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- inactive, on 10/12/2007, -9/+68Digg needs an "obvious" section
- InuX, on 10/12/2007, -7/+56uh..What OS isn't vulnerable to hackers?
- 7of7, on 10/12/2007, -11/+56All software is vulnerable to "hackers." All you have to do is look at the Secunia vulnerability reports to see that.
- JeffH, on 10/12/2007, -6/+46You sir, are a winner.
- sauron256, on 10/12/2007, -4/+42And next on the Obvious News Network, contact with water may still make things wet!!!
- arcooke, on 10/12/2007, -12/+45This is absurd.. Microsoft never claimed Vista was 100% hacker-proof. No software or operating system on the planet is completely secure. Hell, I even remember not too long ago an article about a guy going to prison for hacking into NASA's computers in search of proof of aliens. I'm pretty sure NASA has specially designed software to secure its top secret documents. This is getting buried.. there's no point harping on Microsoft's lack of security when they never made any claims that it was impossible to hack.
- stockjones, on 10/12/2007, -6/+27When someone makes a 100% secure OS let me know because I'll assume hell has frozen over and that monkeys can actually fly.
- metalhead3767, on 10/12/2007, -6/+26There IS no vulnerability. This is an article saying it could possibly happen. All the iFanboys are digging this up like Vista has been hacked. Next I'll write in my blog about the Zune could, possibly, might be able to be hacked, and I'll get front page. You people love to hate microsoft.
- ryodoan, on 10/12/2007, -11/+29I believe that all OS have vulnerabilities. However, windows systems are so ubiquitous that they are the most profitable to actually exploit the vulnerabilities in. Its not as profitable to try and find vulnerabilities in linux or macs.
Time to pull statistics out of my ass, lets say 85% of the market uses Windows, 10% mac, and 5% linux, which one would you try to hack to get into someones personal files? - Urusai, on 10/12/2007, -8/+23MacOS is immune to hackers...not for technical reasons, but social ones, like why?? So you can steal somebody's GarageBand tracks?
- Scruffydan, on 10/12/2007, -9/+22And a new OS with lost of new code that is widely deployed will be a big target for hackers.
If you care about security (and know how to avoid spyware) staying with XP is probably a good idea, as would linux and osx. Hopefully over time vista will become more secure than XP, with things like UAC and a sandbox for IE7 - MackPrime, on 10/12/2007, -7/+19who says it isn't more secure? Nothing is 100% secure. Vista is an upgrade, at least.
- Hayes, on 10/12/2007, -4/+16The future is looking bright for this section.
- rAid135, on 10/12/2007, -6/+16...and the Earth is still spinning
- Rice, on 10/12/2007, -3/+12This is the first Microsoft story on the home page.
History in the making. - wintermd, on 10/12/2007, -3/+12Headline does not track article. The stuff in the story leads one to believe Visa is better with security than say XP.
Wow. - kingfoot, on 10/12/2007, -10/+18umm didnt bill himself challenge people to produce even 1 hack of the system every month? call me crazy but...
- inactive, on 10/12/2007, -1/+8And what about the bunch of clueless noobs that don't even know they had downloaded something (and that are the #1 targets for security threats)?
You can turn off all those confirmations, but dummies barely knows how to do it. And it is good. - ...---..., on 10/12/2007, -7/+14People that write viruses are like taggers, people who spray graffiti in places where others will see it.
Let's say someone build a big ol' bridge (OS X maybe?) and word got out that it was impervious to graffiti - don't you think that taggers would be chomping at the bit to be the first one to be able put his name on that bridge in huge letters so that everyone would know that he was the master tagger?
It's the same thing with OS X and viruses - if someone could write a real virus for the mac they would wear the crown of supreme virus writers - which would be the ultimate reward for one of these people. That's not to say that it can't be done - it just hasn't yet.
And it has nothing to do with market share - there were viruses back in the OS9 days and mac still had a small market share back then - why would it be different now? Because OS X is more secure - plain & simple. - inactive, on 10/12/2007, -1/+8So what vunerabilities are they talking about? They reference Office 2007 but do not directly state anything for Vista. I know two patches were released for Vista before it went RTM, but Haven't heard of any since. Not saying there won't be any, but this article sounds like a little bit of FUD..
