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- Xorsist, on 10/12/2007, -2/+80omg, where did you find that FREE copy of ubuntu!? you gotta hook me up with your sweet warez shop man!
- D4r7h3v1l, on 10/12/2007, -11/+83"a lot"?
95% of people who buy computers have no idea that that is even possible. - inactive, on 10/12/2007, -25/+89"a lot of people are REMOVING Vista from their new computer because they hate it so much. Many of my friends and relatives did."
20 million people buy it, and since 3 of your friends did that means everyone did?
besides, i can't think of a single reason to abandon vista, i don't think i could ever go back to XP, there are just so many small things that i'd miss - joshpar, on 10/12/2007, -13/+76Yes, those are included as sales. The sales trend compared to XP has actually reversed. More copies of Vista have sold part of a system, where XP sold more boxed copies in the first couple of months.
But... a sale is a sale, even when it comes 'free' on you new lappy.
That beig said, apparently Apple 'sold' a million copies of OS X last quarter??? - lukas88, on 10/12/2007, -14/+74I remember how sketchy XP seemed at first too.
In a year from now vista will be a part of most of our lives. - inactive, on 10/12/2007, -4/+62It makes sense that XP sold more actual boxed copies. Because when XP came out, a lot of people had the crap ME and HAD to switch. Bt now, there is virtually NO reason for 99% of users to leave XP. It is stable, and for all but the biggest idiots, secure.
MOST people never install an OS on their computer. Because there is no reason to.
cmer...your friends are not the general population by any means. - misterjangles, on 10/12/2007, -7/+45gates: hey dell, put our OS on and we'll cut you in on the deal - we'll all make billions!
linux: hey dell, put our OS on and, oh... could you hit up our paypal donation page while you're at it?
dell: hmm... let me think on that one... - InfamousAtheist, on 10/12/2007, -4/+39Except for instructions on how to use the Reply button, apparently.
- offwithyourtv, on 10/12/2007, -5/+27I have Vista Ultimate, and honestly, it hasn't been remotely close to the nightmare everyone was making it out to be. But I guess that's just Digg drama for you.
- V1ncent, on 10/12/2007, -10/+31Vista will be a success despite other people wishing it not to be.
- streak, on 10/12/2007, -9/+29The PC market today is roughly twice the size of 5 years ago when XP debuted. At twice the uptake today, Vista is therefore not really selling any better percentage-wise than XP did. Vista development costs far out-weigh XP's, as well.
- RubeusEsclair, on 10/12/2007, -13/+30I got a new laptop and I thought Vista was going to suck it up.
I was VERY wrong. The more I use it, the more I love it. The ONLY issue I have with it is no nVidia drivers for the Go series, but the MS drivers work great, and my laptop performs better than my dual opteron server at everything but hard drive speed (10k raptor vs 5400-- go figure).
The moral is-- all these nay-sayers are just feeding off each other. There are issues, but they are very minor. I have been recommending Vista to friends and family, especially those that are more computer illiterate. Vista is actually a great OS. And its *STILL* easier to get things working on Vista than Linucks! - ozid, on 10/12/2007, -10/+25just like they were forcing you to get XP over Me. And Me over 98. And 3.1 over dos. It's not like the computer would be cheaper with XP... and it's not like XP is BETTER than Vista? I don't see why you are upset here.
Well Schoate summed it up well enough. And I agree with him. +1 - schoate09, on 10/12/2007, -15/+30There was no way for a company to give you an OS which will soon be outdated? shame.
Seriously, Vista is a fine operating system, and I really like it. I think it's attraction was for more people to get rid of the old beige tower and get a new sleeker, smaller, black tower, with a more attractive GUI. I think the selling point was getting consumers on looks.
Good Job Microsoft, and good job Apple, for both putting out great products on the market. - illwil, on 10/12/2007, -7/+22"Competing" viewpoint:
Excerpt
The analyst said 51 million PCs were sold to consumers worldwide in 2002; this year, the research group predicts 96 million consumers will buy a computer.
Starting in late October, PC makers included coupons for free or low-cost Vista upgrades that could be used once the software became available at the end of January. Microsoft's February sales total includes those promised upgrades, in addition to licenses ordered by PC makers to install on new computers, shrink-wrapped copies sold in retail stores and downloads from the Windows Marketplace Web store.
Silver estimates PC makers sold between 12 million and 15 million PCs with Windows XP Home Edition over the holidays -- a significant chunk of the 20 million total, depending on how many included Vista coupons.
While Microsoft wouldn't say how many Vista upgrades were ordered in that time frame, Dell Inc. spokesman Bob Kaufman said about two-thirds of its holiday PC shoppers registered for the upgrade.
