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- rubikfreak, on 10/12/2007, -2/+39Yeah, this is extremely smart. Companies like Microsoft should provide USB sticks for a large installation like Vista and charge an extra $20 or so. It would make everything so much faster.
- widoka, on 10/12/2007, -4/+31protip: don't post mac-positive things in a blog where people are NOT criticizing things about Microsoft...it just isn't smart.
- alwaysmc2, on 10/12/2007, -3/+27"protip: don't post mac-positive things in a blog where people are NOT criticizing things about Microsoft...it just isn't smart."
It's not that. It's that is just seems like the only point of that was just to remind us that Apple exists.
...like the quicktime logo in the system tray that is a pain to turn off if you don't remember where the right option is. (It's in the "Advanced" tab by the way.) It's just screams, "I'm here! I exist! Yay me!" - drbroccoli, on 11/11/2007, -0/+19Might have to do with seek time. The seek time of a CD is slow, and it spends more time seeking than reading. On flash, seek is down to nanoseconds, making it a non-issue. Continuous 25 MBPS vs 32 in short and relatively infrequent bursts.
- dark_helmet, on 11/11/2007, -0/+17Access times are far higher on a CD/DVD drive than on a flash drive
- EzarKun, on 10/12/2007, -0/+17makes sense for system technicians
not for individual consumer, too expensive - inactive, on 10/12/2007, -0/+16"It's not that. It's that is just seems like the only point of that was just to remind us that Apple exists."
What is this Apple you're talking about? That small mp3 player manufacturer?
;-) - dinh, on 10/12/2007, -0/+13Is this possible with a XP installation?
- USAOwnz, on 10/12/2007, -0/+13This is awesome! Real time saver, if you're the person the reformats every once in a while, too.
Dugg! - Samsong, on 10/12/2007, -2/+14Isn't 32MBPS with the cd-drive > 25MBPS with the flash drive?
Why does this work? - estvir, on 10/12/2007, -3/+14Wow.. why hadn't anyone thought of doing this before (Or have they ?)? Anyway, definitely digging this.
- inactive, on 11/11/2007, -1/+11why do you all seem to think that "the average joe" does not know how to go to the store, pick up a boxed copy of vista, and put it into their cd tray
- AMSRay, on 10/12/2007, -0/+10Hard disk iPods will not be as fast, but a Nano might. But you can find a 4 gig USB flash for 20 to 40 dollars if you shop around. I haven't seen any (working) iPod Nanos close to that. It's not the streaming speed that gives flash an advantage, it's the random access seek times. No moving parts means it can seek much quicker.
- geoken, on 11/11/2007, -0/+9The flash drive might be slower for sustained transfers but it's faster for random reads.
- GliTCH82, on 10/12/2007, -0/+9I've been following up on Windows PE 2.0 and it's really amazing what that platform can do. Essentially it's the minimal version of Vista that runs while Vista itself is installing, but you can also load it up on a flash drive or DVD-ROM for installation, and even a CD-ROM with it on there will give you a great environment for recovery. There's a lot of people working on figuring out how to install their favorite applications, drivers, etc. on it so that essentially you will have a Vista live bootable CD, DVD, or UFD. They're trying to do with Vista what Bart PE and Reatogo XPE did with XP.
- inactive, on 10/12/2007, -0/+7dugg for link to that flashdrive, talk about a deal!
- happyponcho42, on 10/12/2007, -1/+7@Samsong:
Where did you get 32MB/s from for a CD-ROM drive? A CD-ROM reading at 52x potentially reaches a little under 8MB/s not counting any overhead that may be present. I would say that a 52x CD-ROM, which seems to be pretty typical these days, theoretically reading at 8MB/s, is slower then a USB 2.0 flash drive reading at 25MB/s. - anti_hax0r, on 10/12/2007, -1/+7no *****
- goldcityguy, on 11/11/2007, -0/+65-10 Minute install makes me almost want to try it...32MB/s....28.1MB/s on hdtech
$60 though
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.asp?Item=N82E16820220156 - tempusrob, on 10/12/2007, -0/+6There's no reason it shouldn't. As long as your computer can boot off a USB device it doesn't really matter what's on it.
- j_bellone, on 10/12/2007, -0/+5Corrected. You're wrong.
- tempusrob, on 10/12/2007, -3/+8"like the quicktime logo in the system tray that is a pain to turn off"
Start --> Run ... --> Type in MSCONFIG --> "Startup" tab --> uncheck "qttask" - MikeCerm, on 11/11/2007, -0/+5There's a lot of disc thrashing that goes on during a Vista install, and seek times on a flash drive like this are basically zero.
What puzzles me is why Microsoft didn't just make it so that the first step in the install process is that the entire disc image is copied to the hard drive, and then let the install process happen. I think that would have been quicker than seeking around the DVD, copying some files and skipping others. - happyponcho42, on 10/12/2007, -0/+4Sorry, you must have missed the "... from ..." part of the article's title. It's not installing onto, it's installing "from", hence the notes regarding speed of installation from a USB drive that supposedly reads at 25MB/s.
- scootinger, on 11/11/2007, -8/+125-10 minutes? It took me longer to activate Vista over the phone with Microsoft!
- alchemista, on 10/12/2007, -0/+4Why not post the original link? Instead, the posted link just spiders out the original link and adds Google Adwords to their page so they can make money off the digg post. Lame...
