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- pak314, on 06/19/2009, -4/+72How about the fact that Windows 7 is not released yet?
- suntzusputnik, on 06/19/2009, -4/+58windows xp is like the ps2 of operating systems
- Giac, on 06/18/2009, -18/+49seriously....after using windows 7 as my main os for 2 months I cant see the point why people still use XP
- antdude, on 06/18/2009, -0/+27Old hardwares and softwares. :P
- MtheoryX, on 06/19/2009, -22/+49Oh for *****'s sake. Kill XP, kill IE6, and everyone move the ***** on already.
If users choose not to progress, let them stagnate alone by themselves while the rest of us move forward. - nik707, on 06/19/2009, -3/+29If it ain't broke....
- inactive, on 06/19/2009, -4/+29Cos it works for most people's needs?
- tkcom, on 06/19/2009, -1/+2210 more years! 10 more years! :D
- GreatDrok, on 06/19/2009, -1/+21The word is 'moot' not mute.
- state08, on 06/19/2009, -1/+20Windows XP is going to (if it already hasn't) set some kind of record for the operating system that has a biggest user base for such a old OS.
- MSP1, on 06/19/2009, -4/+22XP already does what the vast majority of windows users need as OS to do, so they don't need Vista or Windows 7. It is very sad (and wasteful) that some people are just obsessed with "having the latest thing".
- MSP1, on 06/19/2009, -2/+17"XP on the other hand is coming up on 10 years old"
What does its age have to do with anything? If it does what you need it to do, why would you need a replacement? - Xenon2434, on 06/19/2009, -4/+19No, no let's not get all holier than thou.
I admit, it may be coming up on that time, BUT, until very recently, XP was king. I think it is a general truth that Vista sucks *****. It is slow, buggy, annoying, and just not as nice as XP was. Now, 7 is a substantial improvement on Vista, and probably good enough to best XP.
Microsoft is basically assuming that Vista doesn't exist, and is allowing people a couple of years to upgrade from XP to 7 - AaronCo, on 06/19/2009, -3/+17For ppl running stuff on 1GB of ram, like netbooks. I think at this point XP should be molded into windows 7 lite.
- Zarimus, on 06/18/2009, -3/+16I hate the way they do this every time. "We're cutting you off!" "No, seriously!" "We're not just jerking your chain here!" <pause> "Okay, have another year or two. But remember to thank us on your bony knees for being so awesome."
- kahlessreborn, on 06/19/2009, -1/+14Because its not out yet?
- darkmagician777, on 06/19/2009, -1/+12Well with the present economy - there is no real reason to change what works. slap in a present security and your set - XP is fine. If Microsoft expects people to shell out a couple hundred for the upgrade (clean install for the XP user) , your going to have a problem. Even right now the newest current versions of Linux are becoming popular and more user friendly. Ill keep the XP I got. Once XP crashes, you know it will, and Microsoft stops giving service packs and .net downloads, Im dumping them completely for UBUNTU.
It really is a viable XP replacement that can run itunes, wow, and other popular software like java and firefox . I hope apple takes a hint and makes a Linux version (holding my breath).
SP4? - mrkmrk, on 06/19/2009, -1/+11"moot," dammit.
- Plonkely, on 06/19/2009, -0/+8You're still using Firefox 2? Are you happy with a slower and more insecure browser? I believe they're planning on stopping patching it soon. (Or have they already done so?)
- hardeep1singh, on 06/19/2009, -0/+8Most of the hardware works on 7. As it goes for software, its manufacturer's headache, its been 4 years since Vista came out. If they haven't updated their software all this while, they deserve to be termed as dead.
- buddamus, on 06/19/2009, -5/+13After the ***** up of Vista I moved to Ubuntu, I only fire up XP now for games. I want to try Windows 7 but have no real need to change until people stop making XP compatible games
- hfactor, on 06/19/2009, -3/+11Old != bad. I use XP cause it works just fine, I use a 19" CRT cause it still does the job, but I do have broadband internet and a Core 2 Duo, thank you.
OH NOES! I'VE BEEN USING THE SAME BRAND OF TOILET PAPER FOR TWO YEARS! HOW CAN I KEEP UP WITH THE JONESES?? - Nephersir7, on 06/19/2009, -3/+10I have been using the Windows 7 beta and RC since their respective releases. I have come through more bugs (in the RC) than I ever did in 6 months of extensive Vista SP1 use. There aren't that many bugs, but they are noticeable. Vista was a great improvement over XP, and Seven is a noticeable improvement over Vista. XP just feels outdated. It work well, but it isnt adapted to the current reality.
