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- zyklon, on 06/19/2009, -2/+45I'm fairly certain it's going to be a lot harder than he thinks to tackle Google. They've been trying for years to do it, but Google's too much of a juggernaut now. Hell, I didn't even hear about Bing until the other day.
- Tyrghast, on 06/19/2009, -21/+57*Apple Fanboys* rabble rabble rabble microsoft sucks rabble rabble
*Linux Fanboys* rabble rabble microsoft is evil rabble rabble rabble
*Normal People* Who gives a *****? - enantiodromia, on 06/19/2009, -2/+37Way to strike while the iron is hot, Ballmer.
- cyssero, on 06/19/2009, -2/+19Someone has always invented the same product before you did. Doesn't mean you can't (try to) do it better and be more successful. There were plenty of MP3 players before the iPod trotted along. Digital music distribution also existed before iTunes.
The Xbox consoles have done very well in a market where Sony practically dominated. The Zune is the only serious iPod competitor out there. Bing has gotten off to a good start. The Xbox took the gaming concept and tried something new (HDDs in all units), the Zune has WiFi sharing/syncing and Bing has some exclusive features too.
There's always room for improvement. Failing or succeeding, I commend them for their effort. - jerryjamesstone, on 06/19/2009, -44/+61I think they should use that money to make MS not suck ass
- kefkaantakrist, on 06/19/2009, -1/+15My thought: Google is 'good enough'. I can't imagine a traditional search engine being good enough to warrant a switch, ever. If anything will knock Google out of the search leader position it will be a web site that does other things besides traditional search, which is so compelling and useful that you end up using it all of the time, and search is built into it. Yahoo comes to mind, though Yahoo has obviously failed miserably in this regard.
Problem for MS is that Google has created a mature product - people are satisfied with it just the way it is. To win customers away from Google will take a search product that is more than 'just a little bit better'. It will take something completely new.
It's kinda like Apple trying to win customers from Windows. Windows is 'good enough' - it does what it is supposed to most of the time. Apple needs to make something that is so new and so different that people *HAVE* to pay attention and that's what they have tried to do with OS X. - howcansheslap, on 06/19/2009, -6/+19Meh, Microsoft is always trying the "me to" approach they don't really try to invent anything new. (Think Xbox, Zune, Bing etc.) They don't have the innovative/creative x factor to really compete with google, nintendo or apple. IMHO.
- cyssero, on 06/19/2009, -1/+14I preferred the days when Digg didn't have any normal people. They seem to be submitting the most annoying content.
- kefkaantakrist, on 06/19/2009, -1/+14Didn't MS sink $10 Billion into the gaming industry too?
- mohsenxp, on 06/19/2009, -17/+30I never realised being one of the world's largest companies was synonymous with sucking ass.
Being clueless about finance and making pointless comments on Digg however is probably more highly correlated with ass sucking. - mleaman, on 06/19/2009, -0/+12Something smells like Sony.
- ibeetle, on 06/19/2009, -4/+15Americans do not see it that way. Thanks to hyper-consumerism and marketing. If you are not number 1 with complete and total world domination you are nothing but a loser.
The Zune, the Palm Pre, and the Playstation 3 all make money for their manufactures. However, because they do not have the all important number 1 spot they are perceived as failures. - Twinnie, on 06/19/2009, -0/+9There's two kinds of people at Microsoft, the software guys and the money guys. I think the software guys are pretty cool, they've come up with some good stuff and you can tell that since they've been let loose on Internet Explorer it's become much better. The money guys are complete bastards who have no idea what they're doing, when they release a product all they see is a list of features and as far as they're concerned the longer the list the more money they'll make, who cares if it's a decent product. I also think the former get a hard time taking the stick for the latter. I'm pretty sure that Windows 7 is only turning out the way it is because the software guys united and stormed a boardroom with a Powerpoint presentation that would appear to have been crafted by God himself.
PS. Ballmer's a *****. The unique problem with Google is that people actually like them, and attacking them just makes MS look like the enemy. - zaferk, on 06/19/2009, -8/+17Hes probably a mac fanboy. The irony is, he does the boatload of the ass sucking whilst being totally unaware of it.
- Zippo, on 06/19/2009, -1/+9Balmer's a baboon. He's going to run the company into the ground.
- quinn351, on 06/19/2009, -5/+13How is this stupid? Each % of the search market is worth $1 billion so if they capture just 10% off Yahoo or Google it is easily worth it
- inactive, on 06/19/2009, -1/+9ahhhh yes, the sweet taste of normal people.
