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- inactive, on 10/12/2007, -14/+90But linux can run on a solar powered dildo ...
/sarcasm - sleepyness, on 10/12/2007, -8/+49Vista is FINE w/o a DX10 card, DX10 GAMES are not. There's a difference...
- bbrosemer, on 10/12/2007, -3/+43Last time I checked Vista itself cost $100....?
- igraham09, on 10/12/2007, -5/+44While Linux is free and probably is, in some respects, a bit faster than Vista...
why don't we all just stop kidding ourselves and admit that to USE Linux (at least; in an efficient manner); you have to LEARN Linux...
and i'd be willing to bet that the average computer user does not want to LEARN an OS, they just want to USE it. - sleepyness, on 10/12/2007, -0/+34You don't have to have 2gb of ram..
- chinaman1472, on 10/12/2007, -0/+26Here's the component list priced from from Mwave.com ACCORDING TO THE ARTICLE:
Heres the breakdown of the system (prices don't include tax)
Motherboard: Intel BOXD945GCCRL - $72.45. DDR2 667 memory capable. SATA 300. PCI-E and enough room for expansion.
Processor: Intel PENTIUM D 820 2.8GHZ - $88.9. Low-end, very fast and capable dual core processor.
Memory: KINGSTON VALUE RAM KVR667D2N5/1G - $75.60. Two of these sticks for a total of 2 GB. Good memory. Reliable (so far for me)
Video Card: MSI RX700SE-TD256E RADEONX700SE - $62.90. 256 Mb. DirectX 9.0. Plenty of power for everyday tasks and some light gaming.
Hard Drive: WD 250GB WD2500KS - $67.50. SATA300. 16MB. 7200RPM. Fast. Reliable. Plenty of space.
Case: ANTEC NSK4400. $61.05. Quality case. Plenty of room. Mini-ATX. 380-watt PSU
Optical Drive: SAMSUNG 18X SH-S183L. $37.90. SATA. Dual layer. Lightscribe. Fast and no messy IDE cable. - Holyfool19, on 10/12/2007, -5/+28If all you do is browse the intertubes and play world of warcraft, this is a sweet setup.
- sleepyness, on 10/12/2007, -11/+34Digg me down...but tell me how a Mac Mini could beat this? :P OSX doesn't count..
- luvkit, on 10/12/2007, -3/+23For curious diggers, the 'mirror' is a link to an uninteresting picture unrelated to anything.
- jaydj, on 10/12/2007, -2/+22Only dx9 is needed for Aero. This machine will run Vista Ultimate.
- sleepyness, on 10/12/2007, -16/+36Not too bad. Beats a Mac Mini... :P
- epu2, on 10/12/2007, -4/+21dell just wants to sell it's crap to you
- estvir, on 10/12/2007, -3/+20Vista is more or less perfectly stable, it's yet to crash for me and I've had it running since retail launch. I haven't even had a crash from dodgy Nvidia drivers.
- ElectroBot, on 10/12/2007, -0/+17No its not. It's almost TWICE the price.
According to www.froogle.com
Pentium D 820 - $125.49
E6300 Core 2 Duo - $227.57
(Cheapest on first page - BTW that Pentium D 820 for $77.04 looks suspicious) - estvir, on 10/12/2007, -8/+25No, 1GB is perfectly fine for Vista.
- Giga, on 10/12/2007, -1/+16"Psh, you'd barely run WoW with that video card."
It would run fine. WoW is playable (barely) on the integrated graphics that comes built into the motherboard in the article. In fact, Vista runs perfectly on a GMA 950 as long as the system has at least 1GB RAM. - Holyfool19, on 10/12/2007, -0/+14I run world of warcraft on an old old Radeon 9600 pro 128 agp, so 2GB of ram and a 256 vid card would be an improvement on my already adequate WOW setup.
- Badaudio, on 10/12/2007, -2/+16No its not the E6300 cost around 180$ while the D seems to be at 80 dollars which is Alot cheaper.
- dustinl4m3, on 10/12/2007, -1/+15Have you used or installed Vista? I'm typing this on a 3 year old POS "Averatec" laptop, "old school" P4 3.0ghz, ATI 9600 Mobility 64mb, with 1GB PC2700. Vista runs perfectly fine w/Aero (Windows experience rating 3.0, from graphics, all other scores are 4.2+). I don't know if it's as fast at everything as XP was on this same machine, but it definately handles resources better and it doesn't crash.
