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- inactive, on 10/12/2007, -12/+43Have you ever used Vista to download your fav tv shows, music, or even rip a dvd? and seen that it works just like XP
no - Xiata, on 10/12/2007, -3/+28Damn it's so hard to not play protected content.
***** what am I going to do with all these mp3s, avis, mpgs, ogm,...
Don't buy drm, don't deal with drm :) - RedLion, on 10/12/2007, -10/+32PATSCRU: can you watch the DRMed media legally on other OSes without having to incurr in those limitations? No.
Is it Microsoft's fault? No, it's EMI and other majors' fault that want DRM at all costs and won't give MS or Apple the media without DRM in it. See http://www.digg.com/tech_news/EMI_to_Apple_Microsoft_ditching_DRM_is_going_to_cost_you_2
Vista doesn't prevent you from playing non-DRMed media and doesn't apply any restriction to non-DRMed media as some people would like to make us think. It simply lets you to legally play DRM-ed media (with restrictions, but at least you can play it). - MackPrime, on 10/12/2007, -25/+43i dugg this cos it's about time we had an article showing the other points of view on DRM.
Personally? I don't want any DRM'd media, but if i HAD to use it, i'd be glad to have the option. - Dalrek, on 10/12/2007, -6/+21@EuphopiaB
You mean $120 right? You can get Home Premium for OEM for $120 on Newegg. - Blisshead, on 10/12/2007, -4/+17You are not correct.
- mindlessxd, on 10/12/2007, -10/+22"There is always people that will hate DRM, we will just have to live with it." -- gatesisgangsta
No we don't. REVOLT! - erestar, on 10/12/2007, -7/+18Uh, this article didn't show any other points of view on DRM. In fact, he explicitly said both at the start and at the end of the post that he was not taking a stance on DRM.
The topic of the post was that he wanted to talk about how Windows doesn't restrict you from playing non-DRM material. He did, however, manage to state how Linux does NOT allow you to play DRM and that anyone who plays ANY DVDs is infringing on play-back licenses.
Kinda fitting that the OPer that dugg the story couldn't stay on topic just like the author :) - Scruffydan, on 10/12/2007, -1/+12"As far as I can tell the Vista license agreement says that you don't actually own Vista"
pretty much all (non-open) software has been like that for a while. It sucks, but it not an MS problem, its an industry problem - wafflez, on 10/12/2007, -17/+27i'm with gafa on this one...i've been running vista and people keep badmouthing Vista DRM whilst i haven't encountered it once.
- redxii, on 10/12/2007, -5/+14You actually have it backwards. I remember a user saying that the "Zune has a ton of DRM". Zune and iPod both have DRM formats, so I never really quite understood what he meant. OS X includes (or must include) CSS support otherwise you wouldn't be able to play DVDs.
An article with DRM and Apple, everyone goes "Eh....DRM isn't so bad."
An article with DRM and Microsoft, everyone goes "DRM sucks! ***** greedy M$" - asurroca, on 10/12/2007, -3/+12Vista has DRM? Where? I've been using it with all my no-no media for ages, and I've never encountered any issues. The only file I had any trouble with was one of those (obviously DRM'ed) HD demo videos that comes with Media Center--the DRM didn't let me stream it on my Xbox 360... Copied DVDs, etc., though, play just fine.
- dgr814vr, on 10/12/2007, -1/+9I hate to sound like a stuck record but
Prove your Point...
We have multiple Vista users here saying that they are not having problems, Consider just consider... Maybe its not Fanaticism, Maybe its the truth - koreth, on 10/12/2007, -3/+11@ngsayjoe
And when your copyright expires -- after your death, since that's how the terms work -- how will you release a non-DRM version of your work, since it's in the public domain at that point? Will your publisher bother to do it? Will your publisher even still exist? Will any non-DRM copies of the work still exist? If not, who will outspend the publishers to get the laws against cracking DRM repealed? Librarians aren't exactly a political force to be reckoned with.
THAT is the problem with DRM. It takes the concept of limited-term copyright and effectively does away with the "limited-term" part. And that is why I don't want any DRM on my music. It is not because I am a filthy music pirate who never buys CDs, it is because I believe the public domain is of value to society and I don't want to see it undermined and destroyed for the sake of (arguably nonexistent) very-short-term gain. - Kles, on 10/12/2007, -7/+15Good. Glad we finally see pure facts beyond the fanboyism and insane bashing.
