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- thegreatanti, on 12/06/2007, -21/+215IE8: another milestone in disappointment.
- ani625, on 12/06/2007, -14/+171IE Desktop Online Web Browser Live Professional Ultimate Edition for the Internet. And its not even funny.
- chorny, on 12/06/2007, -17/+152IE8: another bugged version to support.
We will need to write 4 version of sites: IE6, IE7, IE8 and good browsers. - shiftt, on 12/06/2007, -11/+111Developers, Developers, Developers, Developers, Developers, Prepare to Relearn CSS Hacks All Over Again with IE 8!
- PistolSO, on 12/06/2007, -11/+100IE8...just another version that doesn't support web standards=FAIL
- fredclown, on 12/06/2007, -5/+83IE: Ate (my web page)
- ucg1, on 12/06/2007, -5/+62Stop increasing the version number and just fix the current version. Because you know the poor web developers have to support IE5, IE6, IE7, and when it comes out IE8. Just make IE7 properly support the standards and be done with it.
- bfaulk04, on 12/06/2007, -5/+56Comply with web standards or GTFO!
- chris9902, on 12/06/2007, -2/+50That name rules. It just rolls off the tongue.
- SleepingOrange, on 12/06/2007, -14/+57Dear Microsoft:
Thank you for ruining my life with your non-standard's compliant browsers. Now that you've released your Piece of crap IE8, I can happily spend even more time trying to make all my lovely websites work in every Damn version of your browser. You have singlehandedly turned something fun (code website, load website in browser and watch it work perfectly (ahem, firefox, Opera, Safari)) into loading up website in IE, crying, sobbing, bashing head on desk, contemplating suicide, and spending hours creating work-arounds that work in IE.
I hate you microsoft. I hate you for ruining my job.
Your friendly neighbourhood web designer - marchaos, on 12/06/2007, -5/+44...“Does it have feature X?” “When is the beta?” “When does it release” and even the more thoughtful “What are you trying to accomplish with this release?”
I think these are all euphemisms for questions that normal/disgruntled web developers would ask. - SleepingOrange, on 12/06/2007, -5/+37Oh for the love of all that is good in this world... why the hell doesn't IE just go away? Now I'm probably going to have to go and revamp all my sites so they work in god damn IE8. I hate you microsoft. Please kill yourself.
- MadOgre, on 12/06/2007, -9/+38Well, I hope it works out as well for them as Vista has. Good luck with that.
- inactive, on 12/06/2007, -8/+30You must be stuck back in the days of tables and html 4.01 transitional. Try xhtml and css and see how much fun you have.
- CountryBoyRI, on 12/06/2007, -4/+26First off, I'm prepared to be dugg down. Second, yeah, that was a LAME way to introduce IE8 to the world. Third, I develop Web apps for a living, and I'd really much rather get standards-compliant CSS and XHTML to work properly, but spend an awful lot of time getting it to do what I want in IE. So with all of that out of the way...
For crying out loud, people, the product hasn't even been developed yet, you don't know what the feature list is, and you're all bashing it like it's already been released. You haven't seen ANYTHING because this is the first official word from ANYONE at Microsoft about it.
But, as is typical, everyone will crawl out of the woodworks and bash Microsoft and all their products because it's cool and trendy to bash the big, evil corporate monopoly and it will win you friends and help you influence people. Doing so isn't done because you're thinking reasonably or logically, it's because you're being emotional, and letting your feelings get in the way.
Here's what's going to eventually happen: Microsoft will develop a product. It will either be standards compliant or it won't. It will either deliver the features that customers have asked for or it won't. But the truth is, you don't know anything yet about what's going to be in that product, because at this stage it's just a rumor outside the Redmond campus.
And for what it's worth, there's a big change going on in the corporate culture at Microsoft. Gates is gone. Ballmer is still there, sure, but Gates isn't running the show anymore. No one seems to grasp what a fundamental shift in thinking that represents. Gates is just a guest speaker, a consultant, but he isn't making the command decisions anymore. .NET has gone multiplatform; Silverlight *is* a decent product in its infancy, and the Framework's code is going open source. Microsoft promotes an open source movement for .NET projects. Things are stirring, but no one who thinks it's trendy wants to hear about it, because it challenges the idea that they can continue to bash Microsoft based on the idea that "they're evil and they will never change."
Guess what, folks? They're changing. Slowly, but surely. And it's going to be reflected in their products. Whether that's good or bad remains to be seen.
Now, whip out your mouse, click the Digg Down button, and continue your mad raving based on wild conjecture and baseless rumors. You don't know what they're going to do anymore than I do. You may THINK you know, but you don't. All you can do, like me, is wait and see, and hope for the best. - natedouglas, on 12/06/2007, -5/+27Microsoft is a beautiful example of corporate ineptitude. It's a machine that generates enormous profit while producing some rather mediocre products.
I can hear you saying "STFU & GBTW, natedouglas, you idiot Mac fanboy." But I don't seriously think I'm a Mac fanboy. I bitch about Apple far more than I do about Microsoft, and I actually want Microsoft to do very well. The problem with Microsoft (and with Apple), as I see it, is that the bureaucracy(marketing, business, legal, soulless suits) is strangling the hell out of the programmers, engineers, designers, and other working stiffs.
The bureaucratic ***** doesn't trouble Linux, and as a result it's inarguably on a rough level with OS X and Windows. What does it say about companies like Apple that I bought an Apple TV for my wife and me -- but built XBox Media Centers for my mother and sister, an unsupported free software suite on a hacked gaming console several years old by this point? What does it say that Apple couldn't compete with Microsoft in the OS department until they incorporated a massive amount of BSD? And what does it say about Microsoft that I choose the flawed Apple solutions over their offerings?
