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- frakir, on 10/12/2007, -19/+108no Linux no digg.
cross-platform my ass... - dogstar0125, on 10/12/2007, -9/+67Here's a technology that nobody wants. Yet another browser plug-in. I'd rather see W3C develop some open standards for delivering multimedia content and have the Flash plug-in and Microsoft's vaporware competitor become obsolete.
- FreakyT, on 10/12/2007, -7/+60Because, as we all know, Flash isn't proprietary.
- natmaster, on 10/12/2007, -15/+60I don't see anything about linux support, so this sounds worthless to me!
- Aleks, on 10/12/2007, -12/+57No doubt on what Microsoft means Cross-Platform is Vista/XP/Windows2000/98
- Ecaftar, on 10/12/2007, -20/+58after a fast reading my conclusion is: flash-ripoff. correct me if I'm wrong ;)
- ihaveplans, on 10/12/2007, -4/+37Not to mention Microsoft working on improving still crappy CSS and DOM support in IE7.
- starsky51, on 10/12/2007, -6/+39@eleventybillion
"Read the article. It supports Linux/Apache Server...."
Apache is a web server. It will serve any type of object you tell it to. However, this plugin cannot be used in any web browser running under linux.
The "Linux/Apache Server" line was a cheap and nasty attempt at a con job. - wellyuk, on 10/12/2007, -9/+39Microsoft's proprietary take on AJAX? Wasn't in Microsoft who developed XMLHttpRequest? Yes it was.
- robdazomba, on 10/12/2007, -6/+35Let's be real. Flash may be proprietary but is controlled by a company whose best interests are served when they get their software on as many browsers and platforms as possible. They stand to gain nothing by limiting it. With MS, their interests are narrow and being cross-platform and browser-neutral is not generally beneficial to their business interests.
So, I can deal with Adobe controlling Flash because Adobe has no vested interest in one platform or browser over another. MS, no so much. They have a history to prove it too. - xekko, on 10/12/2007, -5/+34Check the official site: http://www.microsoft.com/silverlight/
"Silverlight is a cross-browser, cross-platform plug-in for delivering the next generation of media experiences and rich interactive applications (RIAs) for the Web."
Note the *cross-platform* bit, which strikes at the heart of Flash's unique selling point. I'm still very skeptical this will topple Flash any time soon, tho. - latova, on 10/12/2007, -6/+34It says that you can post it on linux servers, but users running it from a linux desktop will be left in the dark. So sorry, it isn't linux support.
Microsoft will only make it cross platform if it benefits them, not the users. They want to increase its adoption to beat out flash, thats all. Once they beat out flash, they'll remove its cross platform capability.
So, no thanks. - xekko, on 10/12/2007, -3/+28Even less than that... only Windows Vista, XP SP2 and Mac OS X judging by http://www.microsoft.com/silverlight/downloads.aspx
- brockpetrie, on 10/12/2007, -3/+24"Can you build a Flash movie with simple XML?"
Yes, you can. I've built entire galleries - storefronts even - without so much as looking at the Flash interface.
"No...you have to go into the Flash designer and build it with the designer."
No, you don't. OpenLaszlo, PHP, Flex- the list is huge. Although SWF is proprietary, the format specs are fully available, thus allowing people to create applications that utilize the Flash player. 90%+ ubiquity? You can't even touch that.
"Can you control elements of a Flash movie with javascript?"
Yes, you can.
"No, you can only expose static functions or variables from Flash."
Wrong again. A simple Google search will turn up a Flash/Javascript framework that allows direct communication from Javascript to Flash and vise versa.
"Do you really know what you're talking about? No."
And it's pretty damn obvious you don't either. What year are you living in?- This isn't Flash 5 anymore champ... And don't get the impression that I think Silverlight is worthless- I welcome it (and any competition for Adobe) with open arms. Just be fair about your comparisons here.
The only selling point with Silverlight is HD content, which I'm sure is right around the corner in Flash. - fenixconnektion, on 10/12/2007, -14/+35flash-ripoff or not...
streaming HD content? sign me up. - TGMD, on 10/12/2007, -5/+25more competition the better!
hopefully this will push adobe to really innovate further with flash. - robdazomba, on 10/12/2007, -5/+23> Wasn't in Microsoft who developed XMLHttpRequest
Yes, they did, and IIRC, they developed it as a proprietary thing for IE 5.0. It never really started to take off until the WC3 took the idea and published specs for it and it started to be impletemented elsewhere in other forms.