- ShuttleXpC, on 06/19/2009, -1/+9You're really believing Jeopardy and you're saying they have a survey already targeted at Bing when its been out for like 4 weeks? Seriously, no credible survey could take 2 weeks to compile.
- zeebo, on 06/19/2009, -3/+11Microsoft needs to stop messing around with other markets and start concentrating on their core competencies. I've had to use windows again recently at work, and for a product called 'windows' its window manager absolutely sucks. It seems to still be stuck in the notion of people with a single monitor running a single application maximized.
You can't drag maximized windows from one monitor to another. The window manager buttons aren't configurable and the arrangement is terrible (I don't know how many times I've closed a window I meant to maximize, or vice versa), There's no noticeable edge resistance for either the screen or other windows. There's no easy way to lower a window without minimizing it. Lastly the multiple desktop support provided you have the utility for it is an absolute joke. - zaferk, on 06/19/2009, -3/+11You are a sheep, not a ***** pseudo-cool hipster
- Manther, on 06/19/2009, -2/+9A couple of weeks on the market and you're declaring them the winner because they can find a random image??? I think it is you who is the fanboy, ShuttleXpC.
- Crewbie4life, on 06/19/2009, -1/+8Does bing's interface bother anyone else but me? I just don't find it that appealing. Simple is better. and Google is simple in this case.
- mohsenxp, on 06/19/2009, -0/+7Normal people are a rare breed on the internet. But a nice reminder that no matter what goes on in the internet comment world, the majority of the world doesn't give two *****.
- stutimandal, on 06/19/2009, -11/+18So if Apple invests to cross 10% point in OS sales, it is a great business venture. If Microsoft invests to cross 10% point in Search market, it is being dumb or nuts?
At least they are not asking the Government to bail them out for investing this money. - rblancarte, on 06/19/2009, -0/+6Ballmer is dangerous for MS. He so much wants for them to be dominant in any market they enter. And his drive for that could be a major detriment to MS in both the short and long terms.
MS needs someone like Gates at the helm, or at least in a major position of power, to balance out the win at all costs attitude of Ballmer. - mohsenxp, on 06/19/2009, -1/+7It's not even about Bing being better than Google. This is marketing we're talking about.
It's about Microsoft making people want to switch from Google.
Being better only matters if consumers a) know you're better and b) care that you're better.
When your competition's name is in the dictionary and means 'to search the internet' you've got a very steep hill to climb. - dazparkour, on 06/19/2009, -2/+8Yes it is. Apple has a hope of seeing returns. That is what people are implying.
However - I do see a gap in the market. Google is so full of spam these days or things that contain the words I want but not the context. Before I could get rid of discussions by -forum but now, people post guides in forums as locked threads so that no one can actually discuss it anyway so that is out.
Google is full of stuff I just don't want. I still use it as it's full of less I don't want. - roodammy44, on 06/19/2009, -2/+8"and that investment has yet to generate a single dollar of return"
Article is innacurate. There are plenty of MS online businesses that generate revenues, even profit.
They own mapping websites that sell maps, a large share of the online advertising market (advertising on digg no less!), they have a 10% search share and there are plenty of other online businesses. How about ciao, for example.
Just going on their acquisitions you can see that revenue, and even profit in some divisions, are being made. - tensionhead, on 06/19/2009, -7/+13Yeah, cause competition is ***** gay. Lets hope that all other companies put out utter crap so Apple can keep jacking prices up.
- dalittle, on 06/19/2009, -1/+7How is Ballmer able to keep his job. Is it only when Microsoft is in smoking ruins that he will be kicked out and a competent CEO be brought in?
- droplister, on 06/19/2009, -0/+5Search is a mix between a loss leader and market research. The ability to mine the data from billions of searches is invaluable.
- rblancarte, on 06/19/2009, -2/+7Yes, and they got very lucky that Sony and Nintendo gave them a year up on the latest generation of consoles. As well as the fact that Sony has yet to really capitalize on the fact that the PS3 is such a technical marvel and outside of a few games the Wii has yet to really capture the imagination (in terms of software).
And with all of that help, it STILL took them almost 2 YEARS to become profitable (first profits on their gaming division were the last quarter of 2008). - antdude, on 06/20/2009, -0/+5Bring back Bill Gates!
- nullcodes, on 06/19/2009, -3/+8Just ***** release a decent mobile phone OS .. is that too hard to ask for?
