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- GregorCZ, on 11/03/2008, -7/+83"During her years at CNET News, Ina Fried has changed beats several times, changed genders once, and covered both of the Pirates of Silicon Valley. These days, most of her attention is focused on Microsoft."
wtf! - AndrewDB, on 11/04/2008, -4/+55Yes.. you will.
Applications will require you to update. - Altanar, on 11/03/2008, -8/+48Does it matter? People who have never used either will complain about how much they don't like it.
- wastern, on 11/04/2008, -1/+36that'll be fun for you in 20 years
- inactive, on 11/04/2008, -5/+38What is so wrong about Windows 7 getting features from other OS. I mean different car brands take ideas from each other to remain competitive, Firefox add-ons pretty much took every single feature from Opera.
It would be like complaining that your wireless company is charging you the exact same price as another company, so probably they stole the idea of charging me 29.99....
Okey, I get the fanboism around here, but lets look at this with objective eyes. For once, people like OSX features, granted. So MS will grab some of the features and offer it to people who will still stick to Windows, so they can have the same/similar experience. Should MS will be more innovative, sure! Should MS have to come up with new ways to convince people that 7 is the way to go now, sure. Whether that is through new technologies or copying some old feature, i personally dont see what is wrong here. It helps to stay competitive and it gives the chance to people like myself who will never get an apple, the chance to improve productivity with features from other OS. - GregorCZ, on 11/03/2008, -1/+33I lol'd how after that terrible audio and video quality of the video finished, it advertises the "Shoot anything, share everything" camera
- Mareshalu, on 11/03/2008, -8/+35Let's just hope it's the cat's meow and not just a Vista "impersonation".
- RodBorn, on 11/04/2008, -13/+39seriously..someone at Microsoft needs to fire that 70 year old Florida bungalow resident who keeps picking the same lame color scheme for these "new" Windows desktops.
- Gizza, on 11/04/2008, -1/+25We've already been through this.
- inactive, on 11/04/2008, -6/+27I have always hated grouped icons. I hope you can turn that ***** off. It is so unintuitive and definitely slows workflow when you have to hunt behind multiple layers for ***** that you used to be able to just click when you needed it.
I hope you can switch to a more classic like task bar all together or i am going to be using XP for another few years to come. - djgreedo, on 11/04/2008, -5/+21I'm pretty sure MinWin is nothing to do with Windows 7 and that Windows 7 is based on the Vista SP1/Server 2008 kernel.
- DelMonte, on 11/04/2008, -7/+22Just wait a few minutes, and someone will post a screenshot of Windows 1.0 with a row of icons at the bottom of the screen, trying to convince you it's a dock, even though it's just a row of icons on the desktop behind, something you could also do on the Lisa in 1983.
- VyPR, on 11/04/2008, -4/+18"Windows 7 will trannysform the way you think about PC's!"
- stubear, on 11/04/2008, -9/+22OS X has peek and the ability to easily see window contents before switching between them? I realize OS X has expose but this is different and an innovative approach to window management. The only real OS X thing I saw "copied" was the single icon in the taskbar instead of the icons and text. Oh my god, I now see how you might have confused that with a pixel for pixel copy of OS X Snow Leopard.
- Whackly, on 11/04/2008, -2/+15All the dudes on this week's TWIT panel seemed impressed. Also.. seriously... what exactly is wrong with Vista? I've used it. All the issues that annoyed me were gone with SP1. I only use XP now because it's snappier on my older hardware (I'm cheap).
- ashgtx, on 11/04/2008, -19/+32Secret Microsoft Formula:
OSX+KDE4= Windows 7
Shhh....don't tell anybody!!! - Renton, on 11/04/2008, -5/+17Maybe the next Windows will have the desktop cube
*crosses fingers* - dullnation, on 11/04/2008, -2/+13Like the ribbon in Office 2007, a Microsoft rep said they aren't making the new taskbar optional. Personally, I like it so I don't care but I can see why people would be peeved without the option to move back to the old one.
(people scared of change. HA!) - scarz99, on 11/04/2008, -1/+11That's what you said about 2000....
- Gizza, on 11/04/2008, -1/+11MinWin isn't a full OS kernel, it's the basics of a Kernel which can then be built upon modually to create a kernel for a desktop OS, server OS, mobile OS etc.
The kernel in Vista was already built from MinWin, and the kernel in 7 will be much the same.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Minwin (I know wikipedia isn't the greatest source, but I can't be bothered finding anything else right now).
"Several months after Traut's demonstration, some confusion arose from an interview by Ina Fried of Cnet's News.com with Steven Sinofsky; Sinofsky described the Windows 7 kernel as a further evolution of the Windows Server 2008 kernel, itself an evolution of the Windows Vista kernel.[11] This was interpreted by web sites such as Slashdot[12] to mean that Windows 7 would not include MinWin. Mark Russinovich suggested that some of the confusion surrounding MinWin may be related to the imprecise use of the word "kernel";[13] MinWin is not, in and of itself a kernel, but rather a set of components that includes both the Windows NT executive and several other components that Russinovich has described as "Cutler's NT",[14] a reference to Dave Cutler, the original architect of Windows NT.[15]" - bluesix, on 11/04/2008, -2/+12mac user and think it look kinda useful!
- Sketchcast, on 11/04/2008, -1/+10Apparently MS has been basing a lot of their UI research on metrics collected by opt-in usage tracking programs. Basically they record massive amounts of data on how users accomplish tasks, and figure out where time is being wasted, and where certain tasks are counter-intuitive or badly arranged.
