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- blizzok, on 10/12/2007, -2/+46Well, yea... But where the hell did that come from?
- shawnanigans, on 10/12/2007, -2/+23He probably just got sued.
- sid0, on 10/12/2007, -5/+22Of course every router will work fine if you use ethernet exclusively. Some routers have support for other features (UPnP) that others don't. It's not a question of 'compatibility' per se, it's a question of extra features.
RTFA. - salmonmoose, on 10/12/2007, -0/+9Or, apparently, a dictionary.
- shaolinpunks, on 10/12/2007, -16/+24I'm very confused..
I read the article.
WHY does windows need it's own tool to make sure your router works.
Shouldn't any router be just fine?
seriousness what did Microsoft "create" that doesn't work with routers?
Was all that studying of the OSI model completely stupid in the eyes of Microsoft? - sid0, on 10/12/2007, -0/+7And a good grammar course, too.
- TroubleInMind, on 10/12/2007, -8/+14All my routers have minds of their own and don't need advice from Redmond.
- Psykus2, on 10/12/2007, -3/+8"Some routers have support for other features (UPnP) that others don't."
Which works perfectly fine in XP, so I don't see a point in having a Windows Vista upgrade tool to determine it? - sid0, on 10/12/2007, -2/+7I was only giving UPnP as an example because a lot of people know about it. There are several new features in TCP/IP in Vista, and not all routers support them.
@people who bash MS just to be cool: The door's there. GTFO. - slaystench, on 10/12/2007, -1/+5Like sid0 said, there are many new internet features with vista, and personally my internet speeds suffer when I try to use them.
Why bury him? Because of your ignorance? - crbaker, on 10/12/2007, -0/+4After installing Vista on my laptop I discovered that it is incompatible with my NetGear ADSL modem. I kid you not, I brought the modem only 2 months before Vista was launched. After a quick search on NetGear's site I discovered that the particular modem has been discontinued and no further BIOS updates would be provided. It's a known issue that it has problems with Vista's network stack.
WTF. - MioTheGreat, on 10/12/2007, -0/+4Maybe an XP box, but there haven't been any remote exploits for Vista. Which, consideing XP's track record, is pretty good for an OS that is already 6 months old.
- hmemcpy, on 10/12/2007, -1/+5@ SubZ3r0
So what your sayeing is that vista should of been discontinue?! - sid0, on 10/12/2007, -0/+4You're a crock of *****. Better learn to read. Blocked.
- sapientuk, on 10/12/2007, -1/+4This test isn't particularly good, I tried it on my home network, my router runs FreeBSD. Apparently it doesnt support UPnP (Which it does), doesnt do NAT (Which it blatently does), doesnt support TCP High Performance (Although I can max out my connection quite easily), and doesnt support ECN. Whatever that is.
- soapergem, on 10/12/2007, -1/+4I have my XP machine plugged into one router (with DHCP disabled) which is plugged into another router (with DHCP enabled). I think that was enough to break the tool, because although the router is definitely capable of all of these features, this tool just told me it couldn't do about half of them. Once again, Microsoft releases a product that isn't functionally complete. Although kudos to them for coming up with something that isn't just a blatant rip off of existing software. *cough cough*windows*cough*live maps*cough*live mail*cough* Excuse me.
- 5thcolumnist, on 10/12/2007, -3/+5Older routers may not support some features, read the comment section below the article for more details on the reason behind the need for such a tool. I myself, am happy with my XP, yes, I also use an Apple so let us not even go there. Any network tool which helps a user better understand the equipment in which they are using is a good thing. For IIS server arrays I can clearly see that advantage of this software, home users perhaps not as much, but still it is only a tool.
Just some thoughts,
From a tech in the field. - lowbot, on 10/12/2007, -0/+2>seriousness what did Microsoft "create" that doesn't work with routers?
Lots. Look at the failure of windows netmeeting. MS released a free voice/video/blackboard client in 98 (earlier?) but due mostly to connectivity issues (broad range of ports needed to be open) it went unused and only recently have IM client begun to take up voice and video. MS now is launching windows meeting space, which seems like a netmeeting 2. MS even mentions meeting space on the tools website, but im guessing you didnt bother to RTFAs.
