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- flashcat7777, on 07/13/2009, -2/+28FTA: An alternative, and perhaps even cleaner, would be to install the Windows 7 RC first. That requires a fresh install, anyway. Then you can install the Windows 7 release on top of the RC.
Buried... that's simply not true. I installed the RC right over my copy of Vista, and I will not be able to upgrade to the release version when it comes out. - Mooky555, on 07/13/2009, -17/+40Or I could just pirate it...
- Frixionburne, on 07/13/2009, -3/+23The full version will most likely cost approximately 4 hours....
Depending on your ISP. - roxgod666, on 07/13/2009, -3/+20The ***** netbook version is coming out next year, no one knows when the actual version is coming out. Plus, they are really putting an emphasis on it being "web-based". I really don't want my OS to lose half its functionality when there's a thunderstorm. People are also saying it's more of a secondary OS rather an entire replacement.
- FountainDew, on 07/13/2009, -0/+14Sorry, I'm not tech savvy in the least, but I have a question. Has it been confirmed that this method will NOT work with the Windows 7 upgrade?
1) On a clean HDD, install Trial version of Windows 7 from upgrade CD.
2) Boot into Windows.
3) Run CD and choose to Upgrade Trial version to Release using the purchased license.
4) Boot into Windows again.
Result: Full version of Windows 7 is installed? - Lane, on 07/13/2009, -2/+16Seems like a lot of speculation in this article, certainly no one has their hands on the final build, and until then I will keep on with the plan to buy my very first legit copy of windows. I have loved the beta, I think microsoft has finally done well and had earned my student discounted $35 fair and square.
- Apollo11, on 07/13/2009, -0/+14Read the comments to the article. The article writer is misinformed about the upgrade process.
In fact, the full and upgrade media will be exactly the same. Only how the license keys are handled will be different. And once you tie your upgrade key to your old license key, it will be treated like a full license key on Microsoft's servers.
Of course this does invalidate your old license key... - UselessTrivia, on 07/13/2009, -0/+11This article ***** blows. Does he have anything to back this up? Who confirmed this? A microsoft press release? An engineer?
Have they tried Vista's hack-around method to be sure it doesn't still work? Can I upgrade an upgrade?
All this guy does is bitch and complain and offer no substantive information. Buried. - TriNiiTy, on 07/13/2009, -3/+14ARGHH
Yee have a point thar matee! - Apollo11, on 07/13/2009, -0/+10The link you provided has nothing to do with the full version of Windows 7. You posted the FAQ to the RC (Release Candidate) of Windows 7. You know, the test version that Microsoft gave out for free.
We're talking about the version that you have to pay for and how the PAID license keys will be handled by Microsoft. - venom8599, on 07/13/2009, -3/+13Where Windows is concerned, a clean install is always better than an upgrade install.
- phyx726, on 07/13/2009, -0/+10What if you have windows XP?
- FieldAnonymouse, on 07/13/2009, -0/+9Then you get to use the upgrade media, but are forced to do a clean install anyway.
Woe of woes. - Gizza, on 07/14/2009, -1/+10I find it odd that people will buy a $60 game that lasts 6 hours without complaint. But complain about a $200 OS that will probably be used at least 6 hours a day for the next 5 years.
- undercoverDrunk, on 07/13/2009, -1/+9Complete lack of information.
Move along, nothing to see here. - archer75, on 07/13/2009, -0/+7OSX Leopard and Vista. Same machine. Vista for me is noticeably more responsive and faster than OSX in most tasks. Windows 7 is faster still.
- Apollo11, on 07/13/2009, -2/+9This guy doesn't know what he's talking about. The upgrade version will invalidate your old key. That old OS will no longer validate so it's actually useless when needing to reinstall. Just use the Windows 7 media with the new license key that you received if you want to reinstall. The license key will have been validated on your old OS license key on their servers.
Think of it as an "Upgrade" to your license.
This article is just spreading misinformation. - jemka, on 07/13/2009, -0/+6@GoodbyeGOP,
Don't you just hate when companies don't streamline your pirating process? - ratherstupid, on 07/13/2009, -2/+8Buried. Microsoft has explicitly stated that you will not be able to do an in-place upgrade when migrating from XP to 7. If you can't do an in-place upgrade and (according to this guy) you can't do a clean install -- what option do you have left?
So yeah, he's wrong. - MyTakes, on 07/13/2009, -0/+6You can buy the full version on Steam for $19.99, only this weekend though!
- pandorazboxx, on 07/13/2009, -1/+7from the microsoft website:
"Can I upgrade from the RC to the final version of Windows 7?
When you install the final version of Windows 7, you'll need to do a clean installation. So plan on backing up your data then reinstalling your applications and restoring your data. "
http://www.microsoft.com/windows/windows-7/faq.asp ... - brokenyoyo, on 07/13/2009, -0/+6Anyone know his sources?
- Spire3660, on 07/13/2009, -4/+10$199 - Win 7 home
$299 - Win7 pro
$329 - Win 7 Ultimate.
Insultingly high priced. I can buy a whole ***** computer for less. - venom8599, on 07/13/2009, -0/+6Actually, according to everything I've read, all Windows 7 discs will be full install discs. The key then determines how the setup routine functions (The edition installed, upgrade vs full, etc...)
- SilentSpyder, on 07/13/2009, -6/+11How much is the full version? The more and more I read about the upgrade, the less and less I want to buy it.
- EGamble, on 07/13/2009, -0/+5Does anyone know how you can upgrade from windows 7 RC1? I installed the windows 7 RC1 over my legit windows vista business install, not thinking about the upgrade path from Windows 7 RC 1. Am I going to have to reinstall vista, then upgrade to windows 7?
