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- inactive, on 02/04/2009, -11/+55That's right people, keep bitching about different versions because you have nothing left to complain about against Microsoft. FYI: there are only 3 SKU's being released to the public.
- stooge4ever, on 02/04/2009, -3/+33*sigh*
You people never learn.
FTA: "But Microsoft will only sell Windows 7 Home Premium and Windows 7 Professional at retail, in a bid to eliminate some of the confusion caused by a plethora of Windows Vista versions."
The day you people learn to read the article instead of blindly burying anything Microsoft (I'm an Ubuntu, for the record), I will eat my Windows XP Tablet Edition PC with Windows 7 x32 and Ubuntu Intrepid x64 triple-booting.
*steps off soapbox* - thwoom, on 02/04/2009, -6/+34only 2 will be available for standard users in america. get over it.
- RSAgent007, on 02/04/2009, -2/+25Read fail.
Windows 7.
Not 7 SKUs. - shanos, on 02/04/2009, -2/+21Whats it like, you know, being an ubuntu?
- insertAliasHere, on 02/04/2009, -7/+25I'm so sick of this argument. Consumers will only see 2 SKUs, max 3.
Starter won't be marketed in the USA, its for developing countries.
Basic won't be sold in retail stores.
Enterprise won't be marketed to consumers, only to Corporations, who tend to have IT staffs that know what they need.
And Ultimate isn't going to be on the shelves either, it will be an upgrade.
So the end user has 2 choices: Home Premium, and Professional. Kinda like XP Home/Pro.
So, realistically, the consumer is only dealing with 2 SKUs, the others may as well not exist. - djbon2112, on 02/04/2009, -8/+23It makes sense:
Starter/Home Basic - Emerging markets/netbooks/low-cost PCs
Home Premium - Everyday home/SOHO users
Professional - Everyday business users
Enterprise - Large enterprise/business users
Ultimate - Gamers and enthusiasts
You're only ever going to see 2, perhaps 3 at retail, which is the exact same as XP was; the rest are for OEMs/businesses.
There's only two points of contention I have: 1, they could easily have combined Starter and Home Basic into one release for simplicity, and 2, I'd much rather see them sell Ultimate + Home Premium at retail, rather than Professional + Home Premium. - stooge4ever, on 02/04/2009, -2/+16It's amazing. I change species every six months.
- nmanguy, on 02/04/2009, -5/+19Dammit shut up, it's not 5 versions. I mean, it is, but not really. Normal people will only get to have Home Premium or Professional, JUST LIKE XP! Enterprise is for business customers, and there will be little need of it outside of... enterprises.Ultimate is going to be the hardcore version, with encryption, etc. The stripped down starter version is for netbooks, so no surprise there, not like you want to run ultimate on there anyway. The average person will see only 2 choices, and hardcore 3.
- Factionrider, on 02/04/2009, -1/+14No, you just can't read.
- djbon2112, on 02/04/2009, -5/+17It's tailored to user needs. 98% of home users don't need BitLocker and AppLocker. Microsoft paid money to have those features developed, so of course they're going to charge for them. But why make a home user who will never need them, pay for them? The answer: cut it out, and sell the version without them for less. Voila, now you have Professional vs. Enterprise. It's the same with the other versions: taking out features that aren't targeted at that particular market to save money.
It's hardly a cash grab, if anything, it benefits everyday users. - djbon2112, on 02/04/2009, -2/+12Well, 2.5: Ultimate will be available as an upgrade for those who want it, it just won't be in retail.
- djbon2112, on 02/04/2009, -2/+10There are: Starter/Home Basic, Home Premium, Ultimate.
Considering you'll only be able to buy Home Premium at retail, yes, they have learned from their "mistakes". It's only confusing if you're retarded. - Hazardc, on 02/04/2009, -1/+9You're whining about stuff that happened 14 years ago (windows 95)
jesus christ, get over it. it's a ***** operating system. If you think windows 95 wasn't a step up from what was there before (3.1?) I dont know what to say to you, because we're still using OS's that look pretty much like win95 today.
