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- fenixconnektion, on 10/12/2007, -9/+66As much as I want to see Vista get a wider distribution, I guess Microsoft has finally come to terms with the fact that many people will be sticking to their XP boxes due to hardware limitations or those who just want to "stick to what they know." You also can't blame Microsoft for making XP pretty darn stable though; I'd still consider using it on machines that could run Vista smoothly.
- vuke69, on 10/12/2007, -2/+55Awfully optimistic.
- gronne, on 10/12/2007, -12/+61I agree that XP is still a great OS. I do think that people who try Vista won't want to go back though. I wouldn't.
- vuke69, on 10/12/2007, -0/+37No, that was Windows 2000. And the pinnacle of Microsoft's achievements in the opinions of many.
- 1021, on 10/12/2007, -8/+42"Microsoft Extends Windows XP Support To 2014"
Yeah.. that's if we make it through 2012... - kevinmotel, on 10/12/2007, -6/+40i'm surprised you even have a girlfriend
- jamauss, on 10/12/2007, -3/+342014 - That's probably about the time the successor to Vista will be released.
- patience, on 10/12/2007, -1/+22If I am using XP in 2014, shoot me.
- GMorgan, on 10/12/2007, -1/+20XP and 2000 are practically indistinguishable under the hood. All they did was add a prettier shell and move a few things around. Of course 2000 ran more efficiently as a result.
- kypen, on 10/12/2007, -4/+24Agreed fenix.
That is why it is going to take Vista so long to catch on. People were willing to try anything after the debacle of Windows 95/98/Me and most home computers weren't sold with 2000. XP was the first MS OS that got both massive distribution and became (almost) rock solid. When they introduce a new OS into a market that, quite frankly, isn't begging for one, they shouldn't be surprised if it takes years to catch on.
What really is going to propel Vista are the applications written with the new APIs associated with it. That, of course, will take some time before developers catch on.
What MS should be pushing more than Vista is Office 2007. Such a great product in an environment that really DID need the change, like when XP was first introduced. - WalesAlex, on 10/12/2007, -7/+27As soon as more hardware becomes compatible most other people will switch. 7 years seems a bit too long though.
- nullcodes, on 10/12/2007, -1/+15I'm sure he's talking about his series of animated .GIF files. That's why the OS and GUI is not as important as having a standard image viewer.
Installing xv does the job. - Hercules, on 10/12/2007, -3/+17I'm upset in a way, because the only way you bring about innovation in Vista is to abandon the last version. Give it two or three years, and move on. It's how XP exploded (pardon the pun), when 2000 was getting discontinued. Now we're on to Vista and while it's FAR from perfect, it has the capability to do a lot more than XP ever did.. this is the nature of a successive OS.
Oh well... I'm an early adopter. Already on Vista and liking it. Not yet "loving it" but I imagine that will be around SP1 before I can say something like that. - aluminumpork, on 10/12/2007, -4/+15I agree that XP is for the most part, very solid and was/is a great OS. However, I do believe that once people move to Vista, that they won't want go back. I've had nothing but good experiences with Vista, and couldn't switch back now.
- kevnaca, on 10/12/2007, -2/+13The only feature that will sway my mind and the mind of gamers is when DirectX 10 finally gets out with some good games. That's the only great software incompatibility that gives Vista the advantage. For most people XP will be golden.
- Technopundit, on 10/12/2007, -1/+11So how many times have you installed / reinstalled Linux? Does your PC actually contain any data?
- Technopundit, on 10/12/2007, -4/+11Do you really think Linux will be ready for the desktop by 2014?
- ts8lemonade, on 10/12/2007, -3/+11Agreed. I had to use my parents XP computer earlier today and it just didn't feel as smooth as nice. Having to go back and use XP again after using Vista for a couple weeks makes XP just seem really bland.
- YoDiggity2, on 10/12/2007, -4/+12It's not censorship you assclown. It's conspiracy ***** that was buried.
- Holyfool19, on 10/12/2007, -1/+8Time to buy Windows XP !!
- inactive, on 10/12/2007, -3/+10They'll extend the support for Vista just like they are doing for XP. And then everyone can talk about how Vienna is never going to catch on because there is no reason to switch from vista.
