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- praisethelard, on 06/06/2008, -8/+66OMG you just called CSS AND HTML PROGRAMMING LANGUAGES!!!1
i'm so MAD i just ***** my pants!! - aplardi, on 10/12/2007, -18/+71I'm saying this as a Mac user typing it on his Mac Mini with his Apple Keyboard (and for some reason a Dell mouse because who wants to pay that much money for an Apple Mighty Mouse), fondling his Apple Remote and swooning over his Apple iPods shiny metal backing and pristine white look, all while making out with what I wish was an Apple Display:
Stinking. Awesome.
GO MICROSOFT! - byronm, on 10/12/2007, -7/+55I think they learned from the XNA folks people like to be creative if they're given the tools. This is great news and look forward to seeing what happens. No longer pay to play.
- KaneElson, on 10/12/2007, -1/+24mlwarrior, microsoft provide express editions of visual studio for a few languages.
- DieselDaddy, on 10/12/2007, -0/+21@ihaveplans
Have you ever used it? ASP.net is a framework - a collection of controls and modules. ASP.net coupled with C# (a modern OO language - in case you didn't know) is an incredibly productive and relevant technology stack. Throw in what is arguably the best IDE out there (Visual Studio 2005) and you have something that most definitely transcends the "novice" tag you so arrogantly placed on its users.
I'm an IT manager/Systems Architect. In my area its almost impossible to find .net people because as soon as their resume hits the street they are immediately gobbled up by the consultancies and companies in the area. .net is in a HUGE demand right now. However, I do have an abundance of Java resumes - they don't seem to be moving at all. Not sure what that means for Java and corporate America's commitment to it. - KaneElson, on 10/12/2007, -3/+20W3Schools is god when it comes to looking up syntax for a particular CSS property or whatever but for actual tutorials I found it quite painfull.
- Cirieno, on 10/12/2007, -2/+17Seriously, don't be a douche. "My-language-is-better-than-your-language" arguments are boring. Live and let live? If software doesn't live up to the hype, you're free to program in your own favoured language. Viva democracy.
- xabstract, on 10/12/2007, -8/+22"The Kid's Corner makes learning to program fun for kids!"
Apple never cared about my kids! - joshman5k, on 10/12/2007, -2/+16What is wrong with ASP.NET?
I find it is great if you are integrating with a pre-existing .NET Information System. - jer2eydevil88, on 10/12/2007, -4/+18I am really impressed with what this website promises to do for kids and improving their abilities in programming. Microsoft usually plays follow the leader, with a quick round of overthrowing the leader, this proves they can put out great original services/products.
- inactive, on 10/12/2007, -7/+21There has been a need for something like this for a while... cool
- RedLion, on 10/12/2007, -0/+13so, according to you nobody should have access to basic programming knowledge just because there's a remote possibility that some random guy could believe that he knows anything just after reading a beginner tutorial or after buying a "programming for dummies book" ? great !
- aliguana, on 10/12/2007, -1/+13actually, Microsoft have released the Ajax for .net framework:
http://ajax.asp.net/ - InsaneShow, on 10/12/2007, -12/+23Baby steps . . . you have to start somewhere.
- diggerphelps, on 10/12/2007, -15/+26Wow, it's almost as if http://www.w3schools.com/ never existed!
- chris9902, on 10/12/2007, -1/+12HTML makes you a 1337 Hax0r
- sotopheavy, on 10/12/2007, -1/+11My initial reaction to this is a strongly positive one. I have been wanting to create meaningful windows and web applications for some time now but I had no idea where to start. I have taken advanced classes in several object oriented programming languages, but I only programmed for the command prompt.
I congratulate Microsoft in what seems to be a non-selfish non-evil project that will both make their products more enticing and strongly benefit their windows customers and developers. I will be testing this out over the next few weeks as I am sure many other motivated programmers will as well. - codmate, on 10/12/2007, -1/+10That comment proves that you are a novice.
You have to work in the environment you are given.
I edited Perl in VI for years.
Now I've switched jobs and my working environment has changed.
I'm working in SQL and VBscript all of a sudden.
It gets the job done - and, although I miss a lot of Perl stuff, oop is actually a lot better than in Perl (where it is a real hack)... - Rikkochet, on 10/12/2007, -4/+13Looks great on Firefox 2.0 (Windows)....
- venom8599, on 10/12/2007, -6/+15Notice they said fundamentals. Fundamentals don't make someone a good programmer, they teach the basics and concepts of programming. People have to start somewhere.
- RedLion, on 10/12/2007, -3/+11the page does not only have tutorials for web development but also for windows development.
you can find js/css tutorials almost everywhere, not only w3cschools, but if we're talking about windows applications development MSDN is the best resource available. - danielfe, on 10/12/2007, -0/+8@byronm "I think they learned from the XNA folks..."
We actually launched Visual Studio Express, our tools for beginners and hobbyists in November 2005, XNA didn't release until December 2006. In fact XNA Game Studio Express is an add-on to Visual C# Express and the XNA Framework originated as a modified version of the Compact Framwork (devices).
You're right though, we do work together and learn from each other quite a bit, and it's not just XNA, there's a Hobbyist Renaissance going on at Microsoft with everything from operating systems (Windows Home Server) to games (XNA) to Robotics (Robotics Studio) and more:
http://blogs.msdn.com/danielfe/archive/2006/08/10/694715.aspx - aliguana, on 10/12/2007, -3/+10well, its unlikely that this site is aimed at those people. Its aimed at the grandad who wants to dabble with Visual Basic, or the kid who has never done anything like it but is interested. Its like there being a site saying "you start a html page with < html >" and then you saying "great, more morons who think they can write Rails scripts". Not really fair.