It seems to be surviving exactly the same way than Sony's PS2 does. - inactive, on 06/19/2009, -3/+10uhhh...the whole point is that too MANY people want to hang out with XP.
- CoreyTamas, on 06/19/2009, -2/+9Apparently Vista was no bottle of French perfume, either.
- portnoy, on 06/19/2009, -0/+6All they have to do is offer a cheap upgrade path from XP to 7 and I'd make the move. I just don't plan to pay full price for 7. As it is I guess I'll wait around using XP until I find 7 OEM for under $50
- JohnnySoftware, on 06/19/2009, -0/+6This will make Windows XP the oldest legacy operating system in history.
Gee, what was Apple shipping when XP came out - 10.0? What are they on now - 10.5 with 10.6 arriving next year? That was some Linux kernel versions ago too.
What is wrong? Is this a Windows flaws problem, a Windows software/hardware architecture problem, a Windows applications developers problem, or a Windows-customers/IT-departments problem?
Because it really looks like a problem.
I don't know if the woodshed is the right place to go. Seems like the drawing board would be a better venue. Salvage the good parts - or ideas, at least. Whatever ideas led to this messy situation - leave those out.
California's Air/Ground air traffic control system's communications winked out one day several years ago because they were trying to keep the application running on Microsoft Windows 95 (rel. 1) years after it had been found to crash every 47.9 days. [Yeah, they forgot to reboot the Windows PCs that day].
What kind of mayhem is going to result when people continue to run an OS with deep security flaws years after its natural expiration date?
This seems very analogous to the situation that arose running Windows 95 rel. 1 in 2005 and then the inevitable happened: fatal bag connected to produce a fatal error and the system locked up.
Maybe people need to look at running any 10 year old operating system with deep-running flaws in it and that no longer has primary support from its vendor as asking for trouble
They better read the known/implicit bug lists to find out what they are facing and how to counteract them. And also factor into their disaster situation/response plans, that one day - they are going to fail to take their countermeasures and the only thing that new staff will have to fall back on at that time is the problem diagnosis/response plans that hopefully have been passed down to them in writing and that they have trained upon & tested out. - MSP1, on 06/19/2009, -1/+7Silly person! You confuse the availability of new things with progress. For most people XP does the job, so why waste money and time on a new version? The commercial world has trained you to salivate every time they say "new version".
- MizuhoChan, on 06/19/2009, -0/+5DOS isn't on Windows at all.
- Strenoth, on 06/19/2009, -1/+6@howcansheslap: Fortunately, if you really want to, you can mod the WinXP GUI to look different if you don't like it.
- cslawren, on 06/19/2009, -6/+11Except it is. Aside from being extremely old, it is far less secure than Vista or 7, and isn't aptly designed to repel attacks with built-in security measures like Vista or 7 are. It's more of a security risk to use it than the newer ones. XP wasn't broken 5 years ago, but in today's computer arena, it is due to it's age and lack of sophiostication that only comes with technological advancements.
- AaronCo, on 06/19/2009, -2/+7Laff. Just because it runs doesn't mean it runs well.
The official "requirements" of windows 7 as per Micky:
1ghz processor
1gb ram for 32bit, 2gb for 64 bit
16 GB disk for 32bit, 20 gb for 64 bit
DirectX 9 compat graphics chip
So the ad on newegg the other day, for a system w/ 4gb SSD and 512mb ram would never have a chance. The top of the line netbooks with the 1.7 atom, 1gb ram, 160gb drive, they could... but with 1gb as a minimum you're going to need some tweaking to get things running well.
The alternative is to get a copy of XP home, upgrade to SP3 and some packs, pop on your office of choice and let the wireless client do the rest. Fast and to the point, less services to hog your memory and dirt simple hardware support.
In this situation, as DX10 isn't a factor, there's little 7 can do that XP can't from a "what ppl actually need" perspective. So why not go with XP? Add in the simple fact that more ppl are familiar with XP than 7, suddenly you've got a real selling point. XP has a niche.
Now yes, when netbooks get 64 bit and 4 gigs of ram then things'll be different. But as software requirements are so far behind current hardware, and current hardware is so far behind OS capability... XP has a niche. - Elranzer, on 06/19/2009, -0/+5Which AAA-games are DirectX10-only? Xbox ports don't count.
