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- LMN8R, on 10/31/2008, -8/+112Just to clarify, while the new dock in Windows 7 is mandatory, that's not exactly a bad thing.
1) You can enable or disable text labels.
2) You can choose between large or small icons.
In essence, you make make the new taskbar look nearly identical to the Vista taskbar, but with extra functionality provided by the full-screen fading and previews.
I'm a huge fan of the Office 2007 ribbon they bring up as a comparison point in the article, but really, the switch to this dock isn't all that comparable since you can make the new taskbar look so similar to the old taskbar if you wish. - inactive, on 10/31/2008, -7/+75During normal times, I'm sure people would be ranting and raving about all the Windows 7 articles showing up on Digg lately. However, with the past year of Digg being packed with political propaganda, these articles are actually a breath of fresh air.
I personally cannot wait for Win7 to come out. - InorganicMatter, on 10/31/2008, -7/+58I like the direction and attitude Microsoft has been taking lately. "The only system is broken, the new system is better, and we're going to force you to change." That's really the only way to progress in the tech industry, as people will continue using their old stuff forever if permitted. It's why Apple has made such huge leaps in a few short years. They have EFI, GPT, full 64-bit, advanced Sleeping technologies, etc. Windows is still stuck on BIOS, MBR, and S3 sleep mode.
The Vista changes are all going to pay off here, trust me. - KMartSheriff, on 10/31/2008, -2/+42Windows 7 is actually looking to be pretty awesome. I was very happy to read this part:
"Sinofsky's comments about historical Windows UI changes were informative. "I think that Windows has had this history of being, sort of, risk averse on change. And frankly, I feel like we just kind of move stuff around a little and never really fundamentally alter it," Sinofsky told Ars. "So people talk about how XP had compatibility mode... it kind of just turned it gray. I mean, it really didn't do all that much to make it that much different"."
I like (good/productive) change. It makes me very happy to see they're starting to grow some balls. Who cares if some people bitch and want the "old way" back, the new way is better. The ribbon interface was a prefect example of this. - doiveo, on 10/31/2008, -3/+43docking looks great. With just about every screen going wide these days, it will be nice to easily adjust a window to half the screen to get dual screen performance.
- ShortyR19, on 10/31/2008, -0/+32Yes
- Izacus, on 10/31/2008, -6/+35Sorry to disappoint you, but OS X isn't full 64-bit yet. Vista however is.
- Reaktor5, on 10/31/2008, -5/+26As a Mac user, I'm excited to see what Windows 7 can do.
- Frost9999, on 10/31/2008, -1/+21Does anyone care about UltraSparc?
- baldgye, on 10/31/2008, -5/+25its not a dock.
- renegadeafk, on 10/31/2008, -4/+24the start button is exactly the same as the one in vista you idiot.
- Dukentre, on 10/31/2008, -1/+19I think that the comment he makes about jumplists negating the need for programs having a system tray icon, a taskbar button etc. is what excites me the most. Just having one place to look for all the information about a program will be helpful. Assuming developers use it instead of just continuing to add a system tray icon for everything.
- johnquinn1985, on 10/31/2008, -3/+21There had still better be a big ass analog clock.
- digitalpencil, on 10/31/2008, -0/+17yeh, i'm really impressed by the enhanced functionality of such a simple tool. as you say, with widescreen becoming increasingly prevalent and many people using documents side-by-side, a simple half-maximize command like this will be really handy.
Hopefully Compiz and OS X will adopt a similar approach.. - FredFredrickson, on 10/31/2008, -3/+20Why shouldn't it be mandatory? People always bitch about Microsoft not being innovative enough, and now that they seem to be making huge changes to the UI, people are worried about being able to use a traditional task bar? You can't have your cake and eat it too, people!
- insertAliasHere, on 10/31/2008, -4/+21You people are what holds Microsoft back.
They can come up with great ideas that fix old flaws, but you will bitch because you learned the old crappy way by heart. Man the ***** up and learn the better way. We'd still be stuck with Windows 95 if everyone were like you....and more and more people are these days.
The ribbon is more logical, and presents more controls to be easily accessed. It's a good thing. Just because you learned where everything was in the menus doesn't mean that the menus are good.
They didn't take your keyboard shortcuts away, did they? And if you need the space back, doubleclick on one of the ribbon headers, and it will minimize. - Darkhacker, on 10/31/2008, -4/+20From Windows 1.0
http://www.kernelthread.com/mac/vpc/images/win101. ... - Scott2, on 10/31/2008, -2/+17XP was showing it's age 4 years ago. You just haven't realized it.
- jakem1, on 10/31/2008, -0/+14This is also very easy in Vista. Just hold down the CTRL key, select the two windows you want to view in the Taskbar, right click on one of the selected buttons and choose the "Show Windows Side by Side" option.
I agree that the new docking method looks good though. - LMN8R, on 10/31/2008, -1/+15It's funny, everyone who's never used Office 2007 for a significant amount of time spends so much time ranting and raving about how terrible it is that they could have instead learned the new interface in that same amount of time.
The vast majority of Office 2007 users would tell you that the new interface is so incredibly, drastically better, that the time saved in doing everything makes up for the time spent on the learning curve in practically no time at all. - MacParrot, on 10/31/2008, -0/+13For all those complaining about Windows 7 looking different. Stop it. XP was almost 8 years ago. Microsoft is moving on. Good for them. Apple did much the same moving from OS9 to OS X. By the time 10.3 had come out, they had gotten rid of a lot of legacy crap that had been holding the Mac back. OS X works much better now and I can't think of a single developer that still creates Classic apps.