Original link and better formatted:
http://kurtsh.spaces.live.com/blog/cns!DA410C7F7E038D!1665.entry - MikeCerm, on 10/12/2007, -0/+4One of the joys of the 6-month release schedule... You get a new Frisbee every 6-months... Two if you count Kubuntu!
- Octanum, on 11/11/2007, -0/+3I guess, but the mention of "high speed" in the title confused me, so now I'm not really sure :P I'm still not sure about the non OS thing though, since an iPod should be able to act like a flash drive. I've seen guides on how to use an iPod as a bootable drive, but I'm not sure if that could be considered a non OS environment.
- Octanum, on 10/12/2007, -0/+3Hmmm, I actually never thought much about the seek time. Thanks for explaining.
On another note, iPods could be used for people that aren't willing to fork out $20-$40 for a flash drive when they already have an or another type of MP3 player. - inactive, on 10/12/2007, -0/+3But I like Ubuntu deployed using CDs! I love to play Frisbee with them! :-)
- MikeCerm, on 10/12/2007, -0/+3Read/Write speed of the Nano will probably be much slower than the super-fast flash drive mentioned in the article. Would it be faster than a disc install? Possibly, but probably not when you factor in the time it takes you to format your Nano, copy the DVD to it, do the install, and then restore your Nano so you can play tunes on it again.
A 2.5" USB hard drive would probably be a good alternative. The seek time on a hard drive is much lower than the seek time on a DVD, and the transfer rate is double that of flash. - jsaya, on 10/12/2007, -0/+3@goldcityguy
actually ($42.99 after $15.00 Mail-In Rebate) + 3 Business Day Shipping $4.99 = $47.98 ;) - smb3d, on 10/12/2007, -1/+4I think I saw taxcut for sale on a USB thumb drive. It was only 256MB, but it was the first time I'd seen it done before.
- doug_brit, on 10/12/2007, -0/+3How on earth would you get this to validate, it couldn't transfer machines. Is Usb 2.0 faster than IDE?
- happyponcho42, on 10/12/2007, -0/+3@jsleno
You also have to keep in mind that some people like to maintain a miraculously clean computer for whatever reason, whether it be to clear their tracks of illegal activity or preventing build up of junk. ...and so they may format and reinstall their operating system a number of times which would save a greater part of addicts' lives if they could only do it faster.
Heck, in the time it took to reinstall using a CD-ROM, they may even be able to format, reinstall, format, reinstall and repeat as desired. - emer, on 10/12/2007, -0/+2We've been applying .wim based images over SMB shares and it only takes 3-5 minutes for the base install. The USB method is nice and portable but network is much better option.
- khyberkitsune, on 10/12/2007, -1/+3Sweet, I'm about to get a killer bonus for suggesting this at work, and demonstrating it'll work! Thank you, Digg! A thousand, million times, thank you!
Digg beat slashdot to showing me something that's worthwhile, and makes money. BTW, slashdot NEVER showed me anything that could make me quick money, and digg is far newer than slashdot!
Some of digg may hate me, but if they dugg this story, I thank them too! - hackerssidekick, on 10/12/2007, -1/+3http://www.msfn.org/board/index.php?act=ST&f=149&t=89955
- snipes, on 10/12/2007, -0/+2Sounds fun.
But I only have a 2GB Thumb Drive.... - VOODOOS!L, on 02/18/2009, -0/+2the following app is much easier, with nice GUI: http://digg.com/microsoft/Easy_install_windows_fro ...
- GliTCH82, on 10/12/2007, -0/+2I don't know about that. I think it would take about 5-10 minutes to copy the Vista DVD onto the hard drive first, defeating the purpose. What surprises me however is Microsoft doesn't offer Vista on a UFD.
- DriversPlaza, on 01/10/2009, -0/+2yea i got a detailed version of it here - http://www.techlookz.com/windows-vista-errors-twea ...
- goldcityguy, on 10/12/2007, -0/+2@jsaya
;-) thanks - anshulsharma, on 10/12/2007, -0/+25-10 mins...!!! Super fast...
- inactive, on 10/12/2007, -0/+2You should switch back to windows or OSX if linux (Ubuntu of all distros lol!) is giving you that much trouble. They both surf the intertubes just as well.
- revoltism, on 10/12/2007, -2/+3It's not very impressive. Ubuntu (linux) takes about 1 or 2 minutes from cd and about the same from usb drive. If you like you could even run from you're usb drive or emulate at work in a windows environment. It's free, virus free, faster and more beautiful.
- Topher06, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1Installed in less then 10 minutes from the DVD, what is the advantage of this, it takes longer to copy the DVD to the USB drive first before you install it. Vista installs itself by copying an image file from DVD to your hard drive, so copying it first to a USB drive is redundant.
- insovietrussia, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1I wonder why it took so long for someone to think of this. USB drives have been on the market for quite some time now and you would only need a gig for an XP install.
- trogdoor, on 10/12/2007, -1/+2I do it all the time, it is much faster and you can save files / preferences to the drive, it's like a normal install with the main difference being that it reconfigures automatically for new hardware at every boot. https://wiki.ubuntu.com/LiveUsbPendrivePersistent
- MasterChi, on 10/12/2007, -3/+3So um how can you do this with the 4 cd set of Vista? They mention just copying the entire DVD to the thumb drive but with the cd set there are 3 cd's which have identical folders so......any way to do this off the cd set?
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