Have fun being bitter and pissed over something so insignificant though. - PhoenixAvatar2, on 02/04/2009, -3/+10I'd disagree, it's a cash grab, but in principle it's perfectly understandable. Now whether they charge too much for it is another argument but Microsoft is a business and they have every right to charge more for a product with more features.
- djbon2112, on 02/04/2009, -0/+7"difficult system that really has not been updated for 12 odd years since nt4 came out."
Do you know anything about Vista? This is exactly what it was: a ground-up rewrite of the Windows NT kernel, with backwards compatibility added. But, that needed a new driver model, and everyone bitched about that. Are you dumb? - rakeshishere, on 02/04/2009, -5/+12No Windows 7- Recession Edition?
- unorthodoxor, on 02/04/2009, -3/+10Those comments are not critical at all, it just retarded reasoning. People complained that 6 versions is too many, so they are going to release only 2 versions this time, you still complains. What the hell do you want us to do other than bury your comments? We are dealing with simpletons who can't read, think and reason.
- Hazardc, on 02/04/2009, -0/+6It was buried because that's how digg works, calling everyone 12 year olds that only use their computer to play TF isn't going to help your cause.
- inactive, on 02/04/2009, -1/+7most netbooks come with windows.
- 4degrees, on 02/04/2009, -2/+8yea man, it is 6 skus... you are WAY off...
- EdGasket, on 02/04/2009, -0/+6Paul Thurrott's article says VERY limited retail availability. Don't know about OEM stores like Newegg. It may well be available via Windows Anytime Upgrade from within Windows to everyone.
- koinek, on 02/04/2009, -0/+6stooge4ever FTW.
- twiztidsinz, on 02/04/2009, -4/+10"Microsoft still can't get it right, stick to no more than 2 SKUs, how hard can it be?"
I know... they should take a lesson from Linux.... http://distrowatch.com/ - thephosphorbox, on 02/04/2009, -3/+9I really don't understand why "Professional" and "Enterprise" can't be merged into a single version.
Nix the word "Home".. have 4 versions.. Basic, Premium, Professional and Ultimate. End of story.
That said, I'm actually excited about Win7.. I'm looking forward to upgrading my trusty XP box finally. - jakem1, on 02/04/2009, -0/+6Very few people are likely to want Ultimate because Professional is now a superset of Home Premium. Everything in Vista Ultimate is essentially in 7 Professional.
- fucknuggets, on 02/04/2009, -1/+7READ THE ***** ARTICLE
- Kazbaeden, on 02/04/2009, -1/+6You're confused about what MinWin is.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/MinWin
"Mark Russinovich suggested that some of the confusion surrounding MinWin may be related to the imprecise use of the word "kernel";[13] MinWin is not, in and of itself a kernel, but rather a set of components that includes both the Windows NT executive and several other components that Russinovich has described as "Cutler's NT""
If you're using Windows 7, you're using min win. - Dubbsacc, on 02/04/2009, -1/+6They do, they're called OEM copies. If you've ever built your own computer you might have heard of it.
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N8 ...
$99 for Vista Home Premium, a full version as well, not an upgrade. - unorthodoxor, on 02/04/2009, -1/+6Use your eyes to read, then use your brain to think. How hard can it be?
- specialK16, on 02/04/2009, -1/+6If you are using Vista, you are using MinWin.
- puttly, on 02/04/2009, -1/+6Are you stupid?
There ARE 3 versions at most. Home, Professional and Ultimate.
However, if you buy a netbook you will get the netbook version and if you run a corporation when you license windows 7 you get windows enterprise.. - Meekers, on 02/04/2009, -1/+6Read the damn article you idiot.
- kiiwii, on 02/04/2009, -1/+6People will continue to complain, but this explanation makes sense to me. It's not that complicated.
I just hope that this time around, "Home Premium" allows remote desktop connections. Probably not, but one can hope... - TheSabre, on 02/04/2009, -0/+5I hate to break it to you, but there are more than two types of users. I didn't mind Vista's large number of options because it gave me the ability to purchase something that fit MY needs.
- PirateD00D, on 02/04/2009, -0/+5I'm currently running Windows 7 beta on my Eee PC 900, and it is surprisingly quick. Sub 15 sec boot from power on to login prompt. Do I win?
