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- Phocion55, on 10/10/2007, -10/+81The WTF Starts Now!
- argos42, on 10/10/2007, -9/+56"Wow, it finally compiles, lets ship it !"
- Phocion55, on 10/10/2007, -9/+46So...let me see if I am getting this correct.
People actually PAID for an operating system that:
1. Relies on external WGA servers to NOT cripple their system.
2. Experiences a degradation of network performance when listening to music.
Wow. Just.........wow. - wageslaven, on 10/10/2007, -5/+38Stop clicking the "Open CD Tray" button. PEBKAC.
- TritonX, on 10/10/2007, -10/+42$$$$$
- wageslaven, on 10/10/2007, -10/+39Ha, you know, it *is* a feature.
Insteda of reading this blogspam, here is the original article:
http://blogs.pcworld.com/staffblog/archives/005270.html
"Vista prioritizes media playback to try and make sure that your music and videos play smoothly even when your computer is busy. It's a nice feature I've written about previously, since without it, you can get annoying pauses and playback glitches if you're running many programs at once. "
"it's due to a bug that hits if you're on a high-speed (1Gb) local network and using a computer with multiple network interfaces - such as a laptop with wireless and wired connections."
"there’s an unfortunate bug in the NDIS throttling code that magnifies throttling if you have multiple NICs. If you have a system with both wireless and wired adapters, for instance, NDIS will process at most 8000 packets per second, and with three adapters it will process a maximum of 6000 packets per second. 6000 packets per second equals 9MB/s, a limit that’s visible even on 100Mb networks."
In Russinovich's testing, that translated to transfer rates of less than a third of what he got without WMP playing (6 percent throughput on a 1Gb network with WMP versus 20 percent throughput without).
The slowdown will still be noticeable but not as bad on a 100Mb network, he says. And even without the bug, the Vista feature when working normally will still throttle file transfers down to about 15 percent throughput on a 1Gb network.
But you shouldn't notice any slowdown for Internet downloads. Russinovich writes that "despite even this level of throttling, Internet traffic, even on the best broadband connection, won’t be affected. That’s because the multiplicity of intermediate connections between your system and another one on the Internet fragments packets and slows down packet travel, and therefore reduces the rate at which systems transfer data."
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So, about 0.000001% may encounter this bug. You must have a 1GB NIC with a 1GB network *and* a second interface running on the same machine. And you must be playing music while you are transfering files.
Yes, its an unfortunate bug.. but looking at the forum above, I think more people just want to pile on -- I'd wager that very few people in this forum would even encounter this minor issue. - inactive, on 10/10/2007, -4/+32Mine doesn't rely on WGA (nudge nudge wink wink).
- Slicebox, on 10/10/2007, -14/+41Just one more reason to never upgrade the OS my Windows XP machines.
- ventralnet, on 10/10/2007, -14/+39*insert windows bashing pro ubuntu statement here*
- schestowitz, on 10/10/2007, -4/+28Robert Love has explained the reason for this:
http://blog.rlove.org/2007/08/those-dang-dpcs-clogging-mmcss.html
Long story short -- the scheduler is a mess that replaces an ugly hack. - tripleplay369, on 10/10/2007, -12/+34Whenever I click the mouse in Vista the CD tray opens
- plizard, on 10/10/2007, -11/+31what bug? more like a microsoft windows vista feature
- Urgo, on 10/10/2007, -4/+22The Fix/Workaround can be found here: http://digg.com/microsoft/How_To_Fix_the_Vista_Network_Speed_Issue_While_Playing_Sound
- MagicCake, on 10/10/2007, -2/+14Why are you being buried? That's probably true. But then again, nobody cares because they read bad things about Vista that may or may not be true and that means Bill Gates is an *****. *sigh*
- infiniphunk, on 10/10/2007, -0/+11got this sudden disturbing image in my mind of old guys in the future still using XP, scary.
- Godlike, on 10/10/2007, -5/+14I have said it a million times... Vista is the ME of XP.
- jhaks, on 10/10/2007, -0/+9Here's Mark Russinovich's blog if you would rather read the actual post instead of an opinion on his post:
http://blogs.technet.com/markrussinovich/ - knightboat, on 10/10/2007, -1/+9Is Vista to blame for making you so strung out, or are you just naturally this hyperbolic and over-defensive?
- Tippis, on 10/10/2007, -2/+9Meh... same story everywhere really.
[insert favourite Linux distro] -> x.0 will hurt your brain, wait for x.1
Apple -> v1 will give you enough beachballs to keep China in stock for a year, wait for v2 (or 3 if you can).
MS -> SP1 or death, take you pick. - revjustin2, on 10/10/2007, -5/+12This is the most lucid comment I have read in this thread yet. If I could dig it twice, I would.
- SteveMax, on 10/10/2007, -0/+7"Someone who likes to play HD content on your computer"
Well, from the article, looks like you can only do so if you don't keep important tasks running on the network while you do so. You have to choose between the network and the media. - Sirocco, on 10/10/2007, -2/+8That's wonderful that it works for you. The problem is that people are calling an inconsistent OS perfectly fine when it obviously is not. People are having significant problems across the board and it's folly to ignore that.
- inactive, on 10/10/2007, -2/+8Could it be that someone is reporting our activity? Just wondering.
- ventralnet, on 10/10/2007, -10/+16I highly doubt gates has much say on the release dates of the software
- toast1226, on 10/10/2007, -0/+6...it's not a bug..... its a feature!
- lagrange, on 10/10/2007, -12/+18Mr Gates, after careful consideration I've come to the conclusion your new operating system sucks.
- pushmouse, on 10/10/2007, -3/+8Never?
- trogdoor, on 10/10/2007, -1/+6Yes you can, just because it's not included in the default install ( Because of horrible copyright laws in the U.S. ) doesn't mean that the codecs to play it are "third party".