(jeez, I can't believe I'm defending Microsoft, what is the world coming to? Need an Xcode session to clear my head) - ScottMitchell, on 10/12/2007, -1/+8+1 for Google as the ultimate resource. And if you do Microsoft development all day (like yours truly), the Google Microsoft search page is helpful:
http://www.google.com/microsoft.html - blcarmadillo, on 10/12/2007, -4/+10Another cool coding "how-to" website put out by Microsoft is http://msdn.microsoft.com/coding4fun/
- pamon, on 10/12/2007, -13/+19hey... everyone's not CSS HTML Java programmers. It's a good start w/ fundamentals. Good job MSFT.
- inactive, on 10/12/2007, -10/+16My 10 year old brother could care less about learning to program, while I ,on the other hand, am very interested... His loss.
- stephenwq, on 10/12/2007, -4/+10Seems to look okay on lynx as well....
- joshman5k, on 10/12/2007, -2/+8I really think those express editions are overlooked. There web developer one is great with auto complete web syntax and it is FREE!!!!
- jockser, on 10/12/2007, -1/+6i think this is great that they are letting beginners download studio express for free (because its a great software) and giving free lessons
i suggest hitting the books and those videos are a good start - MioTheGreat, on 10/12/2007, -1/+6"The studios w/ built in compilers aren't free, though."
Visual C++ Express edition contains the FULL 32-bit MSVC++ compiler....The C# and VB.NET compilers are included with every installation of the .NET Framework (Go on, check your c:windowsmicrosoft.netframeworkversion folder, csc.exe, and vbc.exe are there.), And, of course, the express editions for c# and vb.net are free, which are pretty good IDEs. - Rikkochet, on 10/12/2007, -9/+14Wow, finally.
I'll definitely be using this resource and I'm a software developer. Far too often you find yourself frustrated learning a new technology because there's no good bridging material. - jdstorer2, on 10/12/2007, -3/+7You're very much mis-informed. ASP.NET is just as good as other tools out there. It's IIS that's usually the problem. And even that's not so bad if you know what you're doing.
- ABadInAlbany, on 10/12/2007, -0/+3I don't think this is just targeted at kids. We have some COBOL/etc. mainframe programmers here who are moving into .NET, I just pointed them at the site, I think it's perfect for people coming from other technologies as much as it is for a complete newb.
- Rooker156, on 10/12/2007, -6/+9I really like this idea. I mean, kids should learn to program, I personally regret not starting sooner; if giant Microsoft is providing it, maybe it will be more readily adopted into the classroom. Just a thought.
- KaneElson, on 10/12/2007, -5/+8Just pick a language that sounds right for what you want to learn and start learning. Most of the C++ and definintly the java books will be platform independent, once you get into more complex things of course you will need to learn some platform dependent skills but untill then you can learn from a "general" book.
- reddevil3, on 10/12/2007, -6/+9I'm not saying my opinion is the right one, I'm just saying I like using PHP (Compared to Perl and Python for example). I'm just a beginner anyway, I'm sure other diggers know much more about web development.
- Duston, on 10/12/2007, -0/+3It is a Microsoft site but C# is multiplatform. See Mono: http://www.mono-project.com
- Cheeseness, on 10/12/2007, -4/+7@kaneelson
Sounds like INTERCAL is for you! - subgeniusd, on 10/12/2007, -3/+5Adam Ant?
- subgeniusd, on 10/12/2007, -1/+3Great points there except there is no "Linux" that corresponds to MSFT or Apple. Linux is a sprawling tribe of diverse clans and entities; uncoordinated and often feuding.
I know some unification efforts have been started but we are years away from seeing any real world impacts from them. - Teaboy, on 10/12/2007, -1/+3If PHP was bad then digg wouldn't work so well. And the problem with IE that you described was probably your fault ;)
- ABadInAlbany, on 10/12/2007, -0/+2@DieselDaddy: I'd be curious to know what area you're in. I'm a .NET Software Engineer myself, in the Albany, NY area ... where, probably thanks to the state, Java is still in high demand, though the balance is shifting, if slowly, towards .NET. The past nine years I spent in Rochester ... Xerox is almost all .NET, IBM was a mix when I was there five years ago, Global Crossing was a mix, also five years ago. I get recruiters calling me from NYC all the time about .NET, though I know a lot of Java guys down there too -- a high school buddy is a VP at Goldman Sachs, where it's all Java, all the time.
- undersky, on 10/12/2007, -4/+6no wonder i got an error page yesterday trying to download VB express. I guess they were changing the site.
- subgeniusd, on 10/12/2007, -5/+7How sad that Google searches MSFT better then MS Live Search searches MSFT.
- DieselDaddy, on 10/12/2007, -2/+4Who cares?
(besides the evangelical CSS zealots). - PleaseJustDie, on 10/12/2007, -0/+2Wow this seriously impresses me, I'm absolutely shocked and awed that microsoft spent this much time to do this.
- subgeniusd, on 10/12/2007, -2/+4Page looks fine with SeaMonkey1.1/Linux with no scrollbar, icon etc distortions. Maybe you need a FF reinstall.
- adamjbuckland, on 10/12/2007, -1/+3This is exactly what i have been waiting for! =)
- fufubag, on 10/12/2007, -1/+3I don't think watching these tutorials would make anyone a "programmer". They would help them use a few tools, and show them what it's all about.
People will learn what they need to. If they want a wizard to set up a form to enter info into a database using 'visual studio' then there is a tutorial here to show them how. If they want to use powerful languages to create powerful unique programs over various platforms, they obviously need more in-depth teaching/learning. -
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