So, yeah, MS did develop XMLHTTP, but they did it for their own platform and didn't think of it in terms of an open standard. Therefore, citing the fact that they developed it doesn't really boost my confidence in their motives at all. MS is all about consumer lock-in. If you think otherwise, please review their history and their occasionall leaked internal emails. That's their standard game plan and it makes me suspcious of most of the things they release. - jeffgtr, on 10/12/2007, -9/+25As if Microsoft hasn't caused web designers and developers enough headaches with IE along comes another headache in silverlight. I wish they would spend their time putting out a decent OS instead of mucking up the web with more problems.
- noahhoward, on 10/12/2007, -5/+21Apparently they don't otherwise we'd have a standards compliant browser by now.
- makis, on 10/12/2007, -9/+24@intellimouse
can you control flash from javascript?
yes you can
Can you build a Flash movie with simple XML?
yes! it's called MXML
this is not a flash ripoff, but i'm not sure you can tell others that they don't know
what they are talking about - McTendo, on 10/12/2007, -5/+20No ME support? Wake me up when the future gets here.
- atmodiws, on 10/12/2007, -1/+13Does Cross-Platform in this case mean that *bsd and all the linux distros get their share?
- DigitalDud, on 10/12/2007, -1/+13They're going to expect the community to build a plugin in Linux.
- WiseWeasel, on 10/12/2007, -4/+16It's a trap! I think web developers have learned their lesson on depending on MS technologies for their web apps. It's clear that MS is not interested in real cross-platform support, and will always have some ports lagging behind their others. Say what you will about Adobe, but at least their cross-platform support is actually credible. I wouldn't touch this product with a 10-foot pole... Wake me when they open their source code under a BSD or GPL license... I'm sure this is just a ploy to get web developers to depend on Windows servers...
- TehDoctor, on 10/12/2007, -2/+13Wow, intellimouse, two [edit: damn, 3! you're quick] bigoted, asinine, and uninformed comments on one article. Welcome to my block list.
I could try to explain to how how many servers run Linux and how it's getting an inroads in may large corporations and now the home desktop, but I'm sure my words wouldn't be high enough on the Rockwell Scale to get through your skull. - MioTheGreat, on 10/12/2007, -1/+12Just OSX right now, it looks like.
- halofourteen, on 10/12/2007, -5/+16@ intellimouse-
I logged in just to digg you down. Ignorant prick. - zetsurin, on 10/12/2007, -8/+18That plug-in aint coming anywhere near my pc.
- DigitalDud, on 10/12/2007, -0/+10Vista has WPF built-in but not this, which is still unreleased anyway.
- Kr4t05, on 10/12/2007, -5/+14@ intellimouse
Take a quick look at Google and you'll see numbers far more substantial than the 3 users you claim to. Also, if you claim that no one cares about Linux on the desktop, then ask Michael Dell what he's thinking. Thirdly, if Linux users "don't pay for ***** anyway" then how do companies like TransGaming, Red Hat and Canonical make so much money. Read, think, then type. - Escamillo, on 10/12/2007, -0/+8"Note the *cross-platform* bit, which strikes at the heart of Flash's unique selling point. I'm still very skeptical this will topple Flash any time soon, tho."
I agree. It won't topple Flash due to Flash's inertia (though Flash did topple Java applets, but that was due to Sun's mishandling of it). But even if it doesn't topple Flash, it's good to have competition in this space as Adobe and Microsoft will work to outdo each other for the next few years. - SomaSynth, on 10/12/2007, -5/+13SVG?
- mrgreen371, on 10/12/2007, -1/+9Just what we need – more opportunities for security holes. I don't trust it. They have proven themselves time and time again to be horrible when it comes to security. Instead of having to run 10 different spyware removal apps I'll just avoid this product like I avoid activeX, Outlook, and IE.
