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- ridd1e, on 03/04/2008, -7/+281Saying no to crappy coders and bad workarounds is the best thing to do when you want the web to be a great place. Fantastic news, MS for the first time in a long while did something as it should.
- trammell, on 03/04/2008, -9/+205This is great news! Congrats to the IE8 team!
- daGUY, on 03/04/2008, -3/+122This is fantastic news. Essentially, they're keeping the meta tag, but now it will be used to trigger the old behavior rather than the new. I'm quite surprised at this reversal, but IMHO it will be much better for the web in the long run. As someone who makes a living doing web design, I really, really look forward to the day that IE8's market share surpasses IE6/7, and we can *finally* start coding to real standards without having to "fix" (aka hack) 800 things for IE.
Thank you for listening MS! - acidandspatter, on 03/04/2008, -3/+106This is fantastic. Hopefully Microsoft will put all of their marketing might behind IE8 so we can finally push IE5 and 6 out of the equation and have two less browsers to worry about when developing. Today is a good day.
- THE4IRON, on 03/04/2008, -22/+112It's pathetic that this is "big news" It's almost like saying "My new car will go forwards AND backwards"
- Grimdotdotdot, on 03/04/2008, -2/+90Now they just have to stop support for IE6.
- dburka, on 03/04/2008, -13/+86That's being a bit unfair to the IE/Microsoft team. I've actually been awfully impressed with their responsiveness on a number of issues over the past year and a half. They've done a much better job of engaging with the web development and design community and this is another good example of them listening instead of just telling. Since they announced the plan to freeze the rendering engine versioning in January, there's been a lot of good discussion across the community. Kudos to the IE team for talking and adapting.
- Bamborzled, on 03/04/2008, -1/+63Really, the great accomplishment here is not that the IE team decided to make standards-compliance mode the default, but rather that they actually listened.
- rebotfc, on 03/04/2008, -37/+94Only took them til 2008. Sorry but I cannot praise Microsoft for this as the only reason they changed was because they began to loose the browser war. It's nothing to do with principles or good intentions. MS has already reaped the benefit of having a non-compliant browser thru the late 90's and early 2000's.
- wedgemartin, on 03/04/2008, -15/+63Microsoft has a browser?
- petecampbell, on 03/04/2008, -12/+50Still going to stick with Firefox, sorry.
- lcmatt, on 03/04/2008, -4/+39I stopped developing for IE6 before Christmas, if users can't be bothered to upgrade to IE7 then I can't be bothered to spend hours trying to fix the mess it creates.
- Malovech, on 03/04/2008, -2/+37IE5, who is still catering to IE5?
- Asianwaste, on 03/04/2008, -3/+35People need to stop using IE6. My school still has it installed on every comp. I understand IE7 kinda sucks, but man.. IE6?
- DivisibleByZero, on 03/04/2008, -11/+42It took them 8 versions to come to that decision?
Good thing they threw in that "best it can" loophole. That way they don't have to actually try. - scottschiller, on 03/04/2008, -4/+33It sounds like they're listening to the community, which is a welcome change. Releasing a new browser that behaves like its older version by default (eg. the previously-proposed "opt-in" standards mode,) would have been rather weird if you ask me.
- Malovech, on 03/04/2008, -0/+28That just doesn't make any sense mcphatty. IE6 is a pile of *****.
- romistrub, on 03/04/2008, -1/+28Huge congrats! Hopefully, I can stop bitching about IE now.
- MAGZine, on 04/22/2008, -3/+30Web designers and developers rejoice!
- TnTBass, on 03/04/2008, -4/+31Fantastic news for Microsoft and the web in general.
However, now that IE will actually work as well as Firefox (and every other web browser) I see less reason for the average Joe to switch from using IE to using an alternative. Which, is exactly why Microsoft is pushing for standards compliance.
However, that being said, I also see no reason to switch back to IE. - dandonia, on 03/04/2008, -4/+29Lets not forget why they did those things though
- plizard, on 03/04/2008, -7/+31and i'll keep using firefox as best i can
- Grimdotdotdot, on 03/04/2008, -8/+31MS are way, way out in the lead when it comes to browser use.
