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- Phatlip012, on 04/30/2008, -11/+38I'm really not a fan of Windows (I primarily use OS X and Linux). With that said, how exactly is this a bad thing? I don't know, maybe I'm missing something but this sounds like a good idea to me.
- a1lostnomad, on 04/30/2008, -3/+28I think Microsoft is really overestimating the size/power/profit of subscription web services built directly into the OS. Apple has done it for a while with .Mac and from what I've heard it's not exactly the must-have service that they thought it would be. I think the best option for Microsoft now is to focus on making good web tools that work no matter what OS your using (ala Google), AND a great operating system that plays well with lots of web services (not just Live stuff).
- inactive, on 04/30/2008, -3/+18they need to hire the xbox/zune team to create windows 7, seems those kids are the only ones that can get things right.
- jemka, on 04/30/2008, -6/+20Own what? This is how companies run. They have products. They improve those product. They introduce new products and they integrate their products.
- toastgodsupreme, on 04/30/2008, -16/+30What?
Dammit, why can't they just give me an OS that does one thing... RUNS MY PROGRAMS.
I don't need my OS to collaborate with my email, my friends, my family, my shoes, etc. I need it to be stable, I need it to be small, I need it to be compatible, I need it to be secure.
I'm still trying to get used to Linux. This is a dual boot machine (XP/Fedora). But it's hard being that I've used Windows since the 3.1 days. If the next generation of Windows fails as much as Vista did for me, I may be moving to a pure Linux install afterall.
Seriously, who are the devs at MS doing this stuff? Is this REALLY what they felt that Vista lacked and that's why it didn't sell well? Or maybe the PR dept overtook the dev guys and now they're running the show. - Narpas, on 04/30/2008, -3/+16Yes. But I'd rather install the programs that I want than uninstall programs that I don't want.
- Vician, on 04/30/2008, -2/+14On the other hand, nearly all of the big Live services are free (or have free versions) and .Mac charges 99$ a year. If Apple offered .Mac for free, I think you'd see a lot more people singing its praise.
- inactive, on 04/30/2008, -0/+10They can fix the OS and add the Live services. In fact, Vista was supposed to do that for the company but they really messed up. The only bad thing that I see in Windows 7 is that it will have the same base as Vista, with no radical changes.
- LordVance, on 04/30/2008, -2/+11Yea, but FIVE times zero... am I right?
- bjornski, on 04/30/2008, -1/+9***** off, you spymac piece of *****.
It's time to IP ban the people that keep posting that spam *****. spymac, myminicity and discover5000.
Get rid of them all. - jsleno, on 04/30/2008, -0/+7Reading the article, it sounds like people will be able to log into a brand new PC with their existing Windows Live ID and have it work, without any account setups. In effect, I think it's making Windows Live the default PDC for all Windows 7 systems. I'm not sure how I feel about that...
- gradivus, on 04/30/2008, -4/+11No,its called the damn Mozilla address bar. I type in the address I want and it takes me there. If I want to integrate with something I will buy a hooker.
- Rewdog, on 04/30/2008, -3/+10So how many of you changed the default msn homepage that comes with Internet Explorer? Why?
Do you really want your entire operating system pre-configured the same way? - Kazbaeden, on 04/30/2008, -2/+9Because harddrive space is such a valuable in these hard times. I can go out and get a 500GB drive for $100. Harddrive space is the least of my worries.
- Hangly, on 04/30/2008, -0/+6XP actually was a massive improvement over 95/98/ME though. NT technology was always better than the DOS-compatibles, and when we finally got it on the desktop it was a great day.
I don't know what these Vista or Windows 7 improvements are meant to accomplish. It almost seems as if Microsoft thinks it's in the content business rather than the operating system business. - friday04, on 04/30/2008, -3/+9I don't know why you're getting dugg down because you're spot on. We are witnessing the end of an empire.
What this sounds like to me is what they did to Netscape in the late 90's. They couldn't compete head-on with Netscape so they bundled IE into Windows (becoming part of the OS itself) and then everyone who bought a Windows machine had IE sitting pretty on their desktop. Netscape couldn't fight it. Google is in much better position to fight such a battle but it shows that MS is willing to give old tactics a chance. Bundle Windows Live services into the core of the next OS and hope that it'll be so easy for people to find/use that they'll actually start using it over Google's services. Same old MS trying old dirty tactics.
The only difference is this time people aren't as stupid. People know they have options and they use them. IE7 uses Live Search as its default but most people quickly switch it to Google. This is a desperate grasp at pushing their wares on people through their monopoly. The empire is indeed crumbling. I only wish they would do the hostile-takeover of Yahoo and deplete their cash reserves in the process. It'll expedite the whole thing. - Dwebtron, on 04/30/2008, -0/+6yes it does.