- fuzzmeister, on 10/12/2007, -5/+13@ngsayjoe
Thats a very good point, but the problem is that often artists couldn't give a ***** whether their music is DRM'd or not, it's the labels making the call. Some artists even actively say they do not want DRM on their music, but the labels would never allow such "rebellious" activity. - r3drum, on 10/12/2007, -4/+12New NVIDIA news:
"NVIDIA Features No Longer Supported
These are features that can no longer be supported under the Windows Vista operating system, or have migrated to other NVIDIA utilities.
Full screen video mirror.
This feature is no longer supported due to the new Protected Video Path Output Content Protection (PVP-OPM) in Windows Vista."
hmm.. fine, DRM might not prevent anything, but how bout the above? - MrFlesh, on 10/12/2007, -7/+15This is rich
"It allows you to play DRMed media when you have to."
But you never HAVE TO
It's like living in the desert and buying a bag of sand in case you need it. - EXreaction, on 10/12/2007, -1/+9Thats a week more than everyone who bashes Vista and says it is full of DRM.
- RedLion, on 10/12/2007, -10/+17tjex: i'm just a MS enthusiast (yes, they exist just like Apple enthustiast exist, don't be scared!) but it's funny to see that when people like you have no arguments they have to do rely on personal attacks on the submitter.
- Kwipper, on 10/12/2007, -4/+11Uhh dude. You missed the point of the article. It wasn't about being for or against DRM. It was about how DRM will NOT hinder the playback of Non-DRM content. Infact it was about how DRM would NOT hinder anything in Windows Vista.
If you don't use DRM encoded video and music files, you have NOTHING to worry about in Windows Vista.
I am just glad that this article cleared this up. Now if only people would just learn to read it. - justnick, on 10/12/2007, -1/+8I've been using vista for a month and use it with a lot of media. No DRM restrictions on my stuff. Works fine. Even the um...not so legal stuff works great.
- fuzzmeister, on 10/12/2007, -2/+9Not seeing the sand analogy...
- Dalrek, on 10/12/2007, -3/+9You must be doing something wrong because I'm running Vista (Business, if it matters) and I just finished watching Ferris Bueller's Day Off, a legit copy, through my comp. All I had to do was go download the right codecs since Business edition doesn't come with the right codecs to play DVDs stock.
- RedLion, on 10/12/2007, -1/+7lagrange: no, this is not entirely accurate because only the kernel-mode drivers require to be signed (and kernel mode drivers are used by rootkits this is why MS made the signature mandatory) and only on vista x64.
You can develop drivers for most hardware (modems, videocards, soundcards, etc) in user-mode and you aren't forced to get them signed in order to get them working. - ngsayjoe, on 10/12/2007, -6/+12>>> On the other hand if we look at something that refuses to implement DRM such as Linux ...
hmmm, a rebel? - Blisshead, on 10/12/2007, -5/+11or-
"Damn it's so hard to not play protected content.
***** what am I going to do with all these mp3s, avis, mpgs, ogm,...
Don't buy drm, don't deal with drm :) "-Xiata
back to this common sense approach maybe? - Kwipper, on 10/12/2007, -2/+8Exactly! You can play MP3 and non-DRM content just fine in Windows Vista. You don't need to use DRM encrypted content!
- salmonmoose, on 10/12/2007, -3/+8Why? what's wrong with your PC? It lets me play DVD over video out with no problems. From WMC, WMP, and, MPC.
- inactive, on 10/12/2007, -30/+35I dugg it for being about time we start hearing the truth about Vista and not just anti-MS fud.
- sabotank, on 10/12/2007, -4/+9now if we can just have digg check our os before we comment so we won't get the crappy fanboy comments that are off topic
- dgr814vr, on 10/12/2007, -1/+6Funny since almost evrything you mentioned seems to work on my Notebook running vista anyway,
/sarcasm
maybe its just me
/sarcasm
But isnt it strange that when i update and upgrade programs in Linux FC6 and OpenSuse, the system may break,
It happens with every new OS old programs dont work as well... get over it - MonocularJack, on 10/12/2007, -2/+7Your comment would mean something if you had a link to something showing all of the following:
a) that there is a 30ms polling happening at any other time than during media content that has the ICT flag set,
b) that your system performance is at all degraded,
c) that if it *is* degraded then the actual hard facts of the degradation (OS operations slowing down from 60ms to 65ms = no big deal while going from 60ms to say a minute might make a difference),
d) real, reproducible tests from a source that has actually tested on Vista.