- Billions, on 06/19/2009, -1/+5Not too enchanted with Bing, myself. I forget to use it, and when I do, I still have the urge to Google stuff just to make sure I saw more options. But I do use it occasionally for image searching, since you can just scroll on like a ***** without having to click to each next page.
- MtheoryX, on 06/20/2009, -0/+4"Nobody forces you to do so."
True. But in many places you will lose your job if you refuse to use the approved applications. - zigurd, on 06/19/2009, -0/+4quinn351 is correct. Of all the things Microsoft can spend billions to get, a significant share of the search business is one that will actually build shareholder value.
It's only unfashionable because Yahoo (and Microsoft, and Altavista, and Lycos, and...) blew it.
Bing doesn't suck. And the worst thing Microsoft could do is say "Bing is OK, let it earn it's keep now." which would doom it to the same fate as every other losing search engine. - zero21xxx, on 06/19/2009, -0/+4$10 billion is the new $20 bucks.
- theOster, on 06/19/2009, -6/+10*Normal People* How do I open a PDF in Word?
- luchid, on 06/19/2009, -3/+7"Try searching some random image"
That's the only thing Bing is -marginally- better at. - bringinSXEback, on 06/19/2009, -5/+8According to Thursdays Jeopardy, 8 out of 10 MS employees use Google over MSN or Bing. Same scenario happened when the iPod first became popular, and MS sent out memos "frowning upon" the huge iPod user group within the company.
- pinetree, on 06/19/2009, -1/+4"he is willing to invest 5%-10% of Microsoft's operating income over the next five years on search"
Sadly, all of that money will be spent on advertising Bing, rather than improving it. - jakem1, on 06/19/2009, -0/+3Hang on a second. What exactly did any of those companies invent for the first time? Google didn't invent online search. Nintendo didn't invent video games. Apple didn't invent MP3 players. None of them have created new markets either although I will admit that Apple got into both the PC and the MP3 player games pretty early on.
You guys need to calm down a little. The Google that you all feel the need to defend is at best just as "bad" as Microsoft and at worst a lost worse. Google have one product (search) that they developed themselves. Every other product has been bought from someone else. Sound familiar? And while you blindly support Google you are creating a monster that has access to all sorts of personal information you might not want them to have. Are you certain they're such nice guys? What if they treated American users like they treat their Chinese users? - dogstylee, on 06/19/2009, -1/+4Does anyone else think Ballmer looks like Detective Taggart from Beverly Hills Cop?
- mason092, on 06/19/2009, -2/+5What are you doing here? Steve Jobs is waiting for his fellatio.
- user78, on 06/19/2009, -0/+3i think he is nuts, for Microsoft this company is not the company that has run in the past by Bill Gates the man who can make Operating Systems perfect but now that's all gone thanks to Steve Ballmer who has failed with WinME, WinVista and possible Win7, it is time to remove Steve Ballmer and replace with a person who knows and work with Bill Gates in the past so the company can be open more and successful again with positive thinking this time. With this Negative thinking of Steve Ballmer, I am afraid he will lose more than $10 billion dollars or his company!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
- Friendlyhazard, on 06/19/2009, -0/+3A: Where did you find information on X?
B: i Binged it
-_- - gigitrix, on 06/19/2009, -0/+3i've heard of these "Normal People"...
and notice there are no "Microsoft Fanboys" on your list! - oblivinated, on 06/19/2009, -3/+6No *****, it didn't even come out until the other day.
- dazparkour, on 06/19/2009, -2/+4Look - "virtually limitless"? Are you serious? The list of modifiers with an explanation for each fits on one page.
The problem is that:
When does the world end?
and
It does when the world ends.
Is the same to google because it doesn't index words like "it" and it counts "ends" and "end" as the same.
Yes, you could put "end" in quotes and that fixes this one specific problem I just mentioned - but it was only an example and I admit, not a very good one.
I could even put the whole sentence in quotes but then I miss out so much information from people who use slightly different terms.
Google understands the words you type and the maths you apply to it - you can say "Can't include this word" "these two words must be together".
If you have one word with two or three meanings, you can't separate that into three searches.
You cannot tell it to ignore sarcastic results, results that are just jokes, results that are opinion, results that did not cite a source (You could try searching for the word cite - and that will help, do it now, it's a good idea - but it is not the silver bullet of search).
All these things are places where advancements could happen.
I have trouble explaining to elderly relatives why they should add "-porn" to some searches, stick two terms in quotes and not others - it works for us because this is our bread and butter, but to say there is no room for improvement or that Google's search results are not getting progressively worse as SEO techniques get better is blatant ignorance. -
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