- iamanalog, on 04/30/2008, -0/+62012?
- cquinnd, on 04/30/2008, -4/+10Microsoft has been moving Windows towards a more modular design since Windows 2000.
- Schmapdi, on 04/30/2008, -2/+7Wasn't Windows 7 supposed to be the Windows with the really small re-written from scratch kernel with the tiny memory footprint and the abandoning of legacy support for a lot of the old crap that has been around for too long. What happened to that Windows? This new Windows sounds like normal Windows but with more bloatware :(
I do not want hotmail, MSN messenger, Yahoo anything, or really anything else intergrated into my OS. If I wish to use these services I will download them seperately and install them at my leisure. Please don't make them default features! - SPThom, on 04/30/2008, -4/+9Wow, lots of negative diggs on these comments... I don't often see the pro-Microsoft fanboys overpower the anti-Microsoft fanboys.
- daizaru, on 04/30/2008, -0/+5If you want minimalist and installing only what is crucial to you then stick to Linux, learn it well. Microsoft caters to many archetypes of user, primarily the low end user and business types. The advanced user can and will easily install/remove what he needs and that is expected, I'd rather not have them take the vista thing to new levels and branch out 27 versions of windows for all user Archetypes. I'll take the one day tops that it takes to clean up and optimize my system.
Integration is awesome, I think if implemented well it could be promising. Don't get worked up by a vague memo from a year ago. Reserve judgment until you see it. - rrc589, on 04/30/2008, -2/+7"Dammit, why can't they just give me an OS that does one thing... RUNS MY PROGRAMS."
Because Windows has to be everything to everyone.
Like you said, if you really don't like it, use Linux. Not a big deal. - cigawoot, on 04/30/2008, -0/+4I wish Microsoft would understand what an operating system really is. An OS isn't a bloated piece of ***** that does absolutely everything you could possibly think of. An OS is there to allow applications to communicate with the computer's hardware. If I wanted the ability to access "Windows Live" services, I should install that seperatly, the only things an OS should do is offer a GUI, certain core services, and basic applications such as a text editor.
When Microsoft understands that bigger =! better, Windows won't suck as bad. - init100, on 04/30/2008, -0/+4@Hangly
To Microsoft fanboys, any criticism of Microsoft is simply mindless Microsoft-bashing. They think that Microsoft does not and can not have any flaws, and that's why no valid criticism can exist. Thus, any criticism must be invalid and is labeled as bashing. - CarzorStelatis, on 04/30/2008, -0/+4What's that noise I hear in the background? Must be the EU Competition Commissioner revving up her chainsaw :P
- Ranvier, on 04/30/2008, -0/+4It's a memo from last year.
- cbeach, on 04/30/2008, -0/+4Microsoft pushed active desktops back in Windows 95 and it was a flop. Apple have pushed .Mac and it is failing. People want stable, compact operating systems. Web services should be a thin, optional layer at the application tier.
- Hangly, on 04/30/2008, -1/+5Simple. Microsoft inherited a monopoly from IBM and maintained it for 27 years by squeezing competitors out of the market. They have never had to worry about what their user base wanted, ever. That's why they think they can foist PC-crippling misfeatures like WGA and DRM on people and not be concerned about them revolting.
- TheWindBlows, on 04/30/2008, -2/+6LiveMesh vs iWorld vs Choice
- Kazbaeden, on 04/30/2008, -3/+6If it means integrating things like LiveMesh into Windows 7, I'm all for it.
- TheBanch, on 04/30/2008, -4/+7WIndows XP runs fine. It never crashes unless I make it crash by opening up way too much *****. But my OS X crashes 50% of the time I try open up an avi file. I like both OS, I just think people give MS a hard time because they are a big target. But XP is a damn fine program.
No one is denying that Vista was a mistake... not even MS. They're rolling out a new OS already. - goffy59, on 04/30/2008, -5/+8Um, why? Mine works fine.
- PleaseJustDie, on 04/30/2008, -1/+4actually NTLM2, which broke samba compatibility with vista for a bit, was introduced because its more secure. And Samba is compatible with it now, you just have to do a couple extra steps. Also, microsoft has agreed to give all the documentation for all their network protocols to a third party for a fee which in turn are given to the Samba team who have signed NDAs to help Samba be more compatible.
