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- chris9902, on 12/06/2007, -2/+29"in budget flash PC market"
Even as a Vista user I can see this. If I had a low spec PC I would put Debian on it not XP. - kazzyD, on 12/06/2007, -2/+21Microsoft apparently has no plans for offering this in the U.S. (see story below). In a world with shrinking borders, I'm still wondering how long it thinks it can keep its software and pricing separated by country.
http://www.techconsumer.com/2007/12/06/microsoft-h ... - JMellissa, on 12/06/2007, -1/+16Instead of Flash memory, I wish they would use Ferro-Electric RAM (FRAM). I've used it before and it's better in many ways:
(1) Virtually unlimited number of write cycles (Flash parts wear out after about 1 million writes)
(2) MUCH faster write-times
One draw back is they cost more due to low volume. If the industry would start buying them the price could
(and probably would) come down to that of Flash. - WorkingDead, on 12/06/2007, -2/+15You can look on Craigslist, go get junk or give away computer parts, and put together a PC running Linux with all the modern software you need for virtually nothing. MS's business model isn't based around making it easy for you to get on a computer. It is to keep you away from a computer unless you pay a premium for the convenience of having them do it all for you. When it comes to light weight, single purpose devices, so much of what MS's product is, keeping you away from the product unless you pay, leaves little room for left for the devices to be functional. Their model just don't work in a lot of these cases.
- Malakin, on 12/06/2007, -1/+12The UMPC specification was worked on by MANY companies for a TABLET PC. It's very different from an Eee.
Global sales of Mac OS X are increasing at a higher percentage rate than Windows.
The Eee is not currently available with Windows. - profJohn, on 12/06/2007, -3/+13I think it's telling that (based on the article) Microsoft is handing out specs to manufacturers--still imagining that it can dictate terms. Linux has been successful because it has been open to adaption to fit multiple hardware platforms. It doesn't really seem like MS has gotten the hint about the demand for an OS that adapts to serve user needs and hardware platforms, not the other way around. And, yes, I wrote this comment from my Asus Eee.
- dinostabOMG, on 12/06/2007, -2/+10Ugh, why do all the big name douchebags feel like they have to mess with the CHARITY that is OLPC? Microsoft really wants children in developing countries to have to deal with the BSOD?
- lispy, on 12/06/2007, -1/+8That's your currency slipping.
- fkr3, on 12/06/2007, -4/+11Blogspot != article. Also it seems to be irrelevant. Did you cut & paste from the wrong list of stupid links you maintain for every situation?
- SimonGray, on 12/06/2007, -1/+8I don't think the 10" is going to be any bigger, it's just the screen. Currently, the 7" screen only takes up a small part of the total area available.
- duffahtolla, on 12/06/2007, -0/+6Indoctrinate 'em while they're young and impressionable. Standard business tactic. Used by Governments, Companies, and Churches the world over. Don't take it personally.
- nalf38, on 12/06/2007, -0/+6Seraph582: I'm a die-hard linux user, but I don't see anything wrong with your question. You could probably put XP on the EePC and it would run just fine. Not great, but fine.
Here's where I plug Linux: You'll never, never, never, ever get Vista to run on one of those machines. And, while I said you could get XP to work "fine," Linux runs GREAT on it because you can choose window managers like Enlightenment that are feature-rich but use a very minimal amount of memory and CPU, leaving all the extra RAM and CPU cycles for running applications, which Vista and XP can't do. - DBDelicious, on 12/06/2007, -3/+8Wow what a pickle Microsoft has gotten themselves into. I think that yet again this is a by product of the Windows Vista debacle. I use Windows everyday professionally, and personally and my XP boxes are rock solid. However I am in the same boat as Asus, I too would like a more future forward OS at this point.
- ASSHO, on 12/06/2007, -0/+4I've been using Puppy Linux, and booting it off of a USB Flash Drive. The linux kernel and all of the packages have been re-written to run completely in RAM. It's blazing fast, and is binary compatible with Slackware. It's way faster than Ubuntu, much easier to use, and can even run without a HD. It pretty much supports everything you need, including OpenOffice.