- Phocion55, on 10/12/2007, -2/+10@intellimouse: You keep talking. I keep burying.
@pcgeek101: You're right. .NET is good - I like developing on it. It's not an issue with .NET, though. It's about the lock-in associated with the product and the lame attempts to claim it as being "cross-platform".
I'm gonna stick with the current technologies that allow me to reach ANYONE and EVERYONE. - MioTheGreat, on 10/12/2007, -2/+10That's just stupid.
Abanonding IE6 for IE7 was a great move. Updating IE6 would have caused more headaches. You'd no longer have the simple distinction between 'People using IE6', and 'People using IE7'. You'd now have 'People using IE6', 'People using the Standards enhanced version of IE6', and 'People using IE7'.
The fact that IE7 is an automatic update makes it just fine for them to drop 6. - Mootabolife, on 10/12/2007, -6/+13Where's the top 10 list against?
- Phocion55, on 10/12/2007, -0/+7@intellimouse:
Ah that's pretty cool. All I need is a text editor? I guess that means I can go develop and test one on my Linux box, then. - kris33, on 10/12/2007, -1/+8They will force it on your pc via a "Critical System Update"
- Phocion55, on 10/12/2007, -1/+8Yea, but GTK wasn't designed on the basis of purposely excluding certain people.
- MioTheGreat, on 10/12/2007, -3/+9The difference is that this is a browser version of the same presentation technology, WPF, that is being pushed with Vista. This should allow for pretty awesome stuff, and if WPF takes off (It should. Under Vista, you can create some incredible stuff with WPF that simply isn't possible with the old Windows Forms junk), it can probably help to drive this, since much of the coding is similar.
- Phocion55, on 10/12/2007, -1/+7@digitaldud:
Microsoft, however, automatically counts the PC's that get automatically wiped and loaded with Linux the second it comes out of the box. Makes no difference to them. Guess there really is no way of telling.
I've got three of those in my house right now. - ArielMT, on 10/12/2007, -10/+16"Cross-platform" means Windows XP/Vista and Mac OS X only.
- kris33, on 10/12/2007, -0/+6You guessed it.. Windows...
- robdazomba, on 10/12/2007, -2/+8> It's a trap! I think web developers have learned their lesson on depending
> on MS technologies for their web apps.
Sadly, the management and executives who oversee the web devs have no clue. Many sites will probably jump right on board regardless of how the developers feel about it. I've seen it happen many times for myself. - punkrock4life, on 10/12/2007, -2/+8this is not cross-platform or even cross browser. please mark as inaccurate.
- Phocion55, on 10/12/2007, -4/+9@FreakyT: Where did I ever say Flash wasn't proprietary? They do a good job at supporting Linux.
robdazomba drove my point home. This is just another lame ass way for Microsoft to attempt to screw over certain people by developing things that already exist. - Phocion55, on 10/12/2007, -0/+5By using the word "crying", you're implying that Linux users actually *want* to use Silverlight.
In which case......you'd be wrong. - 83457, on 10/12/2007, -0/+5Exactly what I was thinking. Obviously they just don't care about fixing IE
- Mar1in, on 10/12/2007, -1/+6This might be the kicker that gets Adobe to refine Flash for RIA (Rich Internet Apps). I've been developing RIA interfaces in Flash and can say that as it stands right now, you can do it, including building datbase-aware apps, but the Adobe/MacroMedia components are buggy and suprisingly difficult to customize. That said, it IS amazing the type of interfaces that you can develop using Flash. I've implemented slider bars that animate graphs of data coming from the database. If you can imagine it, you can do it so long as it's 2-D and can fit on a screen.
Here are the top ten reasons why it will be difficult for Microsoft to take over in this market:
1. There are a lot of folks already developing Flash RIA.
2. Flash players are installed on 95% of the computers using the net today.
3. Although technically proprietary, there is a lot of activity in Open Software addressing Flash--Check out OSFlash.org and check out how you can get started developing Flash RIA without having to own any Adobe products. In particular, check out MTASC and its successor haXe, which can output not only Flash .swf's, but also AJAX javascript.
4. The latest versions of ActionScript are starting to take on a lot of the good characteristics of Java including the ability to build object classes.
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10. Profit!
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