- DarknessGP, on 10/12/2007, -2/+8kingfoot, you are correct. He challenged people to hack the system. Not because he was trying to say it was hack proof, he was trying to implore people to find the weak spots. The same way any company will hire people to break into their systems to find the weak points so they can fix them. I remember some movie about a expert bank robber that runs his own business for protecting bank vaults. Basically he cracks the safe and shows the banks what vulnerabilities there are. This is a smart move on Bill's part, because he has an open challenge. Remember XP, a exploit would come out and a week or so later the fix was added to automatic update, that is all this is. Trying to allow hackers an open way to communicate a security hole to the software developers.
- inactive, on 10/12/2007, -2/+8@xchino,
Since the article doesn't actually name any vunerabilities, can you? I'd like to know what they are since I have as of yet to see them myself. - yournamehere, on 10/12/2007, -6/+12it's an office exploit, not Vista.. idiot troll for the lose
- bIuebonics, on 10/12/2007, -8/+14anyone who says there aren't any viruses for osx needs to google "osx virus"...
- inactive, on 10/12/2007, -5/+11Schestowitz, shut up.
- obezyana, on 10/12/2007, -3/+8@darknessgp
In the version i read ( http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/16934083/site/newsweek/ ), Gates came off more as sounding like an anti-Mac dick than anyone looking to fix security holes before they caused serious damage.
"Nowadays, security guys break the Mac every single day. Every single day, they come out with a total exploit, your machine can be taken over totally. I dare anybody to do that once a /month/ on the Windows machine."
Out of those three sentences, i'm pretty sure #1 is pulled out of his ass, #2 is untrue for *any* OS (including Apple's), and #3… well, maybe he *is* trying to get people to find problems so his team of coders can fix them, but to me it sounds more like "I dare you to make Vista suck as hard as Tiger. Ha! Can't do it, can ya? Yeah, that's right, 'cause Vista pwns all!"
Of course, he has every right to brag about Vista's improvements and try to get people to buy Vista over Tiger/Leopard and even toss in some "Macs suck and here's why," but i'd take him more seriously if he didn't litter his remarks with complete BS about a new total-exploit-a-day. - NSMike, on 10/12/2007, -5/+10Well, the "I'm a Mac, I'm a PC" commercials would have you believe that OSX isn't.
As would about every Apple... Erm... Don't want to use fanboy and propagate the overuse... Let's say Apple enthusiast - on digg.
Think of it this way - You've got a Tsetse fly sitting next to a lobster. If you crush the Tsetse fly, all you leave is a black dot that someone will mistake for a spec of dust. If you take a mallet to the lobster, you leave quite a mess. Let's say making a mess is your goal. Which one would you choose? - IQ70, on 10/12/2007, -0/+5Thats what Linux and OSX do. Didnt you say that you thought they were more secure than Windows? Why complain now?
- grumpyrain, on 10/12/2007, -0/+5LOL, nice claim on Time Machine as an Apple Invention :)
- estvir, on 10/12/2007, -6/+10Welcome to Digg.
- Rice, on 10/12/2007, -3/+7Now that I think about it, it's awesome that the first Microsoft story is about Vista being insecure.
- inactive, on 10/12/2007, -2/+6http://www.theregister.co.uk/security/security_report_windows_vs_linux/
Here is a thorough comparison of Windows vs Linux security, myths explained, and actual vulnerabilities and their severity compared. After reading that, I still feel a lot safer on my Debian than I ever did on my XP, updated and genuine. - Yazilliclick, on 10/12/2007, -1/+5lol if you don't think that linux servers are exploited every single day then you frankly don't have a clue. I've worked tech support for webhosts and done some system admin work there and it happens. Once or twice due to exploits found in the linux distro itself but more often than not due to bad configuration or exploitable content uploaded to the servers by users. This is the exact same as it is with windows in the desktop market where by far the majority of these exploits are because the user doesn't know how to administrate their machine or the software they install has the potential to allow an exploit of the system.
- Lax32, on 10/12/2007, -5/+9In other news, scientists have concluded that water is still wet.
- grumpyrain, on 10/12/2007, -0/+4"Where are the proof of concept exploits? I havent been able to find a single one."
Come on, they are there,
Here is a simple one, you just have to convince the users to disable UAC, then turn on voice recognition, then plug in a microphone within hearing distance of the speakers and then trick them into playing a mp3 that says 'delete c drive'.
