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- johnomaz, on 03/09/2009, -16/+96Um, Microsoft doesn't force anyone to do this. The manufacturer of the computer does. Microsoft sells OEM licenses to the manufacturers, and they in turn sell you the license. If the end-user wants to continue to run XP, then yes, Only Vista business and ultimate have it in their EULA that they can buy the license and install a previous generation OS on their machine.
I'm willing to bet this woman has never used Vista and believes all the negative crap that has filtered around the internet.
If you want something outdated and is only still around because of all the cry babies out there, then yes, you get to pay for it. - defenswens26, on 03/09/2009, -4/+34I can't wait to watch her get laughed out of court. Microsoft isn't levying these fees, it's the computer manufacturers.
- inactive, on 03/09/2009, -0/+14If you are buying a system with XP, why are you also incurring the cost of Vista (which you don't own or use?) I can see the validity of her argument, but it isn't Microsoft that is directly charging customers.
From a business standpoint, all of our machines run XP. We recently bought two new computers and "downgraded" to XP for the purpose of uniformity. For all the people saying XP is old and crap, you are completely missing the point from an enterprise perspective. - inactive, on 03/09/2009, -9/+22well, she's retarded.
- Ranzera, on 03/09/2009, -2/+15I'm not sure, but I think her complaint is that she is forced to buy Vista Ultimate in order to get the option to buy XP. I could be wrong though.
- defenswens26, on 03/09/2009, -4/+16Great reasoning. Maybe you'd like to try out Windows Mojave then?
- chriswastaken, on 10/27/2009, -1/+13FTA: "Her complaint hinges on allegations that Microsoft forced individuals running Vista Basic to first upgrade to Vista Business or Vista Ultimate and then pay for a download licence fee for XP Professional."
If this is true she has a case, though not against Microsoft but the entity selling licenses. - tweak567, on 03/09/2009, -1/+11The reason XP is still around and still has a strong following has very little to do with all the "cry babies out there." It has to do with upgrading costing lots of money and XP doing everything the majority of it's users needs. Why should I pay money to upgrade to something that gives me next to no advantage over my current OS besides eating more of my system resources?
Even if you were only implying new XP licenses and not upgrades, I'd argue businesses still want it b/c then they have to support an additional OS since they probably don't want to upgrade all their computers at a huge cost. - Hortnon, on 03/09/2009, -4/+13"Vista is XP with a graphic varnish and a extra security layer."
The stupidity of this statement is ridiculous. - inactive, on 03/09/2009, -3/+11What she's hoping for 50 Million Billion is that her revision
- blackinthmiddle, on 03/09/2009, -1/+9I can't stand some of Microsoft's business practices. However, even if it was Microsoft charging the downgrade fee, I'd side with them. Bottom line. Nobody has the ability to support things they created years and years ago. If the woman doesn't like getting a computer with Vista, she should simply get a pc with no OS, then buy an OEM version of XP. But my guess is that she'd rather just go ahead with her attempt to win the lottery, otherwise known as her lawsuit.
- KMartSheriff, on 03/09/2009, -11/+18What's so hard for this woman to understand? The computer comes WITH Vista, NOT XP. If you want XP, you pay for it as well.
On a greater note, why the ***** would someone buying a new computer want to downgrade to XP? They run ***** written software? Because that's the only reason I can think of. - defenswens26, on 03/09/2009, -4/+11What's your reasoning for not wanting Vista? It caught a lot of flack in the beginning that was well deserved, but it's gotten past that point and has become a very well rounded OS.
- inactive, on 03/09/2009, -1/+7kingmanic: (No idea how many examples you wanted)
SuperFetch
ReadyBoost
Backups
Integrated indexing and full drive search
Sidebar / gadgets
Much-enhanced shadow copy
WinPE
Per-window RDP
Per-application sound control - klowngoblin, on 03/09/2009, -3/+9what problems? maybe you should just switch to OSX becuase you obviously arent capable of using a windows based machine.
as for me my Asus F9s laptop runs 64bit ultimate perfectly, its FAST, stable, and sees my 4GB of ram properly, im not one of those dumbasses that blames the OS for not having proper drivers, Asus is being a bitch ass and not relasing 64bit drivers so i had to go out and find the myself.
webcam >> manuf website has 64bit support
Realtek audio >> manuf website
intel AHCI drivers >> intel has 64bit support
nvidia >> laptop2go drivers WHQL certified (the non certified ones caused problems
ATK drivers >> stole them from the asus M50 downloads page :D
it takes a certian amount of knowledge to run a computer properly, if you dont have that knowledge you will have to settle for something less or LEARN IT
i dont like my HDD thrashing so i told vista to turn off superfetch,indexing and some other things, afterbootup my HDD light doesnt even turn on unless i do something.(perfect setup for SSDs that have problems with small file read and writes) - lutiana, on 03/09/2009, -2/+8I have run vista from day 1 and have had no blue screens at all. When it first came out there were some app computability issues, but most of those were solved by the various vendors within 6 months.