Sometimes you gotta just clear out the crap to make room for the new stuff. - bradleyland, on 10/31/2008, -0/+13Can we get over this whole "Company X copied Company Y" notion? Look, they all use buttons and scroll bars too. OMFG! There is an inevitable overlap in design features in operating systems. All computers use a mouse & keyboard with a simple color display. All operating system share similar goals of providing a framework in which applications run and can be switched between efficiently.
It's not important where it is invented, it's important that it works. - joshwehatetech, on 10/31/2008, -2/+15Did you find all the people that hate change? Most of those we have had use Office 2007 ended up really liking the changes and quite a few forcefully requesting it after using it.
- rpeters, on 10/31/2008, -4/+17Can't afford memory? It's cheap these days.
- 4ndr3wk, on 10/31/2008, -0/+12So you dont understand how someone can be excited for a updated OS to come out, but your also excited for a updated OS to come out? how confusing.
- latrosicarius, on 10/31/2008, -2/+14can i drag around minimized programs on the taskbar, like re-ordering browser tabs yet?
- renegadeafk, on 10/31/2008, -6/+18you people complaining are retards you can turn on text labels and small icons essentially making it the same as the old one.
- netdroid9, on 10/31/2008, -4/+15Having used the build handed out on PDC, I can tell you without a doubt that it's ***** fast. Faster than Vista, even. It's not the same build they're using, but I'd be surprised if they'd let performance degrade after getting it so good in build 6801.
- Drehmini, on 10/31/2008, -1/+12But with the new task bar all icons in the system tray are hidden by default.. so if they do add the icons there you won't see them until you allow it. A very welcome change to be honest.
- Kazbaeden, on 10/31/2008, -3/+13The new taskbar is 10px taller than the old one, and you can enable small icons to make it hte same size as the old one. I'm not sure adding 10px to the taskbar transforms it somehow into Apple's dock. Besides, what is the dock anyone? A place to launch and show running applications. Isn't that what the taskbar has been since windows 95?
- ortucis, on 10/31/2008, -0/+101. Who gives a *****? As long as it makes out lives easier, I don't care if 'OSX did it first'.
2. It's actually a good thing. If they would have not pushed for highers system requirements for VIsta, most PC's out there would be still P-III (which would really suck for game developers). I guess slow performance of x86 can also be thanked for forcing most people to pick Vista x64 version as well (not me, I picked it because it was better than XP x64). - jakem1, on 10/31/2008, -0/+10I'm afraid your company made the wrong decision in regards to Office 2007. Although I've seen initial resistance to the Ribbon on sites that I've worked on this is generally overcome with a little training and before long users love it. Personally, I think I'm much more productive in Office 2007 than previous versions and I'm able to use the applications in ways that I never bothered to before. As a result, I produce better documents, spreadsheets, etc. faster.
- jamesmcginnis, on 10/31/2008, -3/+13You are lucky, Vista has been perfect for me until yesterday.......oh wait was that my HD that failed!!!???!!
I Love Vista!!! - tehnico, on 10/31/2008, -3/+11Any one else think it's funny that the video demo has the video controls covering the dock? Y'know, the whole point of the article?
- zakatov, on 10/31/2008, -1/+9That video was to show "resizing at the edge and maximizing at the top" thing. So no, the video was fine.
- bradleyland, on 10/31/2008, -1/+9Windows Classic? OMFG you're so hardcore!
Personally, I prefer line-mode interfaces.
/s - dragossh, on 10/31/2008, -0/+8I for one am happy that Microsoft is forcing things on people. Windows needed a fresh UI, and you can't make that possible if you give people the option to go back to the old UI.
- psuchad, on 10/31/2008, -1/+9The only complaint that I have gotten from Office 2007 is "where is the print button?" It is true that for those using XP and not Vista, clicking a nondescript orb in not very intuitive.
- Jeremyz0r, on 10/31/2008, -3/+11Don't worry Slade, you're just ignorant.
- Jeremyz0r, on 10/31/2008, -4/+12@seltaeb4: I can't recall the last time my Vista crashed or if it ever has. I've never lost or had data corrupted either. They stated yesterday that 7 will be more stable then Vista SP1 on day one.
Bring your propaganda else where. :) - IamSunstorm, on 10/31/2008, -7/+14You'll move from an OS that can't run new apps to one that can't run almost any apps?
- ultrafez, on 10/31/2008, -0/+7Precisely, why can't Mac fanboys just shut up with "we did it first" attitude? Who cares? Surely what is important, is whether YOUR operating system has it?
- mrsteve007, on 10/31/2008, -1/+8How long did they undergo a test? After 2 weeks, none of my users (about 35 people) would go back, except one old codger who couldn't understand where his menus went, and refused to use it. Otherwise our transition was quite easy, and welcomed.
/the old codger now likes 2007 - anonymous1986, on 10/31/2008, -1/+7Shameless aren't you? Why don't you just link directly to the link instead of trying to promote your digg submission?
- DCJoeDogaswell, on 10/31/2008, -2/+8This can't be right, I am actually eager for a new version of windows? I need to find my hammer.
- bradleyland, on 10/31/2008, -0/+6Why would you upgrade to something new if it were, essentially, the same?
- Equinox1, on 10/31/2008, -3/+9I've got this here box of 64 Crayola crayons, and I don't see silly in here.
- vinbob, on 10/31/2008, -4/+10I'd be pissed off if I was a KDE developer right now.
- doubl3d, on 10/31/2008, -1/+7The ribbon rocks, everything is right there. Maybe your workers are just dumb and dont want things to change.
- TheGreatBelow, on 10/31/2008, -0/+5Yep, because the time in date look terrible in that screenshot.
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