Surely that is proof enough that the sky will come crashing down? - shmatt, on 10/12/2007, -6/+10anyone who currently thinks you have to worry about viruses on OS X... doesn't use OS X.
- trogdoor, on 10/12/2007, -4/+8"I believe that all OS have vulnerabilities. However, windows systems are so ubiquitous that they are the most profitable to actually exploit the vulnerabilities in. Its not as profitable to try and find vulnerabilities in Linux or macs.
Time to pull statistics out of my ass, lets say 85% of the market uses Windows, 10% mac, and 5% Linux, which one would you try to hack to get into someones personal files?"
Yes, but you are only talking about Desktop market share. Which would you rather have, Grandma's personal files or Google's personal files? Sure, you might get lucky and they have their credit card numbers in a plain text file but people who have information that absolutely cannot be leaked or servers that they cannot afford to have taken down don't generally use Windows, and Apache has a greater "market share" than IIS ( actually it doesn't technically because there is no "market" for free software, which is why Microsoft loves to talk about "market share" in server software as that way they can count only Red Hat and Suse the likes and totally discount Debian FreeBSD etc ).
I agree that no software is 100% secure but the market share argument is complete BS. - inactive, on 10/12/2007, -2/+6@xchino,
Where are the exploits then?? You would think if there was something in the wild that was Vista specific we would have heard about it by now. In fact it would have been huge news in the Microsoft FUDosphere. In stead all we have is sales people for security software companies claiming it is insecure. No conflict of interest there!
Bill Gates even taunted the exploit makers. Where are the proof of concept exploits? I havent been able to find a single one.
So which is it xchino??? Is Vista secure right now becuase it has a tiny market share or is Vista really secure? Do you have some third option? - Phocion55, on 10/12/2007, -2/+5"Cool! Let them kill each other!"
-- naio21 in reply to http://www.digg.com/linux_unix/Linus_fires_latest_shot_in_GNOME_Wars
Takes a troll to know a troll. - tdawson2012, on 10/12/2007, -4/+7Amazing, software made by programmers, vulnerable to programmers...what kind of universe is this!!!!
- Phocion55, on 10/12/2007, -4/+7"Gates 'dares anybody' to exploit Vista."
http://blogs.zdnet.com/Apple/?p=422
Sounds fairly brazen to me.......this isn't a challenge?? - Darcy, on 10/12/2007, -1/+4@ crapsley, What the hell are you going on about? I've had a few drinks tonight so that might explain why your post makes zero sense to me, though I did get the general message, You're saying OSX is perfect in every way and Windows sucks in every way, OSX has zero virus's or spyware and windows has hundreds of thousands of millions, jobs is god and gates is the devil. Another words you're just another Apple fanboy.
- stephbu, on 10/12/2007, -1/+4Sorry but this is just plain lame... Overstated title, no substance in report other than the "bleeding obvious". This is little more than a promo blurb for some BS security company. Dugg-down...
- inactive, on 10/12/2007, -5/+8What??? havent you been reading about all the vista virii in the wild? Why Vista has been out almost a month now, and availabe for a year or so. You would think we would have heard about all the exploits by now.
Way I see it, it could be one of two things. Either there really is security in tiny market share, or Vista really is secure. In either case, it looks like Microsoft is taking a big old runny crap on all the FUDsters faces. - slaystench, on 10/12/2007, -0/+3Lies!
- Switch07, on 10/12/2007, -1/+4What is happening to digg lately? Some of these stories making the front page are becoming pathetic.
- Darcy, on 10/12/2007, -0/+3Crepsley, I've just noticed I spelled your name crapsley. I'm sorry, it wasn't intentional.
- superal1394, on 10/12/2007, -6/+9probably a whole lot of garbage that doesnt need to be there, a few rude comments, a number of government back doors, and the twisted spagetti that is win32
- umbriago, on 10/12/2007, -6/+9Seems like only Marc Maiffret, founder and chief hacking officer of eEye Digital Security has a bug up his butt. The MS guy and the other Aussie think it's a step forward.
Talk about your dumb names.
eEye? eEye? Oh. - Rethcir, on 10/12/2007, -0/+3So is Linux. Moving on...
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