I run it on a machine at work (part of an active directory domain) and at home, and neither machine has given me any issues whatsoever, at least none that were vista's fault (some driver issues, but they were fixed by the manufacturer pretty quickly).
I also have about 100 boxes at various customer sites that are equally stable, and in fact once my customers got used to the interface they actually find it a bit more intuitive to use, and they absolutely swear by the search functionality as it saves them so much time in trying to find data and apps.
Come to think of it I don't think I have seen a vista blue screen that was not actually caused by hardware failure, old third party software or memory incompatibility.
I am so sick of the anti MS sentiment that comes from Digg, Vista is a very solid operating system, it has its flaws sure, but so does linux and os X. No operating system is perfect, and I think vista stacks up against OS X very nicely. - identityxcrysis, on 03/09/2009, -7/+12And how much does your word count against anyone else's really? I use Windows Vista and I can tell you all that "negative crap" isn't real at all.
So who is right now? - jazino, on 03/09/2009, -2/+7How great would it be if part of losing a frivolous case like this was being laughed at in and out of the courtroom. Or maybe have your name printed in the local paper like all the felons and bankruptcies.
- MedaFighterX, on 03/09/2009, -2/+7kingmanic obviously doesn't run IT because if he did then he would have known that he would need to upgrade the computers to support the more robust operating system and would have taken the needed steps to do so before the release of the operating system. And not only does Vista offer a numerous amount of features that XP doesn't, it also has a UI that offers quicker access to files and those features. If you're actually in IT then you would know that that alone makes this worth it's weight in gold.
- Hortnon, on 03/09/2009, -0/+5Some less commonly mentioned:
Driver install without reboot. Though I've only seen one driver actually use this feature- ATI graphics.
Start Menu (pinning applications, search bar, etc)
New Explorer interface (Some people complain about address bar, but I like it)
UAC
Networking (especially the problem-related views. Much easier to troubleshoot now) - sbluetruck, on 03/09/2009, -0/+5it's this simple.
windows is a product microsoft sells.
if they don't want to sell xp they don't have to.
if the manufacturer puts vista on and not xp it's their choice.
she willingly bought a computer with vista, and windows xp is a separate product than vista.
end of discussion? - slvrbullet87, on 03/09/2009, -2/+6Well if you have an old computer with XP then use that licence
- themastersb, on 03/09/2009, -0/+4When I see computer packages I see that they come with Vista Home Basic as a default OS and then it says something like get Windows XP home for only $45 more.
- DaviDTC, on 03/09/2009, -1/+5Well taking what Johnomaz said in the first reply it sounds like she has a point
"If the end-user wants to continue to run XP, then yes, Only Vista business and ultimate have it in their EULA that they can buy the license and install a previous generation OS on their machine."
I don't think the lawsuit is that she has to pay for xp, it is that she has to buy business or ultimate before she can buy xp. - jman583, on 03/09/2009, -4/+8Because he's an idiot.
- TheZorch, on 03/09/2009, -10/+14Uh, excuse me, I use Windows Vista quite a bit and I can tell you all that "negative crap" is very real. Windows fanboy.
- KMartSheriff, on 03/09/2009, -1/+5That would be the manufacturers fault. Read this next part carefully so your slow brain can understand:
THE PRICE OF VISTA IS INCLUDED WITH THE COMPUTER.
If you want XP instead, you have to buy it separately. How is that so hard to understand, bozo? - lohphat, on 03/09/2009, -1/+5The courts are not the place for you to beg for entitlements.
You are not entitled to mandate what the market offers. - norman619, on 03/09/2009, -1/+5That has nothing at all to do with a non-enterprise user. MS sets up special arrangements for business that the reason you just said. This has nothing at all to do with Joe User. It you are a consumer and get a system with one OS and want to switch to another or even an older OS you have to PAY for it since it is actually a new OS in addition to the one which you purchased with your system. I have no sympathy for this woman. She needs to be going after the PC vendor not MS. She's only targeting MS, or rather her lawyer is, because they have deeper pockets.
- PoSSeSSeDCoW, on 03/09/2009, -0/+4Quake 4 and Diablo 2 run perfectly on Vista for me and the 5 other people who I know who have extensively played them on their Vista machines.
Your problem probably isn't the result of Vista. - blogaboutnothin, on 03/09/2009, -4/+8I remember when I made the mistake of going from XP to Vista. Downgrading to XP is more of an upgrade for me because it runs much faster than Vista.
- KMartSheriff, on 03/09/2009, -2/+6I can only assume I'm getting dugg down by XP fanboys.
/currently running Win7 64-bit, previous ran Vista64. Both are awesome. - Spoidaman, on 03/09/2009, -0/+4@ emkaysmith,
I call BS on UAC asking for permission whenever you try to download something, it shouldn't do that unless you are downloading it to \windows\system or Program Files or some other system directory. MS downloads should ask for permission as it may be changing system files and needs super-user permissions to do this. Even in *nix environments a user needs root level access to change system files.
As for various apps which ask for super user permissions to run, blame the app coder for not being able to write a secure app.
