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- inactive, on 10/12/2007, -19/+74Welcome to more Linux incompatibility.
- inactive, on 10/12/2007, -12/+39They are releasing a Windows and Mac version, but no Linux version was announced. And as for who gives a crap, I would say a very high percentage of the geek population. I personally use a Mac the most (Ubuntu Linux at other times) and I don't want anyone to be excluded from anything for wanting to try something new and exiting.
- jeffgtr, on 10/12/2007, -11/+35As if IE wasn't enough to muck up the web, now we have this. Oh the humanity!
- inactive, on 10/12/2007, -7/+23Isn't Linux itself a collaborative project?
- SEMW, on 10/12/2007, -2/+16You have to actually, you know, *download Silverlight* before the Sliverlight examples will work. Just like flash.
- bobmcsmith, on 10/12/2007, -5/+17Nobody said Microsoft doesn't want to make money...after Mac OS X, the next most popular browser platform is the mobile phone. If Linux was a big enough market and they could actually make money, don't you think they would support it?
@rasterbator: Visual Studio is Windows-only, but you can use a Text editor on a Mac to do all the development if you want. Eventually I'm sure there will be plenty of third-party editors. Plus you can debug it while its running on the Mac (though that does require a Windows system) - MioTheGreat, on 10/12/2007, -7/+17Any developer who has looked into WPF instantly knows a great deal about how Silverlight works, and with the 1.1 alpha, any .NET developer can do it.
I've been learning WPF on and off (College leaves no free time....), and I personally like it. - kris33, on 10/12/2007, -0/+10PDF is an ISO-standard now, anyone can create apps that use and creates PDF-documents.
- xXShadowstormXx, on 10/12/2007, -8/+17According to Ars Technica, Silverlight is easier to develop for than Flash is.
- Chandon, on 10/12/2007, -1/+10Archer1980: The difference between GNU/Linux distributions is trivial. Hell, the difference between GNU/Linux, Solaris, and *BSD is trivial. Unlike Windows and Mac OS X which are utterly incompatible with everything else in the world, the Unixish standard of POSIX+Gtk allows for applications that run pretty much anywhere.
- HerrEisenheim, on 10/12/2007, -3/+12By "any OS" you mean Mac OS and Windows, right? Because that's all that are listed there. That's not called "any." That's called "two."
And by "any browser" I hope you also mean "three", because it's only supported on IE, Firefox, and Safari. - rasterbator, on 10/12/2007, -7/+16The problem with Silverlight is that the development must be done on a Windows box. THe cross-platform ***** is just for the end user experience. This is in direct competition with Adobe Apollo, right?
- HerrEisenheim, on 10/12/2007, -1/+9@Archer1980
Apple doesn't create proprietary web frameworks, last I checked. Even their web browser engine is open source. - JorgeGT, on 10/12/2007, -1/+9An easy to draw / remember / identify logo it has, eh?
- ohthehumanity, on 10/12/2007, -4/+12You called ?
- clubby, on 10/12/2007, -1/+9@Archer1980:
"... the only reason linux created apps work cross platform is because they are based on Java ..."
No. Although you can write Java programs under Linux, you can also write programs in other languages that will run because their supporting libraries have Windows versions available, and they can be re-compiled. 99% of Linux software has nothing whatsoever to do with Java. In general, however, a compiled linux application will not run under Windows at all unless VMs are involved. - tkambler, on 10/12/2007, -3/+10For a company that can't get their own damn web browser to work properly, this seems like a bit of a stretch.
- eadatre, on 10/12/2007, -7/+14Have you noticed that the site doesn't render correctly in ie6?
It is fine in Opera, Firefox, IE7 and I imagine safari...
Go microsoft! - samdu, on 10/12/2007, -3/+10Meh.
- HardBap, on 10/12/2007, -1/+8@kris33
Silverlight (formally WPF/E) is competition for Flex/Flash *IN* the browser
WPF is competition for Apollo *OUTSIDE* the browser.
A slight but important distinction. - MioTheGreat, on 10/12/2007, -4/+10Works fine in Firefox and IE7 for me.
- kris33, on 10/12/2007, -2/+8You obviously hasn't heard of Adobe Apollo. According to wikipedia it is:
"a cross-OS runtime that allows developers to employ their existing web development skills (Flash, Flex, HTML, Ajax) to build and deploy desktop Rich Internet Applications."
It is a direct competitor to Silverlight. - crazybrit, on 10/12/2007, -0/+6No Linux plugin... lame. They bill it as being cross-platform when it's just another attempt to lock people into products that MS approves of.
- Topher06, on 10/12/2007, -0/+5No linux support? Like every other f*ing thing, Linux gurus can write the support themselves.
- defibrillator, on 10/12/2007, -1/+6Don't worry.. Silverlight is not SEO friendly.
So, it's not going to be any more popular than Flash is. At the end of the day, real sites will still always be HTML. - arr3n, on 10/12/2007, -1/+6http://news.com.com/8301-10784_3-9714669-7.html
Mono says Linux Silverlight by end of year. - CraigJ, on 10/12/2007, -2/+6I installed it on Vista (firefox), and some of the examples are just white boxes, others seem to work fine...
