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- n0c0ntr0l, on 12/19/2007, -5/+460I use firefox, I dug it up. I'm for competition not for fanboys.
- Rowanw, on 12/19/2007, -10/+318This is astonishing and unbelievable.
- Woody, on 12/19/2007, -9/+203This is a big deal.
- canthraxp, on 12/19/2007, -6/+194Two words come into my mind with the title, "***** FINALLY".
I may be a firefox lover, but if there's only one thing that is needed today in web developing, is standards. Congratulations IE-team, about time, if you could have done this before, you would have saved me some hair from my head. - Blazeix, on 12/19/2007, -18/+205This is great news, but I'm worried by the qualifier on the announcement:
-- IE8 now renders the “Acid2 Face” correctly in IE8 standards mode. --
What is "Standards Mode"? Will it be enabled by default, or will the user have to enable it manually? It doesn't seem to say in the announcement - UrlorJkron, on 12/19/2007, -4/+170Duke nukem forever and now this. Something just isn't right about today.
- o0adam0o, on 12/19/2007, -1/+161Front page it is. ;)
- inactive, on 12/19/2007, -134/+274Unfortunately this story won't front page and even if it does we'll have all the FF kiddies making their immature comments about how bad IE will still be, etc.
At any rate, way to go IE Dev Team. Glad to see IE finally pass. - gweedo767, on 12/19/2007, -13/+136if( ACID2 == TRUE)
useFakeSmileyRender();
else
useNormalCrappyCSSParser() - TomP, on 12/19/2007, -17/+121Quick! Make Acid 3 test so we can say how Firefox 3.0 passes Acid 3 test and IE8 doesn't
- inactive, on 08/11/2008, -36/+138I think being a fan boy of a web browser is ridiculous, but come on, internet explorer IS bad.
- bwhite, on 12/19/2007, -2/+98This is great news ... now if they can just get the IE 6 and 7 people to upgrade to it.
- W3bbo, on 12/19/2007, -2/+92And the IEBlog entry is available here: http://blogs.msdn.com/ie/archive/2007/12/19/intern ...
- serpicolugnut, on 12/19/2007, -0/+62For the person that asked... IE "Standards" mode is invoked by declaring a DOC type. It puts the onus on the web site coder to state whether their web pages will invoke IE standards mode (by delcaring the appropriate doctype), or quirks mode (by not stating a doctype).
I was kind of laughing when I read this, because when IE7 launched last year, the Dean, the IE head honcho, was out there downplaying the signifigance of the ACID2 test, and the fact that IE7 wouldn't pass it. I love how they now admit it's a big deal, when they have the code to pass it now. But I digress...
This is really great news. The sooner IE8 gets in to the hands of end users, the better. My final wish is that IE8 will work with WinXP. If it's Vista only, all of my enthusiasm is deflated. I want IE8 to be available to all modern Windows users. Scratch that, I want IE8 to be forced on all WindowsXP users and higher. Stick it in XP SP3 and make it a mandatory part of the service pack. Ditto for Vista SP1.
The sooner web developers can't bypass developing/checking in IE6/7, the better all our lives will be. - ngmcs8203, on 12/19/2007, -3/+63Longtime firefox user here, and wouldn't think the rest of the "Fanboys" would be opposed to IE catching up to the rest of the world. I think everyone's problem is that MS ignored standards over other features for such a long time.
- frodeaa, on 12/19/2007, -0/+58Using Doctype the web designer can decide whether the page should render in Standards mode or not.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Quirks_mode - mvent2, on 12/19/2007, -7/+60No, ***** them! Standards are much more important than worrying about pages designed by hacks. Maybe those people will finally learn the importance of web standards.
- hipnerd, on 12/19/2007, -3/+56I''m sure there are some FireFox fans that would make immature comments, but as of right now, none of them have posted here. So the only one taking cheap digs and turning it into a browser war is...you.
I love my FireFox, but I also design pages for a living and I'd love for IE to be more standards compliant. This is good news for anyone who makes a living designing Web pages. - Berkana, on 12/19/2007, -6/+56FINALLY! I can't wait to not have to support old versions of IE.
I now officially hate Microsoft a little less. - blowdart, on 12/19/2007, -0/+44Not exactly. If you have the correct doc type for your page then standards mode will kick in (adhering to the applicable standard for your doc type). It's been like this for a while; for example if you change the page doctype between HTML4 and XHTML1.0 you will see box model and border changes.
Now doctypes aren't exactly optional these days; they're needed to pass W3C validation on a page, and pretty much every tool does this for you. So yes, it might be considered an opt-in; but really these days you'd need to delete the doctype and opt-out. - dungbeetle, on 12/19/2007, -11/+55First a Duke Nukem Forever trailer and now IE is standards complient? I do believe we are reaching the end of days.
- OutrightLie, on 12/20/2007, -5/+45Firefox 2 doesn't pass Acid 2...
- smrekar, on 12/19/2007, -3/+40in other news:
Hell froze over
Pigs can now fly
and Apple is giving away computers.
This is the weekend update and I am Norm McDonald - Kragnerac, on 12/19/2007, -2/+39Does this mean that IE will no longer be a web developer's worst nightmare? Hoorah!