And yes, I use other apps, Photoshop etc, and the machine still runs fine. You don't know what you are talking about.
This, coming from someone who loathes MS even. I guess I'm getting too old to be a linux zealot 24/7. - foxhoundadmin, on 10/12/2007, -0/+13also, the mac mini has intel gma 950 graphics, which, still, is nowhere as good as the x700 (se or no).
- MikeCerm, on 10/12/2007, -1/+12Pretend like Aero is an application.... There, now upgrade.
- theredbomb, on 10/12/2007, -1/+12"total is roughly $667 or so. that's hardly $500, and you still don't get all the aero effects bc you skimped in not getting ultimate."
You get Aero with Home Premium, Busniess, and Ultimate. The only one that you can buy and not get it is Home Basic. What he doesn't get is remote desktop and the file copy thing. - inactive, on 10/12/2007, -0/+11WoW would run like the win on a x700 card, whoever said that WoW can barely run is a ***** moron. EQ2 or Vanguard in high quality, thats another story.
- geoken, on 10/12/2007, -0/+11I set up Vista on my dad's PC which has lower specs than this one. My dad has a P4 2.8 (single core), Radeon X700 AGP, 1.5g of ram, and IDE HD's. It runs Vista great. His Vista score is 4.1 IIRC. The OS boots faster and apps load faster than Ubuntu. From clicking the firefox icon to having firefox load is about 3x faster in Vista (probably due to superfetch) than it is in Ubuntu.
Flip3d runs as fast and smooth as scale or ring switcher in beryl. - inactive, on 10/12/2007, -0/+10Don't forget to get a USB drive for readyboost.
- techboy2000, on 10/12/2007, -2/+12The Mac Mini has a Core Duo (not Core 2 Duo)
- DeathScytheHell, on 10/12/2007, -3/+11Does that come bundle with Frogger?
- ThirdPrize, on 10/12/2007, -1/+9Yes, because there are just soo many DX10 games out there at the moment.
- crpietschmann, on 10/12/2007, -0/+8I've been running Vista with 1GB RAM since it RTM'd back in November. Everything runs perfect.
- sleepyness, on 10/12/2007, -1/+9RTFA. Case comes with one.
- theredbomb, on 10/12/2007, -1/+8The advantage isn't that "it looks pretty." The Aero theme is part of Window's new window management system. You know why OSX draws windows much fast, and can update video without tearing? Because the windows are actually 3D objects to the system, and the graphics card stores and handles all drawing the windows. In XP the windows are managed by software and the processor, which is why video playback tears when you move the window. There is a significant performance boots by allowing your graphics card to do those jobs.
- inactive, on 10/12/2007, -0/+7I'm currently running Vista Ultimage RTM on an Athlon XP 2600, with 1gb of Ram, ATI 9600 Vid, and a 120GB SATA drive. IT RUNS JUST AS GOOD AS THE SAME MACHINE RUNNING XP and openSUSE 10.2. openSUSE 10.2 on the same machine with beryl is a complete dog, plus it's unstable and buggy as hell.
- geoken, on 10/12/2007, -1/+8"What does it offer to a home user except for DX10?"
It runs faster, it looks better, it lets you find files faster, it lets you organize files easier, it has better built in apps (DVD maker, Movie Maker 2 HD), etc. - Cybie, on 10/12/2007, -2/+9Question: If all your doing is browsing and "light gaming", does one really need Vista? Why not a fully up-to-date XP if you need windows or your favorite Linux distro if you don't need windows.
- theredbomb, on 10/12/2007, -0/+7@glock22ownr
"Thats if you want the craptastic home version of Vista. Ultimate is 400 bucks, business is 200, so add either to the cost of this PC. "
First: Read the details, Home Premium has the new visual upgrades, plus media center and Xbox connectivity. Not a bad deal, if you are just browsing the internet and watching movies.
Second: If you're building a computer then you know about buying OEM, and then you'd see that you can get Vista Ultimate for $200 from Newegg, and Home Premium is only $120. - techboy2000, on 10/12/2007, -0/+7The idea makes sense. I bought a $1000 core duo computer recently and like it. I expect to keep it at least 4 years but if I was to do it over again I would buy this $500 computer and upgrade in two years.