- coryjb, on 10/12/2007, -1/+5There is no way in hell I'm installing that on my Mac. I'd wait a good three years before it's ready for prime-time use and some of the bugs are fixed.
- kris33, on 10/12/2007, -16/+20I hope Adobe wins this battle. They are not as evil, and releases development tools for both Windows and OS X. They also embrace OSS with Apollo and Flex!
Microsoft should focus on supporting CSS instead of trying to revolutionize the web! - mephitix, on 10/12/2007, -2/+5For everyone crying about Silverlight not being on Linux:
http://news.com.com/8301-10784_3-9714669-7.html
It's a wonder what Google can do, eh? ;] - inactive, on 10/12/2007, -4/+7It works fine in "my" firefox 2.
- offwhite, on 10/12/2007, -1/+4I saw the site when it first went online and so far I am not really impressed. But I may not have had the full version of Silverlight on my machine. When I went to the Microsoft navigation sample it was just a large JPEG image that did nothing. It gave me the impression that Silverlight did not do anything which I know is not true. This site really falls flat on that regard. I am waiting on some actually practical examples.
- EtherGnat, on 10/12/2007, -3/+6No problems in Firefox 2.0.0.3 here. I tried every example on the "Top Rated" page and all rendered identically in FF and IE7.
- rssej, on 10/12/2007, -4/+7@gilbes, youre an idiot.
- MioTheGreat, on 10/12/2007, -0/+2"And also looks like you'll need to install .NET framework to develop desktop apps."
And, uh, dare I ask, what's wrong with that? - mephitix, on 10/12/2007, -0/+2"Under about:plugins in Firefox, Silverlight is not listed. Figures..."
Weird, it works perfectly for me in IE and Firefox. I don't see it in about:plugins but it does show WPFe, which I'm assuming is Silverlight? - peterjhill, on 10/12/2007, -5/+7Horrible... The trailer was super jerky. I am at a university and have plenty of bandwidth. With quicktime, it might stop if it ran out of buffer, but it would wait until it had enough data to not be annoying. Stopping once per couple of seconds for a half a second is terrible.
On the MS homepage, if you click on the "download software" link, or something like that, a silverlight window pops up with a scroll bar, but it is not smart enough to allow my scroll wheel on my mouse to scroll that window separately. Perhaps this is a safari issue. Nope, firefox behaves the same way. Seems like something they could have done. - rssej, on 10/12/2007, -1/+3sorry that i didnt design a website for your cellphone. some sites, especially sites designed for entertainment where clients may want something nonlinear, are best designed via flash. I dont think the works of Yugo Nakamura could be replicated in CSS and Ajax alone.
- inactive, on 10/12/2007, -4/+6 I was able to watch it with Firefox.
- armbar, on 10/12/2007, -2/+4Silverlight's not really a direct competitor to Flash, which is more about animations and vector drawing. It competes with Flex (which is open source and free now, by the way) and to some degree, Apollo.
That said, Ars Technica is not drawing a valid comparison anyway; who's to say that coding in an ECMAScript variant is harder than .NET? It just depends on what you're used to. - bobmcsmith, on 10/12/2007, -3/+5Working great in FF 2.0 for me
- Herolint, on 10/12/2007, -2/+3@xXShadowStormXx
Which doesn't seem to matter at all unless you are running Windows, which is why Flash will continue to win. As long as Microsoft ties everything they make together, they won't be able to reach as many customers as Adobe can. - geoken, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1The funniest thing is when you actually visit metaliq's site they have a bunch of Flash based apps that seem to be visually and functionally identical to the Silverlight app they built.
- djg38, on 10/12/2007, -1/+2This 80,000 full time employee company where the IE team is not the Silverlight team is probably busy at work on IE8, although even that as a priority is questionable when technologies like this take focus away from the browser. Any old container will work -- the real fun stuff is going to reside in the Silverlight code.
- flag564, on 10/12/2007, -2/+3Wow, Im glad the usual crowd has showed up to show just how much they love the free market.
The truth is that the only thing that is on display here is the typical "It's from Microsoft, so I hate it" bias that make some of you look petty and not very serious. Dont like Silverlight? Dont use it. But let the web public see if it is something that makes their web use better.
People may actually take to it, just like they did with Flash, and Java. - SEMW, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1Yesm WPF/E is Silverlight.
- rssej, on 10/12/2007, -1/+2I'll give you that. The reader is probably my least favorite of Adobe main apps. I use my mac more than my pc, so i tend to just use preview, which is one of the most underrated apps out there. Its a shame that a solid format like pdf is terribly represented in the reader. Thats a problem adobe should address. Across teh adobe line, i find their products, though not the easiest, more intuitive then MS, though they have become better but still a tad disappointing.
- SEMW, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1IE for Mac was killed when Steve Jobs decided to make his own browser (Safari) instead and bundle it with the OS. Ditto WMP & iTunes.
This is not an unprecedented situation: Microsoft bundling IE with Windows was what killed off Netscape. - simpleid, on 10/10/2007, -0/+1maybe they're addressing their long standing computability issues with this? :-|
- kris33, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1Thanks for the information! :)
I guess the term "build and deploy desktop Rich Internet Applications" confused me -
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