- dinostabOMG, on 12/06/2007, -0/+4First I've heard of it, but I looked it up http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ferroelectric_RAM
Sounds cool! Thanks for the comment. - earlycj5, on 12/06/2007, -0/+4He's being dugg down because (and you) miss the point of the Eee PC. Go find another ultraportable laptop for the price of the Eee. Last I checked on Newegg anything with a screen smaller than ~13" started at $1200 or more. Anything between the Eee and that was BIG and HEAVY (I should know, I have an Acer that cost ~$600). Great laptop, but not small and portable.
- inactive, on 12/06/2007, -0/+4EU a 'small union'?
Sometimes your trolling isn't that bad, sometimes it isn't trolling at all but right now you've just talked out of your arse. - yenster, on 12/06/2007, -0/+3"Microsoft seems determined to turn things around in the ultramobile space and is now making a valiant effort to meet the requirements of hardware manufacturers."
"Making a valiant effort" is not the same thing as succeeding. The captain of the Titanic made a valiant effort to keep the ship afloat as well. - EEdesigner, on 12/06/2007, -4/+7Microsoft is working from the software equivalent of vacuum tubes. Linux - of course - well, you know what they're using (and it's far, far ahead of the gang that couldn't program straight).
- chodaboy, on 12/06/2007, -1/+3Why XP? Why not Vista? Aren't they trying to sunset this OS? (Yes this was sarcasm...)
- JasonCox, on 12/06/2007, -1/+3They'll keep them separate as long as every country as its own laws, rules and regulations. Moving product isnt as simple as walking into Customers and asking for shelf space at the local retailer.
- earlycj5, on 12/06/2007, -2/+4Nobody said Microsoft was going anywhere. RTFA!
- simongzster, on 12/06/2007, -2/+4The American auto industry also once enjoyed market dominance. Microsoft has a fairly good operating system, and getting better. So does Linux. The difference, of course, is price. Should be interesting to see how this all unfolds on the global market over the next 10 years.
- rouslan, on 12/06/2007, -0/+2Reminds me of this: "Microsoft trials XP on XO laptop" http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/technology/7130637.stm
"The availability of Windows on the XO could boost take-up of the machine. There have been reports that some countries have been cautious about signing-up to the project because it does not run Windows, the world's most popular operating system."
-So this is the reason [ignorant] people are opposed to Linux (not knowing about compatibility).
"The engineers have also had to work to fit the operating system into a much smaller amount of storage."
-Not surprised at all.
"...tens of thousands of existing educational applications written for Windows can potentially run on the XO."
-Applications (and even some games) run perfectly on wine. Considering the simplicity of educational programs, most will definitely work.
"...enable a great Windows experience at as low a cost as possible"
-Isn't that two oxymorons in one sentence? - leexy, on 12/06/2007, -3/+5There is not gonna be any 10" Eee. And the animal is spelled "gorilla". Guerrilla is what American troops are often caught into.
- Theli, on 12/07/2007, -0/+2Whatever gets you off digg for a while is fine with me.
- niallabrown, on 12/13/2007, -0/+1Please take it personally. Very personally. These are kids they are trying to mess up.
- Myztry, on 12/07/2007, -0/+1Windows can make it. All that is needed is to triple the hardware, double the price, give up freedom, and lower expectations.
- niallabrown, on 12/13/2007, -0/+1You are so ignorant.... I feel bad for you. Linux is built by people from all over the world. People who have to send huge files to each other. For 90% of its life Linux has not had the Internet infrastructure to develop. Wikis, forums, broadband downloads and so on. Nor did it have the number of people who are now on-line contributing. With advances in the communities ability to communicate just in the past few years Linux has gone from taking baby steps to bounding leaps forward and it will only increase.
- fucter, on 12/06/2007, -3/+4I love my Eee PC, i have a huge gaming type desktop, and I use the Eee PC in class everyday and for trips etc... I wouldn't want windows on it, Linux does a fine job. every schmuck who has the art skills of a monkey thinks they would switch to Linux if photoshop was ported to linux. Using photoshop on these tiny laptops would be ridiculous. All they are meant for is stupid little games, checking email, and casual web browsing.
on a side note.
I have come to the conclusion that I am a Linux fan boy. But i did just install vista onto an old PC to be used as a TV recording device. Windows works better with tv tuners, cause well, the drivers are better. Oh, and by old I mean about 2 years old (top of the line 2 years ago). - Darcy, on 12/06/2007, -1/+2Yeah, still under 1% market-share after 15 years, despite being free, I don't think anyone could of imagined that.