- KingBabi, on 10/12/2007, -2/+9I'm an early Vista adopter and like it a lot. XP was great, but the oft-overlooked 2000 was too. 2000 was the best MS OS since DOS (98 SE was decent). 2000 is ideal for those who don't need flair, don't want a non-Microsoft OS, and own older hardware. (Anything with 512 MB RAM or under I would say should run 2000). It's incredibly stable and supports most mainstream apps.
- flag564, on 10/12/2007, -2/+9So MS supports one of its OSs until 2014 while selling tons of copies (OEM and otherwise) of its newer one.
And that gets spun as "Visa is just not selling"?
Either way, MS is getting paid. - karamba_kid, on 10/12/2007, -0/+7True ballers roll, Windows 95A.
..Oh not me, long live gnu/linux. - autoy, on 10/12/2007, -0/+6Thank god you're called patience.
- Escamillo, on 10/12/2007, -0/+5So Microsoft will end up supporting XP for 13 years (2001-2014).
Meanwhile, the angelic Apple will be ending support of OSX 10.3 this year. Apple only supports the two most recent 0.1 OSX releases at any given time, which winds up being about 2.5 years, given Apple's release rate. So you only get security updates or bug fixes for ~2.5 years. After that, you rae *forced* to shell out dollars to upgrade if you want continued support. Mr. Jobs is a master at milking his users out of every last dime. - ajb2015, on 10/12/2007, -1/+8@gharding
because Windows ME was so stable and user-friendly... - Arkz, on 10/12/2007, -0/+5"Vista is a moot point and an unneccesary upgrade"
i think gamers will disagree, you wont be seeing DX10 in XP - sigmaman2, on 10/12/2007, -1/+6Newer != Better
- inactive, on 10/12/2007, -3/+8Vista isn't ready for general consumption yet. Don't try to get all these uninformed Diggers to switch or start foaming at the mouth for it.
1. Program compatibility is still a big problem.
2. Drivers are either completely missing or poorly coded (ATi, NVidia) for a ton of hardware.
It's just like when XP was new and people wanted to migrate from Windows 98. No drivers, stuff wouldn't run on it, etc. Same ***** different decade. - Technopundit, on 10/12/2007, -0/+5Well, OK. I suppose I might upgrade by 2014 if I really HAD to.
- Reap, on 10/12/2007, -1/+4maybe IT will be worth the money to upgrade
- vegascoop, on 10/12/2007, -1/+5Read the article. Mainstream support (i.e. free/already paid for support) will only last two more years. If you want support past 2009 it will cost you extra.
"The addition of a five-year “extended support” phase to Windows XP will take effect in May 2009. In Microsoft parlance, extended support is the period when all support is fee-based and non-security hotfixes are produced only for corporate customers. Until April of 2009, Windows XP Home and Media Center will remain in what is called “mainstream support,” which offers some no-charge support and free updates that don’t deal with security issues." - Elranzer, on 10/12/2007, -0/+3When exactly will Mac OS reach version 11 (XI)?
Sometimes I think they artificially keep it as OS X(10) because they think the letter X is cool.... - Zippo, on 10/12/2007, -1/+5Jimbo's got a point. I know people that only switched from 98 to XP within the last year. When Vienna comes around, most PC users will likely be using Vista and will be hesitant to switch.
And I somehow doubt MS will get Vienna out the door in the 2009. - karamba_kid, on 10/12/2007, -4/+7GNU/Linux was ready for my desktop Fall 2005.
- rasensio, on 10/12/2007, -2/+4XP is a really cool OS to work with. It is stable and 100% compatible with all windows apps. Now, we have to see if new apps developed for vista runs under xp.
- itsme92, on 10/12/2007, -0/+2No, what about people like my parents, who bought a Dell with XP in November 2001. It was a pretty high-end system then (P4 1.8GHz, 512mb, 80 gig hard drive) but the only version of Vista it'll run is Home Basic, which probebly has *less* features than what is on it now, XP Pro. As far as my parents can see, it does everything they run on it just fine, so there's no need to get a new computer, and they can't upgrade to Vista because their system isn't powerful enough.
- grumpyrain, on 10/12/2007, -0/+2> No, what about people like my parents, who bought a Dell with XP in November 2001 ....
And that would be exactly the advice I would give them. Your PC, while it could probably get Vista up and running, would be less pleasant than XP, not feasible.
But you are talking about a PC that is over 5 years old. XP had only been out for 2 months when they bought that PC. If someone said to you back in November 2001, 'my parents bought a pretty top notch PC back in Nov 1996, it was a P1 with 133MHz and 16 MB RAM, would you even try and install XP on it? Of course not.