- Genma, on 06/19/2009, -0/+5and now you can even emulate ps2 on it (pcsx2).
- christoast, on 06/19/2009, -0/+4How is making it available stagnating your progress? This is literally about letting them stagnate alone...
- kamisama, on 06/19/2009, -0/+4"I know exactly what I'm doing."
Yeah I get lots of people over my floor that claim exactly that. Doesn't make the fact go away they need to have their system fixed by someone who actually does know his stuff. It's never their fault, it's always the pc or the operating system, I know the type all too well. - sekander94, on 06/19/2009, -0/+4512gb of ram, onboard graphics, 3.2ghz single core processor. I don't meet the system requirements, and I'm guessing most other people on digg who use XP are in the same situation.
That being said, there's no need to continue selling it. - orbish, on 06/19/2009, -0/+4darkmagician777 kind of hit the nail on the head. I think it's about the economy. It doesn't make much sense for any company to upgrade a secretary who uses outlook and word to win7, or even office2007/2010, If corporations' hands were forced into buying a lot of win7/vista licenses right now simply because security updates were no longer coming down, it would be a DISASTER for MS. IT admins would start taking a serious look at open source alternatives if they haven't already.
- Zippo, on 06/19/2009, -3/+7I suppose you want us to get off your lawn, too.
- cslawren, on 06/19/2009, -0/+4Thank you for copying what another digger said already.
- docjeff, on 06/19/2009, -0/+4You found a way to make XP use half a terabyte of RAM? Holy mother of pearl... ;) I think you meant 512kb of ram there :D
- paulsmith288, on 06/19/2009, -3/+7face it - ie6 will be around for many many years - for the benefit of all mankind [/s]
- inactive, on 06/19/2009, -0/+3XP is wayy to customizable to ditch out on it yet, however windows 7 is solid, give that time however.
- Blackrider74, on 06/19/2009, -1/+4lol, the command line != DOS. DOS was a command line only OS. Windows, Linux and Macs all have a command line, that doesn't make them DOS based OS's.
- CoreyTamas, on 06/19/2009, -3/+6One does not and should not move on for the sake of moving on. If you're going to walk away from something that works, it had better be for the sake of something that works better. If not, you're the market's plaything.
- mrswirl, on 06/19/2009, -0/+3I do a lot of small business consulting and there is still a huge need for XP support. Simply put, there are tons of applications that are business critical that have not yet made the move to Vista and will take years more before they support Win7.
Unlike your typical basement dwelling nerd, businesses use XP-based apps for things such as credit card processing, point of sale, accounting, payroll, inventory control, etc, etc.... not just Office and Quickbooks - these apps are mostly developed by small independent software vendors who market specifically to small businesses that cannot afford expensive, custom software systems.
WIndows 7 may be advanced and a huge improvement over XP but untill all the thousands of small independant software vendors move to it then MS absolutely needs to keep supoort around for XP.
Case in point: recently called to rebuild a crashed server for a local merchant - bad motherboard. The obvious fix was to buy a new machine except that neither the credit card processing software or the point of sale system supports Vista and to upgrade to new versions would require new licenses as well as significant re-training of employees and days/weeks lost to configure and test the installation. They just couldn't afford the disruption caused by a sudden move to Vista.
Whereas my solution was to temporarily move everything to another XP box while I replaced the motherboard with one found on ebay. I had them back up and running with minimal disruption and no data loss for a grand total of $35 in parts. Now we can take our time and plan out the upgrade to more methodically. Couldn't have done this if MS had shut down XP support.
Multiply this situation by many thousands of small businesses and you can see that there is more to XP than just games and broswers. - krisrm, on 06/19/2009, -0/+3Plonkely's point also applies to XP (partially): are you happy with a more insecure operating system? I'm not going to pretend that the newer alternatives will perform faster at most tasks on the same hardware, but they have their advantages. Approach it with the "this is cool, but it would be better if..." mindset, and I'm sure you'll find many places where XP is inadequate.
- gnotDigger, on 06/19/2009, -0/+3you probably just suck at using it. I'll admit it isn't easy, but since i've already learned how to streamline it i see no reason to switch.
- CoreyTamas, on 06/19/2009, -1/+4I've heard good things about WIndows 7 and, if the final release gets the same thumbs up that the beta testers seem to be giving it, I'll seriously consider giving it a try.
But... XP being ten years old has no bearing on its desirability if it works. -
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