There is absolutely no shortage of people with routers that dont do upnp. Or people who have a wireless router plugged right into a DSL router thus double-natting themselves in. Or people with crappy 200-300k dsl lines sold to them as 'broadband.' Or people with connections with 10-20% dropped packets. Or people with dial-up who think its broadband. Or people on wifi which drops packets left and right, but is unnoticable when they are doing simple web surfing. Or people with using EVDO and other wireless wan technologies that might be too slow and packet lossy. etc. etc. etc.
What MS is doing is releasing a free tool so people can gauge what kind of connection they have. Chronic complainers and conspiracy theorists will of course find a problem with this. In the real world, its probably a handy thing for novices and even many 'experts' I tend to meet. - Stonekeeper, on 10/12/2007, -0/+2So not content with forcing users to have to upgrade their HW with each release, they're now in bed with the network companies to sell more network boxen? Ouch!
- justnick, on 10/12/2007, -0/+2actually, some routers didn't work so well with ubuntu 6.10. The ipv6 caused a problem and slowed internet traffic to a crawl. Fiesty seemed to fix that, at least for my router anyways. For your information, I am using a Belkin wireless router. My works D-Link never had a problem with it though.
- chingy1788, on 10/12/2007, -2/+3There are two views here
Vista is Good
and
Vista is "Good"
After reading comments, this will just become a debate on wheter vista sux or is good...
This tool only works for IE7 apparently
The tool checks whether or not your router support's Vista's new features not whether or not your router is supported by Vista at all - lowbot, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1>Or just use linux
Linux is just a kernal. It doesnt bundle in windows meeting space and other apps. it doesnt bundle in a web browser. etc. MS does all these things. They have a huge incentive to do their best to inform users about their network connection.
Now lets look at your distribution. Now lets look at your apps. Oh look there's an IM client that needs port xyz open for file transfers. Give this to grandma. How is she going to figure this out?
Exactly. - Adam420, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1timungaro...exact same thing happening with me, left it on for awhile, tried scrolling up and down it, tried unchecking/checking box nothing worked.
-edit
was using firefox, switched to IE, worked - zhulien, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1hmmm, gotta buy windows 9x or xp for my mac to test if vista networking will work...
- xXShadowstormXx, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1[bury me]
- sid0, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1Maybe you'd show yourself to be less of a moron if you actally READ THE ARTICLE AND COMMENTS.
- OBKenobi, on 10/12/2007, -1/+1I'd hate to see a router that DOESN'T support those basic features they tested.
- oxnyx, on 10/12/2007, -0/+0The basic idea is not for the Tech-geek but for the home user who is *basicly* clueless. I use to work Tech Support for MS with Networking. Any home user case I saw was titled "Can't Surf the Internet". It's hard then you might think to get some people in there 70s (they often where, they told us so) to type ping into the command line. Before you say well why didn't you just remote into there computer, we couldn't because the internet was down. The tool just runs ping, dns, and upnp test. IE any router should be able to do it that is working.
- reevolutn, on 10/12/2007, -12/+12your ignorant, vista has added features that your router may not be able to utilise
- CarzorStelatis, on 10/12/2007, -1/+1Hmm. Vista needs a special 'configuration tool' to check if 'your router can take advantage of the special features of Windows Vista'. In other words, not only does Vista not work with most wireless adapters, it even has trouble connecting to standardised network equipment such as routers.
- timungaro, on 10/12/2007, -0/+0My "continue" button is grayed out, and I can't even run the damn thing. It won't let me click it, even after I unchecked and checked the License Agreement box. Weird.
- beatthebox, on 10/12/2007, -1/+1vista and internet connectivity just haven't been working well together... in Australia several telco's don't offer support for broadband as they havent had time to test it and distribute updated installation discs
- dgr814vr, on 10/12/2007, -3/+2Ok I need some Clarification what is Live Mail a Rip off of. If any thing they have copied it from Outlook Web Access which Yahoo seems to have copied and OWA was providing a pretty good interface even before gmail came along.
