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- FredFredrickson, on 06/30/2009, -0/+33I'll say it once and I'll say it again – learn how to browse the internet safely, and you'll never have problems with viruses. That goes for users of all OS's.
That said, it's good that MS is working on making their platform more noob-safe when it comes to security. - twiztidsinz, on 06/30/2009, -1/+25BREAKING: BETA APPS HAVE BUGS!
- Kazbaeden, on 06/30/2009, -0/+21Internet explorer 7 and 8 on Vista/7 are sandboxed with UAC on. That's a good deal of security right there.
- FritoPendejo, on 06/30/2009, -1/+181997 called and left a return number. It would like to talk to you regarding some term you used in your post.
- solvable, on 06/30/2009, -2/+18So far it's managed to find things that AVG and Avira Antivir has failed to find for me.
With that said, I enjoy it. - thelastcivilian, on 06/30/2009, -1/+15I'm sure the EU would love to levy another record fine on Microsoft over antitrust complaints.
- inactive, on 06/30/2009, -1/+15so..you haven't used Windows since before XP SP2?
- rpeters, on 06/30/2009, -0/+14I don't get how the EU can freak out over this while OSX includes Safari and iTunes with the OS...
- inactive, on 06/30/2009, -1/+13to you maybe. Only because you have no desire to be rational and unbiased.
- coheedcollapse, on 06/30/2009, -0/+12The 99% CPU problem might be brought on by specific variables. Remember it's a beta and the main reason for putting out a beta is to catch bugs among a wide variety of individuals and computers. I haven't seen mine spike personally, but I also haven't been keeping logs. I think I would've noticed if my computer stuttered though.
- thelastcivilian, on 06/30/2009, -0/+11I don't think the intention here is to include it with Windows 7, but rather as an optional add-on like the Live Essentials pack.
- kingp, on 06/30/2009, -2/+13I've been running it since it was released. I find it to be very lean and effective. It chews up very little CPU. Of course, it also helps if you aren't an internet retard when using your PC.
- cregan89, on 06/30/2009, -1/+10You can get a virus on OS X and even Linux if you're dumb enough. Think about this, if you're a computer programmer who writes viruses to sell to companies to steal credit card information, would you write a virus for an operating system which has less than a 1% home computer market share (and that 1% would be the most tech savy and hardest to trick people on the planet) or for an operating system with even 8%? Or, would you make the logical choice and write a virus for the operating system with the huge majority of 90% of the home computer market share, a good number of which are not the brightest people on the earth and neglect to at least update their operating system to patch vulnerabilities?
- macromorgan, on 06/30/2009, -1/+8What are the anti-trust ramifications of this? When Microsoft put its own browser (a necessisary feature of a modern OS) in the OS, the EU freaked out. When they put in their own media player, the EU freaked out. How will they take this?
Windows 7 NNN (No IE, No WMP, No Security suite)? - Ev3nt372, on 06/30/2009, -0/+7Since it is a Microsoft Antivirus on Microsoft operating systems I expect it to be optimized for Vista/7 with efficient use of system resources with a low footprint in the final version. If this is the case in the final then it will replace AVG. Im happy they are giving proper X64 support.
- roxgod666, on 06/30/2009, -1/+8I wouldn't know if it's effective, i haven't gotten any form of malware in Windows 7 yet.
- SSUK, on 06/30/2009, -1/+7DeFex: In an ideal world, we could all dream that an OS could be free of viruses or malware. However, even UNIX systems have viruses. There's just not as many computers running these OSes because they're so few and far between compared to Windows OSes and the ignorance of the masses that makes them prime targets.
Viruses are normal executable files, running 'legitimate' code. How a program operates is what makes it malicious. Think of it as a knife. Knives are useful in their own ways, but can also be harmful if desired by the person using it. That's what some programming code can be like. I'm pretty sure the browser you're using right now shares common traits with a virus, however doesn't operate in the same manner. If you stop programs from tampering with components like the contents of a HDD, you're removing a basic function of programs like saving, loading and deleting temporary files to help speed up processes/remove installation files/recovery files incase of a crash, etc.
I've run my laptop (Windows XP) now for about 4 years. I don't open anything from websites I know nothing about, use the latest versions of browsers and keep my anti-virus/anti-spyware/firewall all up to date. Never had a single problem with a virus or spyware. If people were more careful about what they download, be sceptical about every .exe file they download off the web and used browsers with decent protection against rouge website shenanigans, we'd all be better off. However, people aren't. While Windows Vista and Windows 7 are huge leaps forward with things like the UAC (love it or hate it) to help prevention of viruses and programs accessing things they shouldn't, they'll take years to seep into the mainstream and even then it's not 100% foolproof against viruses, which will find sneaky ways around such counter-measures.
So essentially, you either have a very restrictive OS which you'll hate. Or an open OS which you just be more careful on/have to put in the administrator password every time you want to install something. ... Or people stop making these bloody viruses, but that will not happen. - travistubbs, on 06/30/2009, -3/+9My biggest problem so far has been MicrosoftAntiMalware.exe (or MSAntiMalware.exe) always periodically using near 100% CPU usage here and there, even when I'm not doing anything. I think avast! ran better than this, but there's also a reason why it's a beta.
