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- jesuscakes, on 06/24/2008, -6/+165They are scared. I am glad it's about time the little guys fought back.
- MarkusX, on 06/24/2008, -0/+115Microsoft is looking at Open Source as if it was a Distributed-Denial-of-Microsoft-Services attack.
And naturally this is harder to combat than just one big opponent. - BigManOnCampus, on 06/24/2008, -10/+109Wrong Microsoft.
Google is your bigger threat, but you already missed that boat. It would cost quite a bit to catch up with them in terms of usable webapps.
Open source is just the hammer that will take away your OS supremacy. You're already stuck in a hard place by not anticipating the effect of the web.
Survival for Microsoft means moving on to other technologies. The world of domination through OS is nearly over. - Berkana, on 06/24/2008, -2/+89What good programmer gives a damn about shareholders? Software should meet the needs of the user, not the demands of shareholders trying to milk me of my money. If open source software proves that programmers are willing to do that and give it away, more power to open source software.
Intentionally free software that meets my needs > expensive software that restricts my abilities. - jmkiii, on 06/24/2008, -1/+88= Microsoft is threatened by good will.
- cubicledrone, on 06/24/2008, -6/+54Hi.
1998 called, they want their FUD back. - hollyminkowski, on 06/25/2008, -3/+51Duh, people giving away products that are better than the ones you sell has got to be a threat.
- Renian, on 06/25/2008, -0/+39Mostly true. It's not the fact that open source is "just the hammer"--it's the fact that Google is actively funding that hammer, along with the webapps, as you stated.
- IphtashuFitz, on 06/24/2008, -2/+38Google is a major user of, and contributor to, open source. Ray Ozzie, and Microsoft's big mistake is not recognizing that fact. Google wouldn't be where it is without the availability of open source, and the OSS community has a lot to thank for Google and projects like their Summer of Code. The two go hand in hand quite a bit.
- raysaagar, on 06/24/2008, -6/+36it doesn't matter, either way google PLUS open-source means microsoft will be dead unless it changes
- WomensUnderwear, on 06/25/2008, -3/+29MICROSOFT: Ballmer is a Bigger Threat than Google
- d0brii, on 06/25/2008, -2/+27Lem me see, OSS is dangerous because......it is not managed by group of people who really have no clue what a heck those programmers do anyways,... that is a dangerous thing, they actually just might build something that works.
Microsoft gonna be SCO 2.0 - inactive, on 06/24/2008, -2/+27I propose legislation against this Open Source shenanigantry. I believe it's unconstitutional.
- Pinkertinkle, on 06/25/2008, -2/+25The fact that in the year 2052 people will still refuse to upgrade from XP to Windows 52 is also a threat.
- inactive, on 06/25/2008, -2/+23First they ignore you, then they laugh at you, then they fight you, then you win. - Mahatma Gandhi.
Very strong quote and very true. - hollyminkowski, on 06/25/2008, -2/+23I once saw a dog eating poop...and he liked it too.
- Nossie, on 06/25/2008, -0/+21how so? dont like the way a project is going? fork it and do it your way.
- inactive, on 06/25/2008, -1/+18The more surprising thing is the remark that "open source developers are not restricted by the best interests of shareholders and potentially are, therefore, a stronger market force." Seems like it's the first time I've heard a corporation admit that the best interests of the shareholders might be opposed to the best interest of the customers.
- newstart, on 06/25/2008, -10/+27I disagree with all of you. I think open source will become a iron dildo that lesbians around the world will use to pleasure themselves and others
- wolferz, on 06/25/2008, -5/+22they've been fighting back... it's just taken MS 10 years to notice.
now it's ms' turn to fight back... - rolosworld, on 06/25/2008, -3/+19quote:
"Competing with open source made Microsoft a much stronger company.”
...stronger as in throwing lots of chairs strong? - porl, on 06/25/2008, -2/+18not quite. they noticed a long time ago (halloween docs etc) and have been trying to fight it the whole time. it has taken them about 10 years to *admit* they are scared. that is a huge difference.
- randomstupid, on 06/25/2008, -1/+17the biggest threat to Microsoft is Microsoft
- DangerCollie, on 06/25/2008, -1/+17"He says open source developers are not restricted by the best interests of shareholders and potentially are, therefore, a stronger market force."
Holy obvious insight, Batman! - Fritzel, on 06/25/2008, -0/+15It would be an interesting experiment if Google Docs grows up to be bigger than MS office, and then decides for whatever reason not to be Windows compatible, I'd be really curious to see how that would progress.
Granted that'd never happen due to philosophy, but it would still be an interesting experiment. Especially considering that seems to be Windows stance with DirectX and graphically intense games that tend to dominate the PC market
For example, Wine starts to get caught up, come out with DirectX 10 - netneutrality, on 06/24/2008, -4/+18It took Microsoft this long to realize it?
- inactive, on 06/25/2008, -0/+13Open source will soon become more than a hammer, but more of a massive anvil Microsoft won't be able to move away.