- kingp, on 10/12/2007, -3/+2I had to digg this guy up, even though his comment has nothing to do with the article. C'mon...digg him up!
- kheldorin, on 10/12/2007, -1/+0They stated that that ECN is disabled by default. So if you had passed the test, this steps will help you enable it.
Winkey
cmd
ctrl+shift+enter
netsh interface tcp set global ecncapability=enabled - Buelldozer, on 10/12/2007, -12/+10Second.
WTF? Why should I need to worry whether my OS is compatible with my ROUTER?!?!
The two of them are entirely separate things and assuming they both understand TCP/IP and feature Ethernet hookups that should be the extent of my worries. - Ngai, on 10/12/2007, -7/+4I encrypt every single "bit" of my dayta.
FCKMKR$FT
(a "bit" of sarcasm) - inactive, on 10/12/2007, -8/+5Why do you digg him down? Just try it. Put an unpatched windows box on the internet without a NAT router. Within an hour a bot will scan your ip, notice that all your ports are wide open and infect your machine.
- astrotrain, on 10/12/2007, -6/+3And why would you want UPnP to access the outside world... thats just giving the fox the key to the hen house.
The [Sad] thing about this, is that the computer challenged, will fall for this, and end up buying a router that is
compatible with Vista. I wonder which router company Microsoft decided to be there buddy in this scam. - yoyar, on 10/12/2007, -4/+1> vista has added features that your router may not be able to utilise
What a crock of *****!
I never, ever, have to think about whether my OS and my router will work together. Everything just works. If my OS couldn't work with my router I'd throw the OS in the garbage where it belongs. Any piece of software that ***** up because of the router is *****. Typical Micro-$oft garbage. - ViceVirtue, on 10/12/2007, -8/+5Who cares if it supports uPnP or not? (and that's basically the only true variable in that test - and the result more likely that uPnP is *disabled*, and actually supported)
That shouldn't be the decider of the question "Should I upgrade to Windows Vista?."
What should be is "Am I retarded?" - natenovs, on 10/12/2007, -6/+2borchard76
what do you think vista's code base is? the answer is windows server 2003. IIS7, configured right, on vista is perfectly safe for a personal server.
i agree though, if youre managing a large scale webserver you have no business doing it from a home computer. no server should have internet explorer, or firefox on it. period. - borchard76, on 10/12/2007, -12/+6Um, it's farking VISTA--if you're running IIS on Vista (other than in a sandbox for testing purposes only), then you need to be shot. This is NOT an OS for servers. Please, don't tell me that there are people that are doing that. It's just....frightening.
If you need a server, and you MUST run IIS, then please at least use a server OS, such as Windows Server 2003, which is reasonably good (is there a newer one out yet? I'm a bit behind). Next you'll tell me that some idiot is using Windows ME as a server. Sheesh, some people! - quazywabbit, on 10/12/2007, -13/+7There is the Real way, and the Microsoft way of doing things, one should pick one or the other but never both.
- ahmedkamel, on 10/12/2007, -7/+1Glad to see that my Linksys WRT54G passed the tests :)
see http://www.microsoft.com/windows/using/tools/igd/moreinfo.mspx for details regarding the tests; and NOT all routers are the SAME, trust me. - colincornaby, on 10/12/2007, -12/+5"If you're a user considering an upgrade to Windows Vista, but are concerned about your router's ability to take advantage of certain Vista features..."
Put my Windows box on the internet? Hahaha. Yeah... like that's happening... - DeFex, on 10/12/2007, -14/+7if they can send information to the RIAA and MPAA without you being able to block it. then it is "compatible"
- filefly, on 10/12/2007, -18/+9I'll know my internet connection is working when my Vista box shuts down all by itself.
- inactive, on 10/12/2007, -13/+4Or just use linux. Works with my router, no testing needed.
- SubZ3r0, on 10/12/2007, -19/+2im tired of hearing bout vista microsoft should discountinue it no one cares windows xp was good windows vista is gay if I keep hearing bout lame vista crap im gonna switch to mac os x. Vista was hot for a second I been there used it and the capability sucks. Save the vista stories for slashdot cause I dont read there stuff.
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