- mikemil828, on 02/04/2009, -1/+6//There's only two points of contention I have: 1, they could easily have combined Starter and Home Basic into one release for simplicity.//
Starter is for systems even weaker than the typical system that use home basic. Just like how Ubuntu has Xubuntu for the systems that are really lousy, so too does Microsoft.
//and 2, I'd much rather see them sell Ultimate + Home Premium at retail, rather than Professional + Home Premium//
Professional gets far, far more users than Ultimate, why would Microsoft sell in retail store a version of Windows that only those with more money than sense will buy, instead of a version that folks might actually demand? That's what I thought. - unorthodoxor, on 02/04/2009, -2/+7What!? Are you kidding me, did I read the article? The point is consumers will only see two versions in retail, so no more confusion on choosing which one. Why would you complain on the other versions which you will never see or be able to choose from.
- jakem1, on 02/04/2009, -0/+4Considering that you're arguing for no more than two versions of Windows but then add that you'd like an additional version for Netbooks I think your opinion can be safely discounted. If you can concede that a special edition may be required for Netbooks then surely you can accept that other people in different situations might want a special edition as well.
Is there a special reason why you hate developing countries and corporations? - Meekers, on 02/04/2009, -0/+4If you do not think Apple nickles and dimes it users then there is no point in even having this conversation. Apple offer comparable features to what one gets by paying for ultimate so that it is not like apple is giving away what microsoft charges for.
Ultimate represents some apps that go above and beyond what one should expect from the default OS. If you don't want them don't pay for them.
For example Bitlocker goes above and beyond what mac file vault offers. Windows has a application that does the same as File Vault that is also included standard. So if you do not need the advanced features Bitlocker offers you don't pay for it and you get the same level of service as OSX. - crownedgriffin, on 02/04/2009, -3/+7I don't see what the deal is. This isn't any different than XP. For the record, XP has Starter, Embedded, Home, Professional, Media Center, and Tablet Edition. Most people only remember Home and Pro, and couldn't tell you the difference between the two if you asked.
- mikemil828, on 02/04/2009, -0/+4//There's no reason that they can't have just two versions like Apple's OSX or Ubuntu//
Err...Ubuntu?
Ubuntu has:
Vanilla Ubuntu
Kubuntu
Edubuntu
Ubuntu Server
Xubuntu
Ubuntu Netbook Remix
Ubuntu JeOS
Ubuntu Mobile
etc. - ButterLoyalist, on 02/04/2009, -9/+13Windows 7 FTW.
- CLShortFuse, on 02/04/2009, -0/+4Windows XP Home = Windows 7 Home Premium
Windows XP Professional = Windows 7 Professional
Windows XP VLK = Windows 7 Enterprise
Windows 7 Ultimate = Enterprise benefits for regular people and will be an add-on, not a separate SKU - djbon2112, on 02/04/2009, -0/+4It means you won't be able to buy it in a box from Best Buy, but you will be able to buy an upgrade license from Microsoft directly via either the internet or Windows Anytime Upgrade.
- dandonia, on 02/04/2009, -0/+4Why can't the people bitching about this just ***** off. There is an option to buy the full lot - so if you only want 1 SKU that does it all buy the ultimate version. The rest don't effect you in anyway - others can buy them if they please..
- johnomaz, on 02/04/2009, -5/+9Enjoying that trolling?
- davidrools, on 02/04/2009, -0/+4I'm actually running the Windows 7 beta (ultimate version, non-optimized) on my HP Mini 1000 netbook and it runs fine...as fast as the XP Home that it shipped with. My only gripe is the fat new taskbar that takes up too much of the screen's limited vertical space.
- djbon2112, on 02/04/2009, -2/+6That's an interesting idea, however it will never work, because of 2 reasons:
1. Stupid people would be pissed off because they have to do work to get their OS working (read: one of Linux's biggest "problems")
2. People will resent paying ***** of money for something that DOESN'T work out of the box. You could argue that MS could sell the "kernel" release for cheap, but then where would they earn their money? - glittler, on 02/04/2009, -2/+5I doubt microsoft having multiple SKU's for windows will drive them out of business. Like it or not Windows will be the main OS for businesses for a long time.
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