- CLShortFuse, on 12/19/2007, -17/+49Fanboys take your pick from the following comments:
* Big deal. It's in beta. It'll be 2010 when it comes out and by then there'll be Acid3
* So? Safari/Opera has done this for years
* Yeah, and I bet it probably does it through IE hacks
* Now we'll have Acid2 compliant IE toolbars
* Firefox 3 Beta 1 does this. - tnoy, on 12/19/2007, -1/+32Wow, a story about Microsoft and Internet Explorrer and most all of the comments in here are positive? I Never thought I'd see that!
- crpietschmann, on 12/19/2007, -3/+34Was CSS even around for the first couple versions of IE? um... no.
- paulbjensen, on 12/19/2007, -1/+32I've been a big critic of IE for all their bugs and flaws, but I'm glad they've done this now. Thanks guys!
- xellxero, on 12/19/2007, -13/+44My world made sense 5 minutes ago.
- drjekelmrhyde, on 12/19/2007, -0/+30Wasn't this one of the things Opera was complaining about to the EU
- Shananra, on 12/19/2007, -1/+30I'm a Firefox user, and honestly, I think this is great news. This will really help me out, in fact, as the more compliant IE gets, the less work it will require to get things working across the board.
- willfe, on 12/19/2007, -2/+30On the contrary, I'm glad it'll be easier to develop for IE when IE8 ships -- the fewer stupid little "quirks" I have to deal with in every browser, the better.
- theodenking, on 12/19/2007, -0/+27I'm a big Firefox fan but more than that I'm a web designer who has been frustrated with IE for years. The thought of every major browser being standards compliant is enough to make me wet the bed.
- Blazeix, on 12/19/2007, -5/+31After some more research, I found this:
http://blogs.zdnet.com/microsoft/?p=416
Looks like it will be up to the web page designers to 'opt in' for IE8 standards mode. - thomtomw, on 12/19/2007, -4/+29why are you people digging him down? he's clearly right.
- kronix2, on 12/19/2007, -5/+30Firefox is the reason why IE7 and IE8 exist. Without competition, Microsoft would just sit on their arses.
Just as they did with IE6. It took them over 5 years to release IE7, and they only did because of Firefox. - BlueSkyfish, on 12/19/2007, -7/+31The whole competition thing doesn't apply for page rendering. We need standards.
- mithrasinvictus, on 12/19/2007, -2/+26if(location.href='http://www.webstandards.org/files/acid2/test.html' )location.href= 'http://www.microsoft.com/acid2.gif';
fixed! - Tippis, on 12/19/2007, -0/+21Exactly. The better IE is at following standards, the better Fx and Opera will become, simply because more sites will use standards-compliant code.
- sirhomer, on 12/19/2007, -11/+32Silverlight is just a way to fight ***** (Flash) with more *****. The web will just be covered in *****. Oh please, please, let both Flash and Silverlight die. If they want to come up with some kind of Rich Internet ***** they should talk to the W3C first and get a formal ratified standard and not develop a properitary browser plugin. I want a web that I can visit on any W3C based web browser and it'll just work, all the features will just work. I want the ability to write a website and know it will work on all browsers.
- radish, on 12/19/2007, -2/+22Uhmm... lame comment.
IE 4, at the time, was the most compliant browser. Netscape had a lot of work to do to catch up. (And again, I'm talking about compliance.) It atrophied for way too many years, yes, but saying it only took "8 versions to get it right" is unfair. - HigherLogic, on 12/19/2007, -1/+20Firefox didn't pass the test until Fx3 though? But yes, good to see both browsers passing the Acid2.
- oneoverzero, on 12/20/2007, -0/+18it became a fork of FF
- GliTCH82, on 12/20/2007, -4/+20My Firefox 3.0 b2 doesn't pass Acid 2.
- ut2k4king, on 12/19/2007, -9/+25It's good to see that IE8 passes the ACID2 test, but is it really completely standards compliant yet? And, as others have pointed out, what will happen to all the pages designed to run in IE before, will they design a system in the program that lets it render the "broken" code correctly? It's great, from a design perspective, that Microsoft finally ironed out this particular bug, but there are plenty more, and alot more than will spring up, after this.
- sirhomer, on 12/19/2007, -1/+17It's good for the web, because if IE8 will truely have CSS2 support we will stop having to write hacked CSS just to get websites to look half decent on IE or force to stick with CSS1. This is a very good thing for web developers.
- weeeezzll, on 12/19/2007, -2/+17I don't want to be a beat up a good thing, but, it's about ***** time!
Web developers around the world just let out the largest sigh in all human history. - SocialPoison, on 12/19/2007, -0/+15The web developer's worst nightmare is, and always will be, clients who demand use of the marquee tag.
- spiderworm, on 12/19/2007, -7/+22I would put money on your being right.
- shark72, on 12/19/2007, -1/+15Yes: IE8 will have both a "standards" mode and a "compatibility" mode.
Not sure where you're coming from with your "is it really standards compliant yet". ACID2 is pretty much the holy grail; it was designed such that in order to pass, you have to render elements 100% correctly. -
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