The problem does not lie with Microsoft, it lies with poor coding from 3rd party developers and complacent users who are not used to *nix like security.
For the record, I use both Windows (Vista and Server 2k8) as well as *nix (Fedora and Gentoo) on a regular basis and like you, I am not a CS major, I am Elec Eng. - mason092, on 03/09/2009, -1/+4Oh god, learning that "Add/Remove Programs" is called "Programs and Features" and learning that the start menu has the search right there and the programs list looks differently is VERY hard. It's also very hard to get through your head that the thing at the bottom of the screen, although it looks different now, it still the task bar. Learning all those things could take months.
- klowngoblin, on 03/09/2009, -0/+3how old are those games? vista wasnt even on the drawing board when diablo 2 came out. i dont even think xp was released yet
your blaming old ass games for not supporting future OS's
thats like blaming apple for OS9 not supporting intel Corei7's and DDR3 ram. - dha07030, on 03/09/2009, -1/+4This women is not an expert user. Just a wild guess.
- waydee, on 03/10/2009, -0/+2I wouldn't be so pretentious as to call myself an expert user but I prefer Vista to XP. It's the best version of Windows I've ever used.
I prefer it because it is a technical improvement, the interface changes don't strike me as anything significant short of enabling slightly better productivity but the way the OS operates on a level not visible to the user is superior - good examples being the improved driver architecture and memory management. I find performance to be fine on any computer sold within the last 2 years with 1.5gb or more of RAM that I've used it on and I like the improved consistency to the interface.
XP wasn't a bad operating system, I just think Vista is an improvement just like every release of NT has been so far.
For the record, security is about more than protecting the people that click popups and hotnakedchick!!!1.jpg.vbs - banshee90, on 03/10/2009, -0/+2Anenokoji she could waste double her money and bought a MAC!!! $45 tax to use XP or and 40% markup to use Mac software obviously the lady is too old to use anything worth a damn on a mac. If your so pissed off lady Fcking build you own computer and PUT XP on it
- Hortnon, on 03/09/2009, -1/+3Not really. XP is reaching its end-of-life as far as MS is concerned. So buying Ultimate or Business is like buying a "gold" service contract where you get support for old software.
Every software vendor draws a line and says "We no longer support older versions of our software past version x, unless you're willing to pay extra." This is not specific to Microsoft. - t0ny, on 03/10/2009, -0/+2Maybe because its is nearly impossible to buy a new computer without Vista.
- waydee, on 03/09/2009, -2/+4Because the same ***** has been said about every Windows release for years, the bandwagon spout off about how bad it is and then within a few years jump to defend it against the latest release.
Every time. She thinks she wants XP instead of Vista just like she would have thought she wanted Windows 2000 or 98SE instead of XP if it were ~2001. Anyone who has seen the bandwagon before ignores it. - Daniel0, on 03/09/2009, -8/+10She is a moron. Why the hell would they want to sell the old version of their product? She probably just figures that lawsuits are the easiest way to get rich quickly.
- Hortnon, on 03/09/2009, -2/+4"And an operating system should NOT be so anti-human!"
First people complained when XP wasn't like Unix for security (users running in lower permission levels by default). Then when you have to elevate to root-like authority like Unix, everyone complained.
How does Microsoft win? - Schmich, on 03/09/2009, -0/+2I use all 3 versions: XP, Vista and Vista's facelift aka 7. Some things are very true whilst others really depend on the situation and some just depend that the service pack hasn't been installed.
I keep running into new things I used to do in XP that can't be done in Windows 7. It is annoying and I don't see why one has to remove old functionalitys to put in new ones. - jazino, on 03/09/2009, -4/+6Or she could have bought her own copy of Windows XP. It should be up the the consumer to know what they are buying and if it is unacceptable not to buy it.
- banshee90, on 03/10/2009, -0/+2Pirated copies of Windows. Windows own biggest competitor
- kingmanic, on 03/09/2009, -3/+4In this day and age sometimes the older version is Superior. From utilities like Nero to certain anti-spyware anti-virus suites got it right then saw more money by piece mealing it out.
XP pro > Vista basic in many ways. The extra security is nice if you are an idiot and run idiot programs but no amount of security can really protect you from your own idiocy. XP runs faster on the same hardware. Vista is friendier to the uninitiated, prettier and more secure. Some prefer the performance over the user friendlieness (useless for expert users), varnish (also useless to expert users), and security (again useless to expert users). - lutiana, on 03/09/2009, -1/+2So let me get this right.
A manufacturer retires its product and release a new one. People then complain, so they bring the old one out of retirement by extending its licensing and put specific constraints on it, ie doing the consumer a favor. Then their resellers decide to charge an extra fee for the end user to get the old product, something the manufacturer neither condones nor condemns.
The end user then decides to sue the manufacturer because they feel they should not have to pay for the extra labor and product (even though that fee is very reasonable, and has nothing to do with the manufacturer).
Is that about it? Did I miss something?
Anyone else find this a bit ridiculous? What the hell is her reasoning on this? I mean, this is the computer industry, not Burger King for pete's sake. -
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