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- MrAction408, on 11/10/2007, -42/+258OWNED!
- Paktu, on 11/10/2007, -10/+120I had no idea that Microsoft had 244 employees in China.
- manitoba98xp, on 10/12/2007, -9/+94If it matters, he was talking about the typo on the right edge. Look before you leap, TreeNinja.
...or should I say, "think before you speak." Ohhh, the irony. - leffunov, on 10/12/2007, -18/+99Actually they got NOT OWNED!!
- TransientTRP, on 11/10/2007, -16/+84That's 244 more copies of Vista than I plan on buying.
- atienza2, on 11/10/2007, -9/+75Hmm spend 1 dollar on the pirated street copy? or 400 on real copy? Why not buy 400 fake copies and start making a profit?!
- digguserer, on 10/12/2007, -7/+66Considering that China's computer sales are around 5 million per quarter, and roughly 50 percent of those sales have a legal copy of Windows, 244 is obviously wrong..
http://www.informationweek.com/windows/showArticle.jhtml?articleID=198900372 - humperdeath, on 11/10/2007, -7/+63That means, the 6,244,875 copies in China have one of 244 serial numbers
- Coniferous, on 10/12/2007, -47/+102You would think that they were owned, but i seriously doubt that they're projections for that reigon were all that high in the first place.
If we really want to stick it to M$ we have to stop using they're operating system - pirated or not. - u8myfoood, on 11/10/2007, -5/+50what do you expect when Microsoft is asking for practically a quarter if not more of their monthly income for one dvd?
- billygreen23, on 10/12/2007, -9/+53Why doesn't Microsoft just charge a really low price for it? Say $10 bucks for a genuine copy. I think people would actually buy it then. If even just a million people bought it, $10 million profit is better than zero.
- j4son, on 11/10/2007, -6/+48I like where your head's at.
- fatdog789, on 11/10/2007, -35/+75There are only 244 copies...because the remaining million were pirated.
All this shows is that the vast majority of Vista installs in China were pirated. - MelloFox, on 11/10/2007, -6/+45I'm surprised they managed to sell that many legit copies there in the first place, but then again the pirated versions have to come from somewhere I suppose.
- lithite, on 10/12/2007, -9/+45I think they were referring to the misspelling on the side of the package.
"Ulimate"
manitoba beat me to it - tb0n3r, on 10/12/2007, -2/+35MS China's pricing structure is just F'ed up. They charge the equivalent of the US copy. The problem is, that 300 dollars (about 2300 CNY) is at least a months (if not two months) salary for most middle-class workers in China. My girlfriend and I just recently bought a house/apartment in China. It's a pretty nice place, just off the beach. The mortgage payments are 2100 CNY per month.
One of the reasons that WoW is so popular in China, is that they charge 50 CNY ($6.50) for the game and 15 CNY ($2) per month for access to it, not 50 / 15 USD. Very few people will shell out so much money just to play a game.
Now, if MS would alter their pricing structure, the number of legal copies would probably skyrocket. The chinese people don't have a problem with buying software... But they do have a problem paying such high prices for that software. - Stockguy, on 10/12/2007, -3/+35I agree with you Artifez. This site seems more like a blog than an actual credible source.
- felchdonkey, on 10/12/2007, -2/+33Dogshaft, you're unable to find a job that pays $10 an hour in America?
- BlackCow, on 10/12/2007, -12/+43Why does everyone hate Vista so much? If you can live with out Microsoft then yeah thats fine linux ftw but Vista is incredibly better then XP. If you have XP and you wouldn't take a free copy of Vista you are seriously retarded.
- Artifez, on 10/12/2007, -19/+50I don't buy it, show me a readable source.
- scabbers, on 10/12/2007, -16/+44Maybe only 244 people in China wanted Vista.
- Raian, on 11/10/2007, -7/+30The average per capita income in Beijing is $1,900, piracy is rampant.... China is just one market Microsoft has so much trouble understanding.... I guess it's hard for some of the world's richest and most powerful to understand some of the poorest and most exploited.
- anagoge, on 11/10/2007, -11/+34Comment threads like this bug me. "That's awesome, ***** you Microsoft" is always the overall tone. I really don't quite understand why people have such a distaste for Microsoft when the majority of people are using Windows to say such things.
Is it so wrong that a company wants to make a profit? To actually pay their worker's salaries? To actually invest in new technologies that will make your computing life easier? Just like half of the world, I would be at a loss if I wasn't using Windows. - accelleron, on 11/10/2007, -4/+26243, sir. One was bought by pirates too lazy to download the DVD.
- pjdk28, on 10/12/2007, -6/+27I'm calling *****.
- babakshirazi, on 10/12/2007, -11/+32
This is sad really. It shows why US companies should not sell out our technology in exchange for market share in China. Every company
does it and now the Chinese are taking the knowledge and technology and competing on every level.
We should ban Chinese goods until they respect copyright laws. It's not about software either, it's about brands like Gucci, Prada, Rolexes, etc.
Allowing China to continue to do this is insane. - Lennalf, on 10/12/2007, -3/+22Yeah... I like how the last sentence in the post reads: "The following numbers are quoted by Windows Vista chief distributor in Bejing." Umm... more like, the preceding numbers? And why would a "chief distributor" be giving out that kind of hypothetically embarassing information?
I have to agree with jinenake below that they must have been at least 244 new windows machines sold since Vista has been the default OS on those computers.