"That would say that those (Vista sales) numbers aren't all that great if that includes all that backlog," said Silver.
http://biz.yahoo.com/ap/070326/microsoft_vista_sales.html?.v=2 - inactive, on 10/12/2007, -6/+21What if they counted all of ThePirateBay editions?
- fcekuahd, on 10/12/2007, -2/+17Yeah, I'd like to see side-by-side numbers for each segment. i.e.
- OEM licenses
- Boxed sales (full version)
- Boxed sales (upgrades)
- Volume licenses (full version)
- Volume licenses (upgrades)
- Coupon upgrades
Without this, these numbers are absolutely meaningless. - byronm, on 10/12/2007, -14/+26You can buy systems without anything on it. A quick google and there are 10s of thousands of systems available.
I've got 5 copies of vista and couldn't be happier. For once everything works out of the box on modern hardware (sata/scsi/firewire/USB 2/cam/sound/network/wifi/touchpad/mouse) - DigitalDaiquiri, on 10/12/2007, -0/+8Is it much of a surprise for anyone considering that XP was released around a year after the Windows ME and 2000 launches, where Vista made users wait for five years? Quite frankly I would have to say no, its not much of a surprise at all. :-P
- BlinderBomber, on 10/12/2007, -5/+13@ williamdyer
Read the article again. Vista has sold 20 million copies in 1 month. Vista sold 17 million in 2 months.
What I don't understand is why Vista gets so much negative press for all the wrong reasons. People should be upset that Vista took so many years to develop and the most exciting feature, WinFS or whatever they were going to call it, got dropped as did a number of other big changes. Vista, as it stands, is certainly a good improvement over XP, I'm just a little peeved because it could have been so much more. - Firehunter, on 10/12/2007, -2/+10I'm an IT specialist. . .I bought it for my new box at home. Haven't has any problems with it. . .I don't see much of a nightmare supporting it when work adopts it. In fact, I think it Vista will make it easier on our users and myself.
- djphatjive, on 10/12/2007, -1/+9I'm sure there are way more people buying computers now then back then. Heck I have 5 computers in my house. Has only 1 back when XP came out.
- ozid, on 10/12/2007, -8/+16"XP did everything I needed it to."
And Vista doesn't? I'm honestly confused at what XP does that Vista cannot? - mrfrosti, on 10/12/2007, -5/+13I remember Ballmer being upset over the slow sales of Vista and blaming piracy for it. How did sales go to the other extreme? Something smells fishy...
http://www.theinquirer.net/default.aspx?article=37721 - nreynolds, on 10/12/2007, -4/+12yeah well.... everyone knew ME was just a sick joke.
- cmiz, on 10/12/2007, -1/+8of all of the people that I know who got the "free Vista upgrade" from Dell, none of them have actually installed Vista yet (and it would seem that most of them don't intend to any time soon), and all of those licenses are counted. Just pointing out that there's always more to it than what you see...
- pogitalonx, on 10/12/2007, -3/+10I agree. The more computers out there along with more sales of new computers, means more vista sales, not necessarily because of popularity and adoption rate...
- merreborn, on 10/12/2007, -10/+17"I'm sure you'll feel super 733t compiling binary drivers"
Compiling binary drivers? You do realize that the term "binary" indicates that the source is not available -- making compilation both impossible and unnecessary -- and that the driver is only available in pre-compiled binary form?
No wonder you had such a rough time with linux, given your obvious lack of even the most basic understanding of software and operating systems. - reason78, on 10/12/2007, -18/+25Not surprising when Dell is FORCING it on their customers. My GF just bought a new laptop from the Dell website and there was no way to get XP on it. Lame.
- streak, on 10/12/2007, -0/+7@hdtvdust, use your head. There are two ways to grow a business: explore new markets and/or move into existing markets. Microsoft doesn't have nearly the market potential of Apple (or Linux) because MS already "owns" the OS market. If the computer market grows annually at 10%, that's about the limit for Microsoft's growth at this point in time. In contrast, Apple could (theoretically) grow annually at a 20% rate for several years until it dominated the market, after which Microsoft could grow by taking back marketshare.
- OneAndOnlySnob, on 10/12/2007, -10/+16More people are buying computers than ever before. Vista comes on most computers and most people don't know of anything else. You do the math, genius.
I hate these marketing spins. - Mearn, on 10/12/2007, -3/+9Vista at launch is nowhere near as bad as ME was upon death. I've been running Vista without any issues since January where I had to reformat ME every two months because it just randomly broke.
- inactive, on 10/12/2007, -0/+6I'd love to meed the jerk who decided that 'Me is ready for release" and smash him in the face with a handful of porcupines, with rabies!!!
- inactive, on 10/12/2007, -6/+12sad. really sad. You are REALLY desperate to spin this into a negative, aren't you? You look bad with this post. Not Microsoft or Vista.
