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- Brandoskey, on 09/10/2009, -47/+411why is this a big deal? what about Apples, "I'm a Mac" ads? basically the same sort of propaganda, just more direct.
people buy computers to do things, not to learn how to get linux to do things!
i mean really, try selling a pc running linux to the average user, they're gonna return it within a week...let's just be honest with ourselves here. - Big1984Brother, on 09/10/2009, -28/+241They also dismiss the claim that "Linux is safer than Windows" as a "myth."
That made me LOL. - AmyVernon, on 09/10/2009, -17/+206I love how Microsoft is all, "Yeah, we're just telling them why Windows is better." lol...
- daveisfera, on 09/10/2009, -19/+197Ya, I don't get why everyone is all up in arms about this. There are far more lies and half truths in the "I'm a Mac" ads than anything in this propaganda from Microsoft, but for some reason Mac gets a free pass.
- Jareth86, on 09/10/2009, -8/+167But macs are for cool hip young people. On a mac, you can do coll hip things like sorting photos and messing around with stacks. On windows, you can only do boring old man *****, like playing Crysis and Half life 2.
- jerryjamesstone, on 09/10/2009, -28/+147What, trashing their own OS wasn't enough?
- gospe1337, on 09/10/2009, -3/+120I once saw a commercial that said my former laundry detergent wouldn't get those stains out.
- jameszhao00, on 09/10/2009, -7/+113Buried. Using quotes on a phrase when the quotee didn't actually say the phrase is blatant sensationalism.
- dweeb79, on 09/10/2009, -14/+120Very Underhanded? This is marketing, you don't lie, but you don't "say" everything. Let the consumer fill in the blanks themselves, they're f*cking retarded anyway. That's why marketing works.
- inactive, on 09/10/2009, -12/+116At least they were honest...
- oldhick, on 09/10/2009, -20/+119So telling customers that Linux doesn't support Photoshop and iTunes is underhanded? It's the truth. Marketing is an important aspect to business.
- EarlOfLade, on 09/10/2009, -2/+96Who takes advice from anyone working for Best Buy anyway?
It's a stadium full of stupid! - inactive, on 09/10/2009, -46/+128Linux, snooze, wake me up when I get a 1:1 clone of Photoshop, Illustrator, Indesign, and After Effects that is open source. Maybe if the Linux community would actually work on polishing up some apps rather than releasing 100 different distros of Linux to confuse the ***** out of the layman they might have a shot at beating Windows.
- Cannonballkid, on 09/10/2009, -11/+89***** Best Buy and especially their "Geek Squad"
- bluehouse, on 09/10/2009, -34/+101What a shocker!!!! Company A says their products are better than Company B's.
Jesus Christ linux fanboys. You're like the Death Panel nuts of the computer world
Oh boy... I can't wait for the responses to this! - boecho, on 09/10/2009, -10/+67I am a former linux dev and current information security officer. There is no OS that is safe. To say such is utter *****. Mac can't get viruses = lie. Linux can't get viruses = lie. More viruses on Windows? Uh, yeah, of course. If I'm writing a virus, it will be targeted to the environments that are installed on the majority of computers. No virus writer will target a platform that has 1% of the market. That's just stupid. However, just because you don't target them, doesn't mean you can't. It's easy on any platform. Just ask the guy who hacked a Mac in under 10 seconds.
- Lightstab, on 09/10/2009, -14/+66Yeah, Microsoft did indeed have a Mac module as well.
http://www.flickr.com/photos/pacman3000/3904063316 ...
So if anyone needed confirmation that Best Buy is indeed the official Microsoft Store, then this is it. - TheWindBlows, on 09/10/2009, -2/+51Microsoft actually made slides against Mac too...
- TheWindBlows, on 09/09/2009, -71/+119This is believable, but very under handed. Very stupid move that completely ruins the launch of Windows 7 to me. Vista refinement and something that brought Windows UI a slightly better game.
I'm a linux user, but seriously its a horrible image tarnisher to play like this. I'm sorry for the people who actually make windows fairly useful to the mass that they have a company that works like this.