- niallabrown, on 12/13/2007, -0/+1If we simply allow Microsoft to cripple XP and shove it in these less expensive boxes, where does the innovation come in? The Open Source community is innovating at an unprecedented pace in the past few years and has so much more to offer. Microsoft needs to come up with something better than crippling and re-branding a product from years ago if it wants peoples business. Also, many new open source projects are focusing on exploring the possibilities and stretching the legs of small mobile devices after years of being limited by the pathetic Windows mobile. We are already starting to see many new devices that are powerd by open source software.
- inactive, on 12/08/2007, -0/+127 of the most richest countries in the world.
- fucter, on 12/06/2007, -1/+2the classmate and the olpc comes to mind. classmate has windows. also sony has some tablet style device VAIO UX180P but i dont think its flash based
- niallabrown, on 12/13/2007, -0/+1Putting Windows on the OPLC only ensures that these kids cant afford any of the programs they learn when they grow up. It also destroys the culture of sharing and building community resources that Open Source brings.
- Darcy, on 12/06/2007, -0/+1"Global sales of Mac OS X are increasing at a higher percentage rate than Windows."
Even the most hardcore Apple fanboys must know that this claim is a complete lie. - niallabrown, on 12/13/2007, -0/+1This is very true. Running Linux is truly a freeing experience. It wants you to have everything you could want or need and makes it as accessible as possible to you. Using a Windows PC afterwords makes me feel very restricted and like I never have everything I need unless I am constantly paying.
- duffahtolla, on 12/06/2007, -0/+1I think your confusing this with the computer dealer that beat microsoft and made a sale of computers with linux installed and then was told afterwards that they liked the deal and would buy the computers from him, but that they would put windows on them after delivery. It was assumed that the leaders son, who works with microsoft somehow arranged the change
Those were not OLPCs. - niallabrown, on 12/13/2007, -0/+1Puppy? Why would you recommend that to people who don't know Linux? Xubuntu was just optimized for the EEEPC and has the codec fetcher and browser plug in wizard. You can get it here: http://wiki.eeeuser.com/ubuntu:eeexubuntu:home
- nalf38, on 12/06/2007, -0/+1Yeah, I'll second that. I have a 400mhz laptop that I figured was pretty much useless. I installed Puppy onto the HD last week and it is damn fast, faster than the win98se that it originally came with. The newest version (puppy3) is also much more pleasing to the eye and more feature-rich than the last incarnation. It's easier to install onto the hard drive, the setup dialogs are much more intuitive, etc. etc.
Puppy actually boots up faster on that old laptop than new laptop running Sabayon Linux. - inactive, on 12/06/2007, -0/+1Three words: not gonna happen. Asus already have a line of laptops in that range:
http://www.newegg.com/Product/ProductList.aspx?Sub ... - niallabrown, on 12/13/2007, -0/+1You left out the fact that they the country undid this change. Microsoft was told off once by them, then they tried to go through the Manufacturer without permission. The country told MS to ***** off twice.
- rwscold, on 12/09/2007, -0/+1Why are much more powerful machines similarly priced then?
- duckyinc, on 12/06/2007, -0/+1yes
- motang, on 12/06/2007, -4/+4I would love get myself a flash based PC...I am holding out for the 10 inch Asus EEE PC as the 7 is too small for my guerrilla hands.
- duckyinc, on 12/06/2007, -3/+3So to cut it short, microsoft is improving and someone thinks that it's because linux is better then windows
- inactive, on 12/06/2007, -2/+1This article is a real iOpener.
- dotnetnoob, on 12/06/2007, -2/+1"Global sales of Mac OS X are increasing at a higher percentage rate than Windows."
Do you have any hard number to back that up or you just making it up? - fkr3, on 12/06/2007, -4/+3Everyone thinks they can and some of them do it very successfully. I'm looking at you Apple.
I'd love to see a single pricing model around the world but I don't think it's going to happen beyond small unions like the EU. - fkr3, on 12/06/2007, -3/+1I meant small by comparison to the entire world, 27 countries out of ~194?
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