244? In all of China? Come on, people. Buried as inaccurate. - dreicher, on 10/12/2007, -37/+53"Can you blame them for piracy?"
What kind of logic is that. I can't afford a Ferrari so I should just steal one? I mean, really, can you blame me? - davethe1st, on 10/12/2007, -4/+19Sweat shop wages will do that to you.
- fatdog789, on 10/12/2007, -8/+23Still more than the 1 copy of OSX I heard was floating around somewhere in Shanghai...
Seriously, this number is referring to the *English* editions sold by MS in *January* before the *consumer* editions were publicly available. It's not reliable at all. - Sundyr, on 10/12/2007, -2/+15That's only $20,000 per year. That's probably almost right in the industrialized cities...
- Rage67, on 10/12/2007, -7/+20You cannot compare windows vista to a Ferrari...
I don't care who you are... - dogshaft, on 10/12/2007, -7/+18$400 = 1/4 Chinese Monthly Income??
If thats a quarter of Chinese monthly income, then I'm moving to China! - st3vo, on 10/12/2007, -2/+14Love the misspelling on the side of the box.
- Szandor, on 10/12/2007, -5/+17"You cannot compare windows vista to a Ferrari... "
I don't know...expensive, gaudy, and a high cost of maintenance. Sounds like a decent analogy. - fober, on 10/12/2007, -3/+15That's because the photo is probably from January (Christmas packaging?).
DO YOU HEAR ME PEOPLE THE ARTICLE IS TALKING ABOUT THE 2 WEEKS FROM JANUARY 19TH TO FEBRUARY 2ND - SeBBBe, on 10/12/2007, -1/+12"It actually seems like an amazing number when most people work in China for dollars a day.
Can you blame them for piracy?"
Those people wouldnt afford a decent PC in the first place... - Ramble, on 10/12/2007, -0/+11I think he's South Korean actually.
- OBKenobi, on 10/12/2007, -4/+15244 people in China are not as smart as the other 1138317825.
- SpenceMasta, on 10/12/2007, -14/+24@dreicher
umm but if you went to buy a ferrari and someone offered the same exact car, except its missing some cup holders, for lets say $20, wouldnt you buy it? - digguserer, on 10/12/2007, -0/+9Considering that MS sold a few million copies of windows last year in China and they expect a 20 percent increase in sales this year...obviously wrong.
No doubt that there is a ton of piracy in China, but this 244 number is BS. - dreicher, on 11/10/2007, -14/+22Yes, its a GREAT day when an American corporation is ripped off wholesale by an entire country! Lets all celebrate! Lets all cheer as 60,000 American workers move closer and closer to the unemployment line! Yes, lets applaud the technological advances that will be made when companies finally wise up to the idea that there is no longer money to be made in intellectual property!
- jhnewt, on 11/10/2007, -7/+15I'm not surprised to see all the anti-Microsoft comments, but personally, since I am a software engineer for my living, thinking about this level of piracy makes me feel sick. No wonder why our trade gap with China is so huge...
- DelSolMan, on 11/10/2007, -1/+8If I went to china and bought a legit copy, would that number go up by one? I'm sure the real number is very low but I'm not sure if 244 is accurate.
- Kodiak41226, on 10/12/2007, -3/+10Honestly, I wish I would have "Tried before I bought" Vista. Had I borrowed Vista from the usenet for a minute before I dropped the cash I would have been much happier because I wouldn't have wasted the money. I have it now, its ok, but its not $209.99 better than XP was. I had my XP Pro right where I liked it, nLite made it quick, zune theme, with object dock. I can't really think of one reason that someone has to have Vista.
- numbered, on 10/12/2007, -0/+7Marked as innacurate, read the article.. and it's been posted already that this was only a 2 week period (jan 19 - feb2). They have obviously sold a shatload more since then.
Messing with statistics is too easy these days. But then so is bumping up diggnumbers by posting erroneous titles. - dreicher, on 10/12/2007, -0/+6You HONESTLY think this is about the corporations? If so, you have a very poor understanding of economics! Corporations will survive just fine and so will Microsoft. Its the EMPLOYEES and SHAREHOLDERS (yes, I know some of them are rich so ***** them too) that bear the brunt of things. Currently, Microsoft spends 1% of its R&D budget on foreign soil. Would you feel better if that was 50%, 60%, 100%? Then, they would be able to sell things for cheaper.
- jull1234, on 11/10/2007, -2/+8Nobody LIKES prices. I'd much rather everything was free. The problem is, people don't typically dedicate their lives to something that can't pay the bills.
- dreicher, on 10/12/2007, -5/+10Yes, yes - I understand "stealing" a tangible good vs. intangible good is different; however, the response was to "can you blame them?" as quoted in my post - not whether or not this is actually "theft" by its legal definition. My metaphor was strictly aimed at blame - and YES you can blame them regardless of how you feel about piracy.
- ciaocibai, on 10/12/2007, -1/+6@tb0n3r
I live in China (Wuhan to be precise) - if you can come here and show me where to buy a nice PC for $US100 I'll be pretty chuffed.
I mean, of course most stuff is pirated here, I can't walk down the street without being offered copied DVDs and fake shoes, but you just know there is enough MNCs working in China who will shell out for a legal version of Vista.
Not to forget you can by brand name PCs here that include legal versions of the OS. Yes, I've even seen a few Dells around the place... -
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