- crpietschmann, on 10/12/2007, -0/+6Um.. no it wont run slower. Actually Vista runs at a comparable speed to XP on the same hardware; as long as you have at least 1GB RAM.
- Wytefang, on 10/12/2007, -0/+6The same idiots who are saying it costs a lot to build a Vista-ready PC are the same ones who spew BS about how it costs too much to own a good gaming PC, also. Silly console fanboys..... ::: shaking head :::
- AMDnVidiaATi, on 10/12/2007, -4/+10desistere you suck:
The mac mini is single core and the intel GMA 900 does not even TOUCH the X700. overall that come does not compare. - Tannerc27, on 10/12/2007, -2/+8@ djlosch
Aero comes with Home Premium too, don't be a dumbass - crimson117, on 10/12/2007, -0/+6@ElectroBot: "Pentium D 820 - $125.49, E6300 Core 2 Duo - $227.57 (Cheapest on first page of froogle)"
First page on froogle is meaningless, especially if you don't first sort it by lowest price.
Newegg has the E6300 for $183 shipped. http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.asp?Item=N82E16819115005
And the Pentium D 820 can be had for $96.90 at ZipZoomFly: http://www.zipzoomfly.com/jsp/ProductDetail.jsp?ProductCode=80830
(you're right that the $77 was fishy... it was OEM, meaning it comes without a heatsink so you'd have to spend $10-$20 to get one) http://www.ewiz.com/detail.php?p=PD-820&c=fr&pid=61c17c9acf072d37dfad2bc91f2578e289ca3475b0feca2db52d0919a14cbaee - MikeCerm, on 10/12/2007, -0/+5Their article was a bit flawed, and didn't take into account normal usage scenarios. The basically tested performance if you startup your computer, and open OpenOffice. They didn't test to see what it's like if OpenOffice, Firefox, and Photoshop where already running, and then you tried to open Thunderbird.
Basically, the less unused RAM you have, the less extra space you have for caching, and the more ReadyBoost works. So, if you've got a GB and 800MB are being used, the boost should be the same as if you've only got 512MB and 300 are in use. In either case there's 200MB of memory to use for SuperFetch, and the 1GB of flash on top for ReadyBoost.
In the grand scheme of things, ReadyBoost doesn't do that much. It's really just there to help launch programs quickly, and I don't do much program launching. Once my programs are open, they stay open, except Firefox, which I have to restart twice a day because it's a memory-leaking machine! Even so, I know that it's better to have my free 1GB SD card in there doing something, than to have it doing nothing. - inactive, on 10/12/2007, -4/+9This is about computers that can run Windows Vista, not Macs.
- TonyTheTerrible, on 10/12/2007, -0/+5The answer? Buy everything on newegg and still save money even after shipping.
- sleepyness, on 10/12/2007, -1/+6$1099? Based on price alone the Mac Mini loses..
- guyperson, on 10/12/2007, -2/+7The page is dead already... I'm just going to assume it's at least better than this: http://www.electronixandmore.com/misc/computers/2packardbell.jpg I remember when that was "fast."
- jman8888, on 10/12/2007, -2/+7Somewhat faster processor. But this has a graphics card so it wins
- foxhoundadmin, on 10/12/2007, -2/+6btw, lateralus, why don't you share the link to this school bookstore where you bought that core solo mac mini for $299. i can't even find 'em on ebay THAT cheap; and i'd LOVE to have one!
- djAnakin, on 10/12/2007, -0/+4Not everyone games. All I used mine for is internets, and photoshopping.
- geoken, on 10/12/2007, -0/+4This machine will be in the high 4's. My dad has a similar build with a 4.1 score. My dad's pc has a single core P4 2.8 (this build had a dual core), and a 128mb AGP X700 (this build has a 256mb PCI-E X700). This build also has more ram, faster ram, and SATA 3 HD's (my dad's PC has IDE HD's).
Also, there is no 'perfect score'. The scores will continue to go up as hardware gets better. That way game manufacturers can say 'this game requires of Vista graphics score of 3.8, 4.8 recomended'. Then 2 years doen the road they can release a more demanding game that says it needs a 4.5 and recomends 6.1 or something. -
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