- HisShadow, on 10/10/2007, -0/+5That's what he is telling you, yes.
- ventralnet, on 10/10/2007, -1/+5You are being dugg down also... But I dugg you my friend. FIGHT THE POWER!
- msgyrd, on 10/10/2007, -0/+4Wait...so you're completely satisfied that your networks speeds crap out when audo plays...even though ALL competing products are better than that? That's a fundamental system flaw, low level stuff that should be rock solid.
Thats pathetic you're happy with it. - vincefrancesi, on 10/10/2007, -2/+6http://forums.microsoft.com/TechNet/ShowPost.aspx?PostID=1358057&SiteID=17
He's not the only one... all of us are experiencing it... - minorthreat, on 10/10/2007, -3/+7um.. because your playing music? :)
- Greywhind, on 10/10/2007, -2/+6See, this is what I don't understand - Windows users who admit that they don't think Vista is worth upgrading to but would prefer to continue using an extremely outdated OS rather than switching to Mac or Linux.
Microsoft will eventually stop supporting XP, and Vista is not likely to improve much over time. Someday, you'll have to make a choice: continue to use a hopelessly outdated XP installation, "upgrade" to Vista, or move to Mac (if you prefer to take the easy but more expensive route) or Linux (free, powerful...).
It's going to happen someday - why not start learning about the options now so that eventually you can easily switch fully? - Azriel7, on 10/10/2007, -2/+6Ah, but you have forgotten the OTHER MS OS, Remember ME? Remember how HORRIBLE that was?
- ramsinks.com, on 10/10/2007, -0/+4lol, somebody uses Vista.
- Solkre, on 10/10/2007, -4/+8Ok, now install a program not from the Software Library
- colincornaby, on 10/10/2007, -1/+5My Mac OS X laptop can sustain very fast network copy speeds while playing an MP3 without chopping up. Are you telling me Windows Vista is coded so badly it can't do this?
- thewindfish, on 10/10/2007, -1/+5Maybe this is primarily a tech website? (Or a least a site that caters to people who are primarily techies)
- SteveMax, on 10/10/2007, -0/+4ME could be seen as a way to emphasize the suckiness of the 9x kernel, and pave the way for the NT kernel of 2000 and XP on the desktop. In a way, it was "good" for everybody: it was so bad that people who bought it with their computers had to upgrade to anything better, so in the end everybody got a better OS than ME (or even 98).
Now, is there a totally new kernel that Microsoft might be pushing in a couple of years? If so, then the strategy makes sense. If not, well... It might still push people to better OSs. Only Microsoft would lose something in that case. - Philluminati, on 10/10/2007, -1/+5Personally I see more people complaining about Vista than I do about people saying how wonderful it is.
"I'm sure this software I've been using without incident is in reality absolute *****"
- Your in the minority. For everyone else, yeah, read the comments, they ARE saying that in reality, it IS *****. - fusama, on 10/10/2007, -0/+4I've been using 64-bit Vista business and the only problem I've run into is a lack of free (as in beer) virtual machine software that will run on it reasonably (VirtualPC works but detects my core 2 quad as a 32 bit 'pentium 3 class' for an example of working but not reasonably. I want my linux virtual machine to see a 64 bit processor.). That said, I can't say I'd recommend it to nearly anyone. 'Quiet' (just the programs that always run running) it uses over 900 Megs of RAM, whereas my XP box is in the 200 Meg range. If I didn't have enough ram to require a 64 bit OS (and thus ram to throw away at vista bloat), I'd have dumped it and put on XP.
- skankwilsonite, on 10/10/2007, -2/+5Amen! I wish people would actually read the freaking article instead of only seeing Microsoft (oops, sorry...Micro$oft, right?) = bad. I love Russinovich's blog entries...he provides thorough and insightful articles while providing information about how he arrives at his conclusions.
- jamesfaction, on 10/10/2007, -0/+3Why I'm not in a hurry to install Vista:
http://www.cs.auckland.ac.nz/~pgut001/pubs/vista_cost.html
Vista has "content protection" software running constantly, using far more of your computer resources than it would otherwise to do even the simplest things, such as playing media files. No surprise that it interferes with network performance too. - o0joshua0o, on 10/10/2007, -6/+9I just installed Ubuntu for the first time last night, and it's freaking awesome. I really like the way it "feels", if you can understand what I mean. Everything is so responsive and elegant. It's hard to believe I can get an OS that's so much better than Vista absolutely free.
- Philluminati, on 10/10/2007, -1/+4how can you read the article and then say "No, Vista isn't to blame". WTF for crying out loud!
- TubaTechno, on 10/10/2007, -0/+3And then they turn around and don't give him credit for Halo 3.....wierd....
- Phocion55, on 10/10/2007, -1/+4The issue isn't necessarily with single large files. It's with a large amount of small files. Zipping, copying, emptying recycle bin are all considerably slow.
- jlebrech, on 10/10/2007, -0/+3When iD's Rage comes out, think of the low ping bastards running Linux.
- Philluminati, on 10/10/2007, -1/+4I dugg your first comment up because it makes sense. If you never noticed the problem then why is ever one in a hysterics about it? If you haven't noticed, why should it affect your view on the product? Your right to a certain degree, it shouldn't.
However you ask "how often are you copying giant files and also playing music and goddamn it you NEED that extra 10 mbps or whatever" and my reply is "what the hell else are you going to do why waiting for a large file to transfer? Sit and watch the progress bar, or bring your video back into the foreground to keep you entertained why you wait for the copy to finish?".
You need it all to work as fast as can be expected, together. This is a serious performance issue for an OS that claims to be ready for watching streaming media. I mean HELLO!!! STREAMING and MEDIA. -
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