- finista, on 03/04/2008, -2/+24IE FTW!
Oh...
*backs up slowly* - romistrub, on 03/04/2008, -9/+31Oh yeah, because other for-profit companies do things for "good intentions"? I don't care about their intentions. What they are doing is awesome, and if they receive a flood of positive feedback from it, then it will encourage them to continue to do similarly awesome things. Hopefully.
- inactive, on 03/04/2008, -0/+21Sometimes progress has to be forced onto people.
- sirhomer, on 03/04/2008, -5/+26I look forward to the day where web developers can have a decently complex website and not have to implement workarounds for Internet Explorer because of strange CSS and EMCAScript behaviors. Looks like this is a positive step in that direction.
- inactive, on 03/04/2008, -5/+25Then you've never built a website to W3C standards and had it function properly in every single browser out there with the exception of IE.
- p0tent1al, on 03/04/2008, -0/+19key words there is "over the past year and a half".
- demonbaby, on 03/04/2008, -2/+20Christ, it's about time. Of course, this would be better news if the interweb masses weren't going to keep on using IE6 on their 800x600 monitors for the next three years. For the sake of web designers, browsers should come with a built-in kill switch that deactives old versions when new ones are out, forcing people like my mother to upgrade their ancient software.
- redxxx, on 03/04/2008, -2/+20bwaaahaaahaahahahahaha
ha, - ell0bo, on 03/04/2008, -0/+17I was relatively sure those computers had all died at least 2 years ago...
- Daveydje, on 03/04/2008, -8/+24This is great news... Although, it a bit like say "okay okay, we'll stop being asshats and actually build a browser that actually works like you expect it to".
- santasing, on 03/04/2008, -0/+16This move will help web developers, not web users. People who use IE will use IE, people who don't, won't.
- Asianwaste, on 03/04/2008, -0/+16They weren't Y2K compliant XD
- Grimdotdotdot, on 03/04/2008, -6/+21Jesus - people still do the M$ thing?
- aprocter, on 03/04/2008, -0/+15only coders nest that many brackets comfortably.
- richardhenry, on 03/04/2008, -1/+15You're forgetting that there are many many people still driving around in "Microsoft Road Explorer", the only car on the market with no wheels. For Microsoft to finally offer this (what you would think would be standard) feature is a god send for the people who pave those roads.
- Silverjam, on 03/04/2008, -0/+14Excellent news. This is indeed nice nice nice, and good for the net in the long run. Guess they were anticipating the META-hell in IE9, IE10, .... which would've happened if they'd stuck to the reverse behaviour.
- jer2eydevil88, on 03/04/2008, -2/+16Just watch... the next announcement they'll make will be to let everyone know IE 8 is going to be Vista only...
- eternicode, on 03/04/2008, -0/+14This news is more for web devs than for actual users. I'm going to use FF as well, but a standards-compliant IE is groundbreaking when I want to build a site.
- bsonline, on 03/04/2008, -2/+15Anyone else check to make sure it was blogs.msdn.com instead of theonion.com?
- greenlant00, on 03/04/2008, -4/+17werd. IE with min-width support and no more stupid hacks.
- wellyuk, on 03/04/2008, -2/+14However if users upgrade to IE7, then IE7 is rooted deep within XP. No more IE6.
- lazyrussian, on 03/04/2008, -1/+13Let me preface this buy saying that I'm not a huge fan of MS , but Office 2007 has a very inuitive and easy-on-the-eyes navigation system.
You sound like your anti-21st century - gsnedders, on 03/04/2008, -0/+11The previous issues were caused by upper-management stopping development of IE: there _was_ no IE team to even be responsive.
- eternicode, on 03/04/2008, -1/+12Did you read the article?
IE8 is the new default ^_^ - lelio98, on 03/04/2008, -2/+12YAY! With this announcement comes the real and exciting prospect of actual standards based web design being of the utmost importance, finally!
- jakobmakob, on 03/04/2008, -0/+10Lose.
And what benefits are there of having a non-compliant browser? - Hemanshu, on 03/04/2008, -3/+12seems like they've given up on Microsoft being the standard
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