- inactive, on 06/25/2008, -5/+18Google was never a threat. Google operates in a market that Microsoft wasn't even aware of at the time. It's just Microsoft's traditional "we need to monopolize every possible market" mindset that makes Google a threat. Open source actually threatens their core business.
- WCL23, on 06/24/2008, -3/+16Please see this for what it is. Microsoft are making a disparaging remark about Google. No more, no less.
- Peko, on 06/25/2008, -0/+12Sir, I disagree.
IIRC, the largest and most consistent cash cow for Microsoft is Microsoft Office. Office has huge marketshare with corporations and they consistently pay out the $800 (or whatever it is) every two years per desktop.
Google is a huge threat because of Google's office suite thingy. It's way cheaper. It's not as comprehensive as Office but it does what 75%+ of office workers need. (Mind you I'm pulling the 75% outta my ass). I've seen studies where major corporations have begun test groups in earnest using Google's office suite.
If Google continues to improve their product and also is able to explore unusual GoogleWebCool advantages leveraging the web platform and seemingly more productive and innovative development Microsoft is facing a substantial threat from Google.
Now an addendum. What about OpenOffice? It threatens them both. - mithrasinvictus, on 06/25/2008, -0/+12If it were up to microsoft, there would be no innovation at all. Innovation is change which is dangerous.
Just look at what they did with internet explorer once they thought they had the market cornered. Nothing. - Technohamster, on 06/25/2008, -0/+12Oh yeah. Google developers got photoshop CS2 to run perfectly in wine, and all those Summer of Code guys do cool stuff. I love google. T___T
- beddoes, on 06/25/2008, -1/+13As an open source developer I think that Microsoft admitting that OSS is a threat is a good thing for all. It will hopefully drive them to actually implement and adhere to industry defined standards making interoperability for clients deciding to pursue a best of breed approach for each facet of their software stack a lot cleaner.
- mrsteveman1, on 06/25/2008, -0/+11DDoMS, i like it :D
- Philluminati, on 06/25/2008, -0/+10No. (And I am a professional software engineer)
Here are some reasons why I am not scared of open source. companies need software, be it open source or not. They often need customised features that allow them to get a head in business.
They could pay someone like me to modify a tool like Open Office Org to their standard or to restrict their employees to the companies set standard.
Companies need their own software that automates as much of their specific procedures and processes as possible, improving the quality of work and life for all their employees.
A lot of big companies need their own customised web site - open source does little to affect web developers except to provide them with a free platform and toolkit for writing the aforementioned websites.
Software does well as a service - that is, to pay for it's support and continued development rather than costs up front. I feel I can demand £40,000 for a job while the code is open source. I do not need to "hold my company prisoner" until they pay for my work, like H.R, programmers are needed to ensure the business runs smoothly and yet H.R. don't need to hold documents or code ransom. They are paid to do a job, not to produce a product and that's why open source is not a threat to me.
I also admire the quality, the ethos and the fact I get to run a really good operating system at home, for free, as a nice bi-product of the open source movement. - qbthemc, on 06/24/2008, -3/+13His mom.
- alexforcefive, on 06/25/2008, -2/+12Real gamers use openGL! >.>
- racco, on 06/25/2008, -3/+13Such a horrible situation! this could possible lead to the destruction of our very existence!
Why aren't there laws protecting Microsoft from this terrible threat!!!???
Won't somebody think of the children!!!!! - AKremlin, on 06/25/2008, -0/+10How does "giving to the community" not equate to good will?
- MikeSetera, on 06/24/2008, -2/+11caps lock: cruise control for awesome.
- d0brii, on 06/25/2008, -3/+12Do not understand how $250 mil of the market cap will make me or anyone else use their OS?
Company that sell nothing and just spending money is called charity, Bill and his Wife already working on it. - MCA2142, on 06/24/2008, -12/+21coming from Microsoft?
Oxymoron? - inactive, on 06/24/2008, -16/+25Suck it, Microsoft.
- regeya, on 06/25/2008, -0/+9You just hit the nail on the head, as far as corporations are concerned: Braying jackasses whose only qualifications are often that they have money, and whose only concern is that they make money, at all times, no matter what the cost in the long term.
Public companies represent a lot of what's wrong with modern business. - defektiv, on 06/25/2008, -0/+9Huh.. And here I was under the impression open source was a threat because the coders are writing something they want to actually end up using rather than something that passes through the approval of a ton of people who haven't even got a clue, so as to reap a greater profit sooner for their investors/masters.
- skyshock1, on 06/25/2008, -0/+9You win the thread.
- inactive, on 06/25/2008, -0/+8shareholders stifle innovation? NEVER!
- tama00, on 06/24/2008, -13/+21Microsoft shouldn't think of google, open source and apple as threats. Thats where Microsoft's ideas come from!
Without these companies Microsoft will not be able to "borrow" new innovation and thus be stick with the same technologies forever!
So Microsoft should call these companies 'a jab in the ass'. - arcticblue, on 06/25/2008, -1/+9Google contributed TONS to the Wine project which I'd say is quite the opposite of "***** all". Wine was pretty stagnant until Google came along and submitted patches.
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