The RIAA and MPAA are the normal targets of hatred on Digg. I agree completely. Apple and Microsoft (and many other software companies) need to be added to the list -- not because they're "evil," but because they don't really seem to put forth any genuine effort. There's no @#$%ing reason that my Apple TV shouldn't play XviD, except to protect Apple's iTunes profit margins. There's no @#$%ing reason that Microsoft should be putting out another browser and clamoring about features when the currently-active ones still suffer from immense bugs.
I'm sick of half-baked solutions. And yet I keep buying them. Gah.
*once again sinks into despair and contemplates returning to FreeBSD or Linux* - ndiderrich, on 12/06/2007, -10/+30If you're still using IE7 or IE6 it's time to take your computer and smash it on your forehead.
- noahhoward, on 12/06/2007, -2/+21What about Firefox, Safari, and Opera? It's easy to make a website that displays perfectly in IE each time... but that doesn't mean you're doing good sites.
- Chirp08, on 12/06/2007, -4/+21the 8 is for 8% standards compliant
- frostbyt, on 12/06/2007, -3/+20On cave walls they told a tale of a browser that would invite spyware/malware to install automatically.
- postalblowfish7, on 12/06/2007, -5/+21wouldn't you have to expect it to be good to be disappointed?
IE8: maintaining the status quo of mediocrity. - noahhoward, on 12/06/2007, -6/+21Perhaps you haven't realised but people tend to dislike things that make their job more difficult than it should be.
- Breepee, on 12/06/2007, -0/+15In the long Microsoft tradition of taking everyday words, slapping them together and add a little TM at the end.
- scoot2006, on 12/06/2007, -3/+17Then SHAT it back out?
- Tserk, on 12/06/2007, -9/+23First official mention = 1 year from release? That should be plenty of time to fix all the things in IE6 that didn't get fixed in IE7.
- etandrib, on 12/06/2007, -3/+16No, we'll just have to learn to create CSS hacks for supporting IE6, IE7, & IE8. As if I needed another crappy browser to support.
I'd actually be happy if they STOPPED developing the IE browser. Then I'd only have to worry about IE6 and eventually that would just go away. - noahhoward, on 12/06/2007, -1/+13I'm sorry perhaps you don't realise that a lot of us "Firefox Fanboys" are developers who have to support IE. We have a vested interest in the browser getting better so the internet can move forward, that is why we contribute to IE's developer requests and why we get so ***** tweaked when our requests are ignored. How hard is it to just fix the ***** browser?
- gritta, on 12/06/2007, -2/+14Then spat it back out.
- Adrianc333, on 12/06/2007, -18/+30Oh *****! What a surprise! It's called....wait for it... "IE8"!!!1!!!1one!!1!!1!!!
- goodbyegalaxy, on 12/06/2007, -2/+13This article gives absolutely no information at all about IE8, except a few bad jokes about it's name.
- arjung, on 12/06/2007, -0/+11so compliance has doubled?
- simongzster, on 12/06/2007, -1/+12I clicked on it because I was looking for the phrase "Acid2 Compliant", because I'm tired of having to make two versions of everything. BTW, most of us aren't firefox fanboys, we just expect the web browser that is developed by the world's largest software company to render pages properly.
- Smills, on 12/06/2007, -1/+11Don't make me come over there...
- postalblowfish7, on 12/06/2007, -8/+17Wahoo, let's post a sarcastic comment on digg! It's cool, and has never been done before.
- GeekyGerge, on 12/06/2007, -2/+10http://www.firefox.com
- RyanJones, on 12/06/2007, -2/+10IE is old news and Microsoft are just trying to put more features onto a broken infrastructure. They need to rip the whole thing down and build it again from scratch if they want any chance against modern web browsers. Putting a pretty interface on something IS NOT making it better!
- toxicityj, on 12/06/2007, -7/+14when its got half the plugins FF has, I'll give a damn.
- benitojuarez, on 12/06/2007, -2/+9You should read the article maybe, I dont see anything about IE 8 being released.
- zantos420, on 12/06/2007, -4/+11do you even know what you are talking about??
- djekz, on 12/06/2007, -1/+8I'm sorry what was that? I'm using VI to code my websites as a professional software developer, and IE7 does not make it any easier to do anything. JavaScript errors? Oh here's an exclamation point in a little yellow triangle.
- pauloandreget, on 12/06/2007, -4/+10"In Microsoft products, failure is not an option. It is a standard feature." Will not be different with IE8
- Chewie67, on 12/06/2007, -4/+10Let me guess -- you you're 15, using FrontPage, test only in IE 7, and specialize in $100 web sites, right?
Try creating a few more complex sites using CSS 2 elements, then tell me how great IE 7 is.
http://css-discuss.incutio.com/?page=IE7 - voyvf, on 12/06/2007, -2/+7I refuse to pay Apple's smugness tax, thanks.
- Darkhacker, on 12/06/2007, -0/+5IE 7 is mostly a separate application now. Not completely of course, but it's no longer tied to Windows Explorer (the file manager). It also runs in protected mode on Vista.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/IE7#New_features_and_ ... - madmanz123, on 12/06/2007, -6/+11God what a patronizing posting by the IE team. I was at the FOWD conference in nyc, and the interesting in their silverlight software and new creative tools was laughable. Most people took their sponsored "talk" as a chance to use the rest room.
- Shady77, on 12/06/2007, -5/+10Can we all just agree to call it IE.Last?
- armbar, on 12/07/2007, -0/+5Nah, 0% * 8 is still 0%.
- frostbyt, on 12/06/2007, -5/+10IE8: Now with more support for spyware.
- inactive, on 12/06/2007, -1/+6I think you'll find that it's replacing "MS" with "M$" that's been over for over a decade.
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