- MScrip, on 07/13/2009, -2/+7I think I'm just gonna pony up the dough and buy the full Windows 7 Home Premium for $200. I'm sick of messing around with cracked copies.
If I will use Windows 7 for as long as I used XP... it's money well spent! - inactive, on 07/13/2009, -0/+5Does not surprise me in the slightest.
- wolfing, on 07/13/2009, -0/+5I'd rather pay $500 than $1500 for the same hardware components, but thanks anyway
- wisedude, on 07/13/2009, -14/+19Well, some bad news had to come out considering all the positive coverage Windows 7 has been getting lately. I guess I'm back to torrenting my operating system.
- chriswastaken, on 10/27/2009, -0/+5@goodbyeGOP
The idea behind testing a RC (which btw isn't a "for production environment" release) is trying to make the most out of the time before an OS is released to get used to it or find flaws which are problems in your software.
Just because you signed up for a RC and thought it was your free copy of Windows doesn't make me sorry for you.
/rant - lexbaby, on 07/13/2009, -0/+4Agreed. Who would think you could purchase an upgrade version of Windows and install it on a version of Windows you never paid for? If this was true, it would be a HUGE loophole on MSFT's part.
- theonlywizdum, on 07/14/2009, -0/+4you mean $50, right?
- palehorse864, on 07/13/2009, -0/+4I'm not even sure why Microsoft would require this, apart from the "They're Microsoft" line. It's not like they gain any profit by you installing your old OS first. I remember you had to do this with the win95 - 98 upgrade editions and it was always a hassle. You had to install the OS twice before you could use it and hope all the old drivers were swapped out. Why not just verify both license keys and install one over the top of the other.
Maybe if Microsoft makes their deal with colleges again I can pick up some there. - alexwitter, on 07/13/2009, -6/+10Great, Good Job Microsoft. so instead of taking $20, $50 or even the $100 i would pay for a full copy (or a reasonable method to do a clean update) know you get nothing, and pirating continues in full force. brilliant. its not like you guys really need the money anyways, right.
- ScientistBlah, on 07/13/2009, -9/+13These comments suck.
- FiniteDream, on 07/13/2009, -0/+4I'm running XP and have been wondering about this myself. But i found this on the Microsoft site.
"Running earlier versions? If you have Windows XP or Windows 2000, you can purchase Windows 7 Upgrade versions. But you must back up your files, clean install, and reinstall your applications."
From http://store.microsoft.com/microsoft/Windows-Windo ...
Down at the bottom of the page. - sevenoverthree, on 07/13/2009, -0/+4Meh. I got 7 RC till March 2010. Something's gotta give before then.
- inactive, on 07/13/2009, -1/+4I was being sarcastic. I thought that the bad grammar would have given me away. I have been using Windows 7 since January and I love it. (Currently on Build 7229, x64.) Apple Sucks Monkey Balls.
- archer75, on 07/13/2009, -1/+4No, your program files directory is not there. The installer bundles up EVERYTHING that is there and throws it into a another file. Then it install itself. It's clean install. It's not installed on top of the previous OS.
- theonlywizdum, on 07/14/2009, -0/+3I don't think you have to grovel anymore. Last time I called up all I got was an automated system. It asked for the activation key, then gave me the new key I needed to transfer vista from my old pc to my new one.
- lolupissed, on 07/13/2009, -0/+3Say I have a copy of XP that is pirated and want to buy an upgrade, you think I am gonna run into problems?
- spazoidspam, on 07/13/2009, -0/+3What about calling microsoft when its time to enter the product key, and playing dumb when it won't work. I've used that method when I install Vista using a retail disk, but only have the OEM key on the back of my laptop. Legally there should be no problem, so the person on the phone should be able to make it go through for you. However, this might involve having to talk to a *GASP* real person.
Oh, you would also have to obtain a full copy of the disk, if the upgrade and full install CDs are actually different, which I doubt. - Spire3660, on 07/13/2009, -1/+4A clean install to me is a completely wiped disk ( or TOC, you get the point). THis method will fragment the disk and the windows.old will still be on the fastest parts of it.
- JDex, on 07/13/2009, -3/+6Dear Microsoft,
Return to the Install Clean from Upgrade disc, or I'll cancel my preorder to W7pro (3 seats)... everyday you don't respond to my inquiry on this (5 days and counting) makes me less likely to do business with you again. - 7aji, on 07/14/2009, -0/+3See what happens when you let idiots read articles from Digg??! People get hurt and stupid!
- kreatre2007, on 07/13/2009, -0/+3Give it a try and find out :)
- teh_techie, on 07/13/2009, -3/+6That whole ***** business with the Windows.OLD folder means that it's NOT WIPING your drive first. It's NOT a clean install in any sense. Your C:\Program Files will still be there too, but it's useless. You'll need to reinstall all your apps in place anyways. This is a REALLY DIRTY way of doing things. You may have a clean registry, but you'll have a file system with dirt and grit all over the place.
BTW, my preorder is now cancelled. I didn't really want to pay anyways. Thanks for saving me money M$ - archer75, on 07/13/2009, -0/+2um, yeah. Since that copy of XP is not legally activated which is what windows 7 upgrade looks for....
- MScrip, on 07/14/2009, -0/+2>> "I don't think you have to grovel anymore."
True.
With retail full copies, you just call Microsoft when you have to reinstall Windows.
However, if you buy an OEM copy... that's when you have to beg for a new key... as it's supposed to be installed on only one machine... ever.
Full retail is worth it to me... to not have to deal with that. -
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