I don't know why Jammer is being dugg down, if you go to Dell today and buy any desktop, the cheapest one you can find, it can run Vista with Aero. Of course, I would advise you to bump up the RAM to 1GB - 2GB. I don't think Jammer ever meant that the PC you bought back in 2001 will run Vista well with Aero. Any reasonably well spec'd PC made in the past 12 months will run Vista reasonably well, and a well spec'd PC purchased today will probably run Vista better than XP (especially once a few drivers have been sorted out).
This is of course a separate discussion to whether it is worthwhile upgrading for the new features, which is largely no for me anyway. But the next time I buy a new PC and have to choose between XP and Vista, Vista has a lot of things in its favour. - Elranzer, on 10/12/2007, -0/+2XP has the best balance of features, stability, legacy compatibility and current compatibility of the Microsoft OSs. It's enough to warrant use over 2000, but Vista currently has nothing you really need to warrant an upgrade over XP. Maybe once you can only get drivers, IE version updates and value-added stuff like Defender for *only* Vista will an upgrade to Vista be necesary.
And any of the MS-DOS-based Windows (95/98SE/ME) were not very good no matter what way you look at them. - inactive, on 10/12/2007, -7/+9Why do people assume MS is doing this because they don't think Vista will catch on?
ME support lasted until 2006 - exactly 5 years after XP released.
XP support is set to last until 2014.... exactly 5 years after MS wants to push outs its next OS (Vienna or whatever its called for now). - ZPWeeks, on 10/12/2007, -0/+2@kypen
I think they are hyping Vista because people don't NEED a new OS. A lot of people *rely* on MS Office, can't get on the OSS bandwagon, and so they will naturally upgrade to Office 2K7 eventually.
Not to mention that Microsoft makes more money per copy on Office in the first place. It markets itself. - Kila, on 10/12/2007, -1/+3I'm waiting for the idiot who is still using 98SE and refuses to switch because he doesn't need to and swears 98SE is somehow better.
- jellygraph, on 10/12/2007, -1/+3@ Technopundit
>> So how many times have you installed / reinstalled Linux? Does your PC actually contain any data?
Only once... I'm still running OpenSuse 10.0 (upgraded _without_ reinstallation to 10.1) on my laptop for 2 years now. I've also been running a Debian server for longer than that... 3 years perhaps? None have ever been re-installed... My PC contains too much data... I've had to buy 2 usb harddrives to store it all.
Nice try
@ dougless
>> No offense, but Marketing 101 would suggest that drooling over Beryl will not be a
>> widespread phenomenon... Nearly ANY female name other than Beryl would encourage
>> better adoption of a Linux distro. It's pretty simple psychology, and until open-source
>> understands the basics, it's going to remain side-lined.
And Microsoft has ever been sexy how? Every consumer electronic they touch dies horribly (apart from the XBOX 360)... Zune anyone?
That kinda defeats your argument - jackcall, on 10/12/2007, -1/+3I can't help but think that vista is another ME... trying to do so much but getting stripped of all the original features. I bet vienna will be the new xp... unless you're a gamer of cause.
- MrDarkSim, on 10/12/2007, -1/+3It would be nice for older and current games to work as well.I'll get Vista when there are enough good DX10 only games to warrant a purchase.
- bowels, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1Cool. Hopefully I'll be dead by then so that means lifetime support.
- jellygraph, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1I remember the time I had a Windows Server 2003 box running SQL Server 2005 Beta. And for some reason, when the final SQL Server 2005 got released, I tried to upgrade my server to that, but it refused. And to my shock, when I got Microsoft to look into my problem, their final solution was to re-install Windows Server 2003... from scratch. Arg! Which I then did, and for some unknown reason, this required several tries, because each time it was formatted and re-installed, something weird would ***** up the final install, like the system would be really slow or it would simply just hate my graphics card.
Final solution... reformat drive, install Debian, been running fine ever since.
Never trust a Windows product... and never trust a Windows product that can't be accessed locally or remotely via command line (which is pretty much all of them) - kyleandstan, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1someone asked me the other day when I was going to upgrade from windows xp and I said "I don't know." Now I can say "2014!!"
Of course, I run windows xp in a virtual box inside Ubuntu! - tech42er, on 10/12/2007, -2/+3Vista license < XP license < GPL
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