Anyways I guess Ballmers leadership shows its head again. - UrineEngineer, on 09/10/2009, -2/+46To be honest, I've never been injured by either operating system...
- Airmaxx23, on 09/10/2009, -16/+58I'm Airmaxx23 and I support this message.
- awitod, on 09/10/2009, -11/+50I'm shocked! A vendor helping a retailer sell their products? I'm sure Microsoft pays Best Buy for this just like every food manufacturer pays the grocery store chains to buy desirable shelf space and end caps..
- bmdubya, on 09/10/2009, -4/+39I work at Best Buy, and these expertzone training modules are not mandatory by anyone. They are completely optional. If Best Buy was a Microsoft only store, why would we carry Macs and PS3s and Wiis? To suggest that Best Buy is a Microsoft only store is bogus. A lot of the computer specialists at my store recommend Macs first when someone is looking at buying a new computer.
- bigteebo, on 09/10/2009, -6/+40Meanwhile Apple's been trashing Windows for years in their commercials. Where's the outrage in that?
- UBDevoid, on 09/10/2009, -0/+34Very true, one of my biggest pet peeves.
If it's not a true and direct quote then do not put it in speech marks. Doing so just invalidates the whole submission. - inactive, on 09/10/2009, -10/+43Yeah shame on attacking your competition, we should just all hold hands and sing kumbaya.
- UrineEngineer, on 09/10/2009, -2/+35As are most stadiums in general.
- Gerz1219, on 09/10/2009, -6/+39The only problem I have here is Microsoft directly providing biased training materials to Best Buy. But the reality is that most customers shopping for a computer, and noticing a Linux PC's lower pricetag, would not fully understand "the catch" (i.e., that many of their familiar applications and services don't work on Linux) unless they were told otherwise by knowledgeable sales staff.
Any honest salesman would have to give them the "Well, it won't run iTunes and Photoshop, but..." speech. Microsoft seems to have left out the "but" part of that sales conversation. Customers have a right to be angry if they buy a Linux PC thinking it'll run everything they're used to, and then they bring it home and it doesn't. If I recall correctly this was a major issue with early netbook sales, which prompted the resurgence of Windows XP. - phpchris, on 09/10/2009, -3/+33I hope you wrote about it on your blog, the world needs to know about this!
- insertAliasHere, on 09/10/2009, -9/+39Only by jumping through the hoops that is WINE. Seriously, just because you and I can do it, doesn't mean the average person can.
- TheWindBlows, on 09/10/2009, -1/+31This is digg? Here all week? More like a lifetime.
- Heiminator, on 09/10/2009, -1/+28if you know how to run itunes and photoshop under linux you probably don't ask questions like that in a best buy store...
- AmyVernon, on 09/10/2009, -3/+30I'm SHOCKED
- LordEpic, on 09/10/2009, -4/+30Anyone consulting a Bestbuy employee about the Difference between Windows an Linux, would not know how to use Linux anyway.
- WhiskeyLemur, on 09/10/2009, -1/+27I was with you until the last sentence. I don't use Linux either, but come on - you use what works for you, I use what works for me, and Linux users use what works for them. Where do suckage and wombats come in?
- nikorf11, on 09/10/2009, -1/+26how 'bout everyone shut up and let me buy what i want.
- lead2thehead, on 09/10/2009, -3/+28LOL! Their number one advantage is that it plays more games.
- HigherLogic, on 09/10/2009, -4/+28Eh, better than those stupid Mac vs PC commercials.
- DBeta, on 09/10/2009, -5/+28Take a stock install of Windows and Ubuntu. Take the stock browser and start surfing. Don't agree to install anything, but start looking up anything considered "underground" and make sure to click on advertisements. See which one is riddled with malware first. That is how I see Linux being safer than Windows. Vista was a big step up for security in Windows, but IE still has remote code execution bugs found monthly. If you patch both Windows and Ubuntu up to the latest versions, and have them both use the same browser(Firefox), chances are you are pretty safe on both OSs. But the vast majority of users still use IE, and a very large portion of those never update their machines.