- ScientistBlah, on 11/04/2008, -34/+43So they basically took ***** that either Linux or OS X already had, and tossed it into windows.
- univerio, on 11/04/2008, -4/+13You know what grinds my gears? Hovering. It takes half a second for the thumbnails to pop up and then I can click compared to the classic point and click. It might be cool for my grandma, but if i have 20 windows open, I want to be able to switch my windows instantly.
- Sketchcast, on 11/04/2008, -4/+13The new taskbar looks like a good compromise between the classic taskbar and a dock.
The biggest issue I have with the OSX dock is that if you have multiple documents of the same type open, it's a pain in the ass to switch between them; I mean there is expose, but I find it extremely distractive and disruptive to workflow.
This is the first windows release that I've been genuinely excited about since Windows 2000. Fingers crossed that they deliver on their promises of a lean, simple, OS. - Skewt, on 11/04/2008, -3/+12Looks like Windows is looking up as a platform. More intuitive and streamlined should be any OSes mantra.
- adml_shake, on 11/04/2008, -1/+10I got it off a umm..site that doesn't need to be talked about. After I got the hack working for the new taskbar, and had it up and running in VMWare, I have to say so far I like it. Can't wait to see what the later releases bring.
- TokenBlack, on 11/04/2008, -1/+10Dugg for "cat's meow"
- seedsofwar, on 11/04/2008, -1/+9as if linux GUIs haven't been copying the ***** out of XP for years. apple, linux, and microsoft all have and will continue to borrow good concepts from each other that manage to become popular in computing. if a concept works well, why shouldn't other vendors implement it? if nothing else, doing so makes it that much easier for people to move between devices and platforms and still know what they're doing.
it's called progress. it's for the greater good of all users, and the pride of mouth-breathing basement-dwellers in "getting there first" is entirely irrelevant. - inactive, on 11/04/2008, -0/+8I have a question: WILL THERE BE TABS IN EXPLORER.EXE?
- zakatov, on 11/04/2008, -1/+9It's just an OS, put your dick away
- PixelEater, on 11/04/2008, -1/+9I will never stop using 3.1x. I bet Windows 7 can't even play Dinosaurs 3D.
- fuse13, on 11/04/2008, -1/+9oh please. "professional workplace" doesnt necesarily equal "conservative and stodgy".
- jhonizzle, on 11/04/2008, -26/+33so you could say the "new" taskbar is kinda like a...Dock? i feel like i've seen this idea before, built off of something called NeXT-Step...oh OSX riiiight
- soogy, on 11/04/2008, -3/+10So does Windows Vista. What is your point?
- smurf22, on 11/04/2008, -13/+20That bottom bar looks awfully similar to KDE.
- tylerjwilk, on 11/04/2008, -3/+10Indeed. Its ironic that KDE 3.x looked awfully similar to Windows and now Windows 7 looks awfully similar to KDE 4.x
1, 2, switcharoo! - Sketchcast, on 11/04/2008, -1/+8I just prefer the taskbar to keystrokes or expose when I'm juggling data from one spreadsheet to another; in this respect Windows and Gnome work better for me.
I mean I like my macbook and I just don't always like the way OSX does things, but I guess burying dissenting opinion is the way you hardcore apple people do things?
I suppose if I said I missed my 2 panel tree view it'd be a crime worthy of being burned at the stake? - lacronicus, on 11/04/2008, -1/+8Actually, you dont have to hover at all. If you click on an icon with a single window open, it will open that window. On an icon with multiple windows open, a click brings up a menu of each window, showing both the windows name and a thumbnail of the contents. Of course, this is completely app customizable, so, for example, instead of being just each window, internet explorer has a thumbnail for each tab, which imo is even better.
Try it before you knock it; everything you need to try it yourself is out there, so go use it and actually find out if you like it, rather than just going off of some videos that dont actually show you whats going on. - tama00, on 11/04/2008, -1/+7Cool im already running windows 7 on my macbook!
- SanTe, on 11/04/2008, -2/+8"(people scared of change. HA!)"
For those who say, "Change is good," I say, "Change is neither inherently good nor bad. Change is just change."
When it comes to our operating systems, some of us don't want change unless we feel it is an improvement that is worth our while and it suits our tastes. What others, including Microsoft / Apple / any Linux distro group, feel about it is irrelevant. - Markb3489, on 11/04/2008, -10/+16nice dock at the bottom of the screen
- AdmiralAcbar, on 11/04/2008, -0/+6Dugg for the first half and buried for the second. So you are neutral.
- DeathfireD, on 11/04/2008, -3/+9Don't disrespect win98 by comparing ME to it. ME was pure garbage.
- dizzythegreat, on 11/04/2008, -5/+11sexy clear taskbar meets quicklaunch meets dock. i like it. finally an innovative and pretty solution to merging or squeezed taskbar buttons and ellipses.
now if they would only sell this technology or outsource it to someone who could implement it into an operating system that wasn't broken. sigh.
registry and .dll hell are with us forever. - jack2454, on 11/04/2008, -0/+6Any one know when it's coming out?
- scarz99, on 11/04/2008, -2/+8Jesus that Flip video SUCKS!
- jlimon, on 11/04/2008, -8/+14While I don't see anything wrong with transgendered people, I do think that kind of comment is kind of.. out of place? I wouldn't go as far as to as inappropriate, but CNET is a professional workplace kind of website..
- latrosicarius, on 11/04/2008, -0/+5it wont be a cube. it will be a poorly implemented desktop triangle.
- roxgod666, on 11/04/2008, -0/+5So why are you speaking Nazi German?
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