- SpeedSteamBoat, on 04/30/2008, -0/+3Eh, I don't know about that. Both of those products have had their troubles (RROD, "Squarting", DRM, etc.) It seems clear to me that they are coming out to the same culture and philosophy as Windows. The difference is that Windows sits on huge piles of old code. XBox and Zune were able to start from scratch, and, being hardware, making large revisions between versions isn't such a big deal. Windows, not so much.
At some point you need throw everything away and start over again, and I think until Microsoft realizes that Windows will continue to struggle for real strides in innovation and tangible improvements over past versions without a heavy price being paid elsewhere. - CarzorStelatis, on 04/30/2008, -1/+4OK, try doing an fresh install of Windows XP (original), connect it to the internet, and wait. I give you 30 minutes before it has some virus or another.
- mrsteveman1, on 04/30/2008, -2/+5And in Microsofts case, they go out of their way to break any competitions attempts to become compatible with Microsofts software. We already see some of this with the Live services breaking on specific platforms for no real reason. Same for the SMB protocol, they've been trying to break Samba for a long time, and I've heard the samba developers claim that SMB2, the new protocol, has no purpose but to "***** with samba".
The controversy here is going to be how far MS goes to use Live mesh and the other services to prop up Windows. There are at least SOME indications they might be moving toward a more services based model and not rigidly clinging to Windows, but I'll reserve my praise for when that actually happens. - Rewdog, on 04/30/2008, -1/+4What quote in my comment leads you to believe I think they are "FORCING" you to use a default layout?
I just asked if people really want to have their operating system pre-configured to use more and more microsoft services. In your case, the answer is yes, you want that. In my case, I rather have an operating system that is more cohesive. Some people like buying a new computer these days with tons of bundled preinstalled software. You aren't forced to live with that software hogging up your system resources, you can uninstall it. When I get a new computer however, I want it to start bare-bones, and I'll add the new features as I see a need for them. - niceyuk, on 04/30/2008, -0/+3Which is another anti-competitive lawsuit waiting to happen. Microsoft shouldnt be using their desktop monopoly to gain market share for their crappy Live services.
- Vician, on 04/30/2008, -0/+3Considering, as you -should- have read, that the Memo they were 'wondering aloud' in was from August 2007, which was 8 - 9 months ago depending on the day, I wouldn't call that an unrealstic starting point for wondering about service integration.
- KMartSheriff, on 04/30/2008, -2/+5Couldn't agree more. Apple needs a swift kick in the balls from a competitor regarding .mac
- KMartSheriff, on 04/30/2008, -0/+3XP x64 is terrible. Even Microsoft lovers will admit that.
- Hangly, on 04/30/2008, -5/+8This isn't fanboyism, it's astroturfing. There's a farm of diggers in India burying everything that looks like it might be critical of Microsoft and posting empty testimonials about how Microsoft "worked for them."
- cheungroys, on 04/30/2008, -4/+7oh god... Microsoft is going to ruin Windows 7 by tie-ing every single MSFT product together. it would be like buying a retail version of the Bloated XP or Vista you get when you purchase it from HP or Sony or Dell or every other ***** computer manufacture. and seriously.... if theres no cool GUI with Win 7 or if it's bloated with *****... Apple, you just got yourself a new Customer. Don't disappoint me Microsoft. You already did with Vista Ultimate Extras. Don't let me down again. :'( ------ Also, Where are my god damn Extras?
- init100, on 04/30/2008, -1/+4Sure, but they make more money doing it than they have to pay in fines, so they keep doing it.
- Hangly, on 04/30/2008, -3/+5Note to Microsoft:
Please stop worrying about what your competitors (real or imagined) are doing, and start paying attention to what your customers want, and are asking for. There are reasons even life-long Windows users don't like you, and the biggest one is that you take them completely for granted. - KMartSheriff, on 04/30/2008, -2/+4*rolls eyes*
- cwa107, on 04/30/2008, -1/+3Buried as lame. Mary Jo Foley posing as a journalist is laughable. Anything she has to say or any claim she makes should be taken worth a grain of salt.
- estvir, on 04/30/2008, -1/+3Windows has been capable of running programs since at least 3.1, who cares if they add a few little extra web tie-ins, it's where software+services (Web) are going anyway and for once, Microsoft is [almost] on the ball.
- danz32, on 04/30/2008, -2/+4It's definitely a good thing. I think the eventual goal is to tie everything together into your Windows Live ID: your files will be shared on your Live Mesh; you will have your favorites, calendar, email all together in one; and available (and sync'd) to whichever computers you log in to.
We will see if it can be that seamless by Windows 7; but there isn't any drawbacks to this Live integration. Plus, for all the anti-Microsoft fans, you know the EU will be all over them if they don't open up the Windows integration to Google, Yahoo, etc. -
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