This is what really happens:
http://a3.v14853d.c14853.g.vm.akamaistream.net/5/3/14853/v003/1a1a1a72db3eb01f920167db4fb41745a9188ffd69d8399dcb2c97f865c62f5dc02f9ccbfc30689dd0ff6cdf44bc2c5bc83ba01888b7fc356ea7e0/9999_w.asf - unclemeat, on 10/12/2007, -4/+59You get to see how far the rabbit hole really goes.
- TheDigerati, on 10/12/2007, -3/+45My uncle works for MS and he told me a few months ago that every error report is gone through individually.
--In response I told him sorry for wasting 3 of his co-workers yearly duties. - jasg, on 10/12/2007, -3/+38Well-well look. I already told you: I deal with the god damn customers so the engineers don't have to. I have people skills; I am good at dealing with people. Can't you understand that? What the hell is wrong with you people?
- tizz66, on 10/12/2007, -6/+38I don't know, what happens? Best guess: Clippy pops up and says "Hey, it looks like you're sending an error report!"
- nbcivic, on 10/12/2007, -2/+32the title? have you read your comments?
- bigtrouble77, on 10/12/2007, -8/+38I submitted one of the auto error reports for Ubuntu Feisty. I actually got a response from a developer linking me to the bug in bugzilla so I can track the progress. Very suprised they took the time to either implement an automatic system to give me good, relavent info or actually have a human respond. Either way, it was nice to know they were working on it.
- cquinnd, on 10/12/2007, -2/+31http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/PC_Load_Letter
As soon as I read that comment, I knew there would be people who wouldn't get it. - vwvwvw, on 10/12/2007, -1/+30If you don't like them and you don't trust them, then why are you using their products?
- Ramble, on 10/12/2007, -1/+28I thought that might have been an erotic story, it's not folks, don't waste your time reading it.
- str3ama, on 10/12/2007, -8/+34I found it interesting, it serves no immediate purpose ..but it's interesting to know that some engineers actually look at this info..even if they don't plan to fix it, it would be great for the public to have access to this info .
- inactive, on 10/12/2007, -2/+28Wow. Overclocking can cause errors...
No way! - Cymrubeats, on 10/12/2007, -1/+26That is the most idiotic attempt at logic i have read in a long while. It's no surprise that you have to deal with errors in both linux (assuming by open source you meant linux, surely you wouldn't be so stupid as to compare all and any open source app to an operating system...i hope) AND windows.
- chieferer, on 10/12/2007, -1/+25apple makes windows look like it has 95% of the market share ;-)
- cpritchett42, on 10/12/2007, -3/+22I thought they shared our pain?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=D28FkfJiauk - diggfinity, on 10/12/2007, -2/+19lol... that's what *she* said. am i right?
- anagoge, on 10/12/2007, -1/+17Pages: 55
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Here endeth your free Digg word count. - Junkyarddawg, on 10/12/2007, -6/+22The windows error report is lame and bad because windows is made by MICROSOFT, silly!
Just like OSX is good even though it is slower, more bloated and buggier than Vista, because it's made by APPLE.
Seriously, you may be new on the net but get with the program here! - Phil246, on 10/12/2007, -0/+14@agret , I suspect if microsofts one allowed users to be followed up, there would be a huuuuuge howl about user privacy on digg and how microsoft tracks users whos programs crash etc.
- thegoodtomchi, on 10/12/2007, -0/+14I worked on the crash system for a number of years. Each error report is logged and binned into buckets by offending DLL or other suspected source of crash. Human beings *do* look at the results, but mostly in aggregate -- and problems are stack ranked by number of crashes, so the most severe problems get looked at first.
This means if you get a repeatable crash, you should always report it -- your "votes" will eventually move that crash into view. Anyhow the rest is pretty basic -- details from each crash bucket are spun up into a bug and prioritized for fixing. Buckets that are hard to diagnose can be set to prompt for more data, whether this is asking for a stack dump or even contact data to call a customer to help create a repro.
This work has significantly decreased the number of crashes in Microsoft products across the board. - digitalarcanum, on 10/12/2007, -2/+15I wish steve jobs would die a little. make all the iTrolls cry a little.
- mlerner, on 10/12/2007, -0/+13This article doesn't even describe half the process, yes most error reports will probably be sent into a queue at Microsoft but it's a little different for partners. In fact, I work for a software company who happens to be a Microsoft Gold partner and we handle error reports ourselves, they get sent directly to us because we are registered for the program and we actually look at and actively debug errors and bugs internally through our own testing and externally through the error reporting process. So next time you send off that report, who knows it might end up in the right place.
- nickdngr, on 10/12/2007, -1/+13wow...normally i procrastinate at work and read digg...my boss will be happy to know that you single-handedly made me want to work...
- mrASSMAN, on 10/12/2007, -2/+14maybe digg needs a character limit..
- bradleyland, on 10/12/2007, -4/+15Why is it that the Ubuntu error reporter is great, but the Microsoft error reporter is lame or bad?
- Cyberdactyl, on 10/12/2007, -6/+17"Five people responded saying, "Oh, yes, I'm overclocking. Is that a problem?"
That basically sums it up right there.
Provide technology to those who only want to learn JUST enough to get by and you get this. No one should be surprised. - polypropglop, on 10/12/2007, -9/+19Misleading Title, Wrong Section
- DigitalDud, on 10/12/2007, -0/+10What neat in Vista the error reporter tells you about fixes as they come up in the future. I was told to upgrade XVID to fix a crashing problem for example.
- MioTheGreat, on 10/12/2007, -2/+12"Oh, there goes Microsoft blaming other people for its buggy software again."
Because when 3rd party software crashes, we're all supposed to blame Microsoft because it's the "cool thing to do"? - diggfinity, on 10/12/2007, -13/+22I thought the messages get sent out a pipe into an open field, where all the reports collect into one big pile that no one ever tends to...
- WiZZLa, on 10/12/2007, -1/+10Yes, because they were getting spammed by your stupidity; sadly there is no real world filter for this.
- Junkyarddawg, on 10/12/2007, -3/+10Linux has 3% market share?
- wazzledoozle2, on 10/12/2007, -0/+7Yeah, I noticed this too. ATI's catalyst 7.3 drivers cause a BSOD on some vista installs, and it happened to me once. After rebooting, a popup came up and told me that a solution was available, and linked me to a hotfix for the drivers. Much better than XP's error reporting, which only helped me once it its 5 years of use.
- DigitalDud, on 10/12/2007, -1/+8Patience for what? The program already crashed its not like sending the error report is delaying anything.
- fhsieh, on 10/12/2007, -3/+9so... when windows crashes, it's because of speeding?
- kurttrail, on 10/12/2007, -0/+5I guess you are trying to get people to block you, right?
- sally00, on 10/12/2007, -2/+7
Am I the only one who doesn't have patience and just clicks DON'T SEND error report? - chieferer, on 10/12/2007, -1/+5what is this? book writing time??
- edz0nk, on 10/12/2007, -0/+4It's the Hummer owners, they can't drive their cars on the information superhighway.
The longer your post.. - ChagrinRiddle, on 10/12/2007, -0/+4Stalefries, was that a joke or are you just an idiot?
Sometimes I just can't tell with these comments. -
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