- Kazbaeden, on 06/30/2009, -0/+4I had the same experience. There was a Windows 7 build I downloaded once which had adware built into IE8. When you would do a search in IE8, it would redirect you to some random site.
Avast and AVG did not find it. When WSE beta was released I decided to reinstall that version and see if it would do the trick. Sure enough, the malware was found and deleted. I was pretty impressed. - JediSean12, on 06/30/2009, -0/+4Is this article full of *****? Is it lean, or does it hog CPU cycles as fellow diggers say?
- cregan89, on 06/30/2009, -0/+4I've heard of multiple people having this problem. It sounds like it's specific to XP. I've never had that issue on Windows 7 RC yet.
- GezusK, on 06/30/2009, -0/+4XP here, no problems. Happen to have any other software that may be interfering?
- e3revolution, on 06/30/2009, -0/+4I've got the program. If you look at the memory it takes up, it is about 4MB (pretty small) but while its scanning another process shows up and thats about 30MB. Its actually pretty lean considering it takes only a little for memory than NOD32. I've never had it go above 30% CPU usage.
- GezusK, on 06/30/2009, -1/+5DeFex, that's impossible. You let Mac or Linux get near the share that Windows have, and you'll start seeing malware for those too.
- jakem1, on 06/30/2009, -0/+3There shouldn't be any antitrust issues as the software will only be available as a free download. It won't come bundled with Windows.
- cregan89, on 06/30/2009, -0/+3I think from what I've heard the problem is specific to XP. I've never had the problem on Windows 7, and I haven't heard of anybody having the problem in Vista. Anybody who is having the issue, what operating system are you on?
- sdwilly, on 06/30/2009, -0/+3Haven't seen any spikes on my two Win7 RC machines. Just installed it on my older XP machine, but nothing out of the ordinary yet.
- cal0140, on 06/30/2009, -1/+4Failure Troll fails at trolling.
- jakem1, on 06/30/2009, -3/+6Given that it's a beta, did you report the problem to Microsoft so they could look into it or did you just wait for an appropriate topic to appear on Digg so you could bitch about it?
- Spyder2k, on 06/30/2009, -0/+3But is it effective? The article does not address this.
- sndream, on 06/30/2009, -0/+3Wait until EU slap a antitrust lawsuit on it and MS have to stop providing better service to customers.
- cregan89, on 06/30/2009, -1/+4Ya what version of Windows are you using? I heard it has this problem in XP. I've never had that on Windows 7 RC though.
- cregan89, on 06/30/2009, -1/+4Exactly, people always complain that Windows is so insecure. It's actually perfectly secure if you're smart when you use your computer! If you download an MP3 and it asks you to install a program in order to play it, it's probably not a very good idea to install the program.
I've used Windows for many years with no antivirus and have not gotten a virus. I have installed the MSE Beta anyways though just to try it out of curiosity and just in case I get a little carried away downloading porn one night. It's really good. I haven't run into any of the CPU hogging that other people are seeing. I'm on Windows 7 though so I think the problem sounds like it is specific to XP. - jts10, on 06/30/2009, -1/+4If Fred Fredrickson has told you once, HE HAS TOLD YOU A THOUSAND TIMES!
- Nephersir7, on 07/01/2009, -0/+2I am running Win7 RC (64 bits) and it completely paralyzed my computer. For whatever reason, at startup (or when using random software), it made my RAM usage go straight to 4 out of 4GB with insane CPU load. A reinstall fixed it though.
It managed to find threats (old jokeware on a old backup of a thumb drive, but it locked when trying to remove it). - inactive, on 06/30/2009, -3/+5it should be part of the operating systems basic function, not an optional add on.
- twiztidsinz, on 07/01/2009, -0/+2You're confusing Release Candidate with Beta....
Also, this IS generally usable... just not for you. - gdenne, on 07/01/2009, -0/+1No, I uninstalled my AV whilst trying the MSE beta on Xp SP2.
- andymadigan, on 06/30/2009, -2/+3Apple isn't as big, yes it matters legally speaking.
However, saying this could cause an antitrust allegation is the same as saying that fixing security holes would cause an antitrust allegation because it reduces the market-share for AV makers. AV is a stopgap measure for the most part, so their market isn't protected. - gdenne, on 07/01/2009, -2/+3Yes, I reported it. No need for the snide remark.
- bashmohandesx, on 06/30/2009, -3/+4***** -you=ass
- JohnnySoftware, on 07/22/2009, -0/+1Apparently not. The death of malware for MS-Windows is greatly exaggerated.
- e3revolution, on 06/30/2009, -0/+1Wait till some comparatives come out, but also don't start judging UNTIL the results come out.
- bashmohandesx, on 06/30/2009, -0/+1Even before
- funkyloki, on 06/30/2009, -0/+1Like what, specifically? It may be something, it may be nothing, let us know.
- fandyllic, on 06/30/2009, -1/+1I'll believe it when it happens. MS is in love with bundling.
- inactive, on 07/01/2009, -2/+2Go back to your apple circle jerk fagboy.
- jakem1, on 06/30/2009, -1/+1Or it could be Winword.exe for all we know :) It would help to have more information.
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