- techweenie1, on 10/12/2007, -3/+9http://www.neoseeker.com/news/story/6528/
So which one is it...faster or slower sales? - Dayyve, on 10/12/2007, -3/+9ALL OSs are solid nowadays _thank god_. Compare to just 10 years ago the ***** you had to deal with and the evolution of how easy and stable it is to work with a computer in the present. Instead of tearing each others preferred OS people should be preaching the bonuses of each so the 'other side' can try to lobby their OS to adopt useful features so we all win.
- ozid, on 10/12/2007, -2/+7I bought it when it first came out to figure out how to solve problems. Because honestly, everyone is going to have them. But I like it, so I'm keeping it :P
- clickmyface, on 10/12/2007, -24/+29I have to say, as the "tech guy" amongst my family and friends group; same thing. They don't want vista. I'm in Seattle, so I know people who work or have family who work at Microsoft so they are getting Vista for $40. They've all reverted back to XP. In fact, the last of my tech savvy friends just ditched Vista and put it on his shelf for later because he doesnt think it's ready.
My brother, with his new lonovo, is the only one I know who's sticking it out. He doesnt care, it lets him browse the internet and create word documents. - mobilehavoc, on 10/12/2007, -17/+21Have fun with Kubuntu....I'm sure you'll feel super 733t compiling binary drivers for your graphics and using NDISwrapper to get your wireless card to work. Oh yeah, SO MUCH better than Vista /sarcasm.
- ozid, on 10/12/2007, -1/+5OK well the things you think of aren't something I have EVER come across, but I will take your word for it. That is messed up. But that is totally Dell's fault, because I've never had driver conflicts on any machine I have ever installed it on. As far as the security things, they ARE they to make sure you don't mess up your computer, however if you wanted to remove them, google "Disable UAC".
I'd make a phone call to Dell about the problems their software is causing, honestly. And it is more stable than XP! - ozid, on 10/12/2007, -11/+15Vista is a more stable operating system than XP was when it came out. And I'd be willing to bet a clean XP SP2 installation completely updated is still not as stable as Vista RC2, let alone the RTM. You're just hating for the sake of hating.
- BlinderBomber, on 10/12/2007, -1/+5True enough. I'm tired. I meant XP.
- Firehunter, on 10/12/2007, -3/+7And Bestbuy can hold onto a sales person for more than a few year?!?
- mgkwho, on 10/12/2007, -0/+4...but they had to wait 1.75 years for XP after Win2000, not 5.25. If we consider the rate between OS releases, wouldnt we expect the sales to be at [least] triple? And that's only at the same pace as XP.
-=|Mgkwho - jasmin888, on 10/12/2007, -1/+5@ byronm
"You can buy systems without anything on it. A quick google and there are 10s of thousands of systems available."
Not true - If you want a higher end laptop. - icexe, on 10/12/2007, -1/+5@lynn
believe me, i have no reason to spread FUD. after all I am running lots of Microsoft products on my personal computers, in addition, I manage servers running win2k3, IIS6, SQL Server 2000/2003 and absolutely love them for their stability and reliability. Heck I make a living because of Microsoft products.
but the bottom line is, Microsoft has made bad products in the past (WinME being a glaring example) and I think they stumbled with Vista as well. like i said, I'm hoping SP1 fixes the problems. - streak, on 10/12/2007, -2/+6Anybody else notice the great vista of unsold Vista boxes on retail store shelves? You can be sure Microsoft has included those copies in their count of those that have "changed hands", even though they're not in the hands of consumers and being used. Those copies simply changed hands from Microsoft to a distributor. It's going to be far more interesting in just a few weeks and months going forward to see how a stuffed sales channel behaves.
- Firehunter, on 10/12/2007, -1/+5Even though bgbs is correct, XP is outdated, I just checked Dell's website and business customers can still order systems with XP. cbcarey, I assume you are purchasing those systems for a business therefore you should have no problem getting systems without Vista.
- Colesif, on 10/12/2007, -1/+4I am a Mac owner, but during the few minutes I have messed with vista I thought it was a giant leap from XP.I have no need for Vista as I feel I have most of the outstanding features that Vista has on OS X, but I think it would be a worthy investment for any PC owner.
Honestly, I don't care about what the sales are, as long as Apple keeps putting out with waht I like, and Microsoft puts up stiff competition, I'll be happy.
Competition=better products from both. - cquinnd, on 10/12/2007, -0/+3>> this was never the case with the 2000->XP migration
Not entirely true, I remember several posters in the anandtech forums who went back to 2000 from their initial installs of XP in the early days of its release. And a lot of people at that time also planned to hold off until after the first Service Pack at least. -
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