Ubuntu is safer than Windows. Hands down. Part of it is obscurity, but a bigger part is security by design. - RegalBegal, on 09/10/2009, -9/+32TheWindBlows:
They don't care about you. They care about the billions of Americans who don't want to worry about compatibility, command prompts, and tweaking something just so it works. I agree, Linux is a great tool for those in the know. However, this presentation or not, the average Joe doesn't care about anything, they just want it to work out of the box. Of course you could argue that at times a Windows machine does anything but that as well. Again though, for the average computer user, they don't want to have to worry about compatibility and things like that that go with running Linux. - TheUngod, on 09/10/2009, -4/+26Yeah because Mac doesn't ever have lying ads...
- GOVATENT, on 09/10/2009, -8/+30Well in terms of which has more bugs at any given time widows would win hands down.
- inactive, on 09/10/2009, -15/+36thats why people who practice marketing should be shot. they are a waste of human life and intelligence.
thats why the world is such piss poor shape, we have an entire industry devoted to misleading people. - jerrdalton, on 09/10/2009, -19/+40Really? A company isn't preaching the wonderful attributes of a competitor? I'm just...shocked.
That's like crying, "That mean guy with the boxing gloves is hitting the other guy with boxing gloves!!!". - bpm2000, on 09/10/2009, -5/+26seriously man, what the ***** are all these guys crying about? Its like they totally forget how competition in the businessplace has been working forever when the word microsoft gets injected into the conversation.
- AmyVernon, on 09/10/2009, -4/+25Thank you, thank you, thank you. Jerry will be here all week.
- paradigmx, on 09/10/2009, -6/+27I'm as much a fan of Linux as the next computer geek, but I have to agree with how MS is handling this, it's basic marketing.
Can Linux support Photoshop and Office? Sure, anyone that knows how to install and configure wine will tell you that, so ask the average user how to configure wine, or install it, or even to tell you what it is...
That's the wall that us computer geeks completely forget about, Joe user does not care about his computer, so long as it just works, no configuration, no problem solving, nothing. If Joe user has a problem with his computer, he calls tech support, if they can't help him, it's broken, end of story.
To Joe user, because it won't run Office(yes, Office, not Openoffice) without having to configure something, linux is broken.
It isn't underhanded marketing at all, the whole purpose of marketing is to convince customers that your product is better than the other product. If you put money into marketing, you are not going to want to promote your competitor at all. Every company does it, Mac has their "I'm a Mac, I'm a PC" ads that everyone thinks are so cute, The Linux community calls Microsoft monopolistic.
Look at all Advertising Promotions, this is what it's about, promoting your product, slamming their product. Marketing 101. - oldhick, on 09/10/2009, -4/+24'The only problem I have here is Microsoft directly providing biased training materials to Best Buy.'
So let me get this straight, you think that sales people typically rely on unbiased material? Or do you think that vendors typically provide stores with unbiased material?
What exactly is the "but" part of the sales conversation? The price tag is obviously cheaper, that's the only "but". - TxAggie08, on 09/10/2009, -0/+20Lots of people do.In fact, i would say MOST people that come into Best Buy follow the recommendations of the sales person, as long as they aren't budget busters. It actually kind of amazes me, because I almost always know what I am going to get before I walk in the door. If I do want advice, I usually ask the salesperson a couple of questions I know the answer to first, to see if they know wtf they are talking about. So far I haven't had ANY Best Buy salespeople give me correct answers. Last time I went in they tried to sell me a $200 HDMI cable (i know the cheapest are online but i didn't want to wait to use my new blu-ray). I told the salesperson it was digital and would make no difference for my application. He then tried to tell me there was a cheaper one and showed me one that was around $100. He started to tell me again that it would offer pretty good picture quality but not the best. I looked at him again and said "You have to be kidding me, right?" He finally took me over to a corner where they had $20 cables.
- UrineEngineer, on 09/10/2009, -4/+23Well... Can you think of a better reason to get Windows?
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