Without hard data this is just a slap fight in the playground. - ewhac, on 10/12/2007, -17/+23> the ACSS standard prevents hd-dvd/blu-ray to play on non-HDMI+HDCP
> monitors, it's not MS fault.
It *IS* Microsoft's fault, because they implemented it.
Once the HD video data has been decoded, there is nothing that "forces" software to authenticate the display panel, or to downgrade the video image to worse-than-SD resolution, or any other such childish nonsense. In order for those defects to be present, someone *had to write them*. The AACS standard may mandate that these things be done but, as we all know, Microsoft has been known to ignore industry standards if they thought it might bring them the remotest advantage to do so.
Microsoft didn't say, "We can do better than this." They didn't say, "This makes our software more complicated and less reliable, and is going to be a support nightmare." They didn't say, "This is unethical and an affront to our users." They didn't say, "This sucks ass and we're not gonna do it."
Instead, they said, "Okay." Without putting up any kind of fight at all. For that reason, Microsoft is as culpable as the movie and music studios for foisting this on to the public. - r3nd3rman, on 10/12/2007, -4/+9also digging this because i hate fanboys.
Mac's are like the Canucks... they start playing ok and everyone jumps on the bandwagon. - RedLion, on 10/12/2007, -3/+7"1) Do I personally need DRM? or is it for someone else's benefit?"
unfortunately it's only for the content providers' benefit. but that's the only way those content providers will let you access that content. If you don't like the restrictions simply don't buy the content, I don't see what's wrong with MS adding support for DRMed content playback, the choice was between "content not legally playable" and "content legally playable with restrictions".
"2) DRM adds addition code to crucial data paths of the OS. Do you think malware authors will exploit DRM to access these paths?"
you could say this of any new feature in any new os, don't be so paranoid
"3) Do you mind giving control of your machine to someone else? Do you mind someone shutting down your machine because they think that you are running a unlicensed copy with no warning? With no recourse?"
they can't shut down their machine, the maximum that could happen is windows switching to trial mode
"4) Do you mind paying a premium on every piece of display hardware you have, only to protect someone else's rights?"
that is not OS-dependant, you'll pay the premium for DRM support independently if you'll use your new display hardware on linux/mac/windows. - salmonmoose, on 10/12/2007, -8/+12I'm against DRM. However, I rather have an OS that plays DRM laden stuff, than one that doesn't.
- dgr814vr, on 10/12/2007, -1/+5Eric,
Yeah there might be something wrong with your settings, I'm outputting a lot of video out onto my TV DVD and movies, no problems - inactive, on 10/12/2007, -4/+8footballdude,
You forgot Google and Digg. They are both examples of how microsoft illegally extended its monopoly into other areas.
Oh wait..
nfm - ngsayjoe, on 10/12/2007, -10/+14>>> There is always people that will hate DRM
But there are so many people that hate MS until they refuse to see the truth and reality sometimes. Linux fanboys should start to respect one's copyrights. If I create and own a piece of music, then it's up to me to DRM it or whatever, let them decide. Just the same if I write a piece of software, it's my right to open-source it or not. - yournamehere, on 10/12/2007, -2/+6dont digg me down. that no talent ass clown was arguing with me about this very thing.
- RedLion, on 10/12/2007, -2/+6Ratteler: and you're an anti-MS troll, just read your comments in any MS-related article :)
- justnick, on 10/12/2007, -1/+4what is video mirror?
- ngsayjoe, on 10/12/2007, -3/+6>>> It's how it adversely affects system performance, having to poll your system every 30ms to determine if you're doing something the media mafia deem "illegal", the high CPU and memory requirements, and the nasty intrusive bi-weekly activation checks.
you should go learn more about how omputers work before making your FUD claim. First, you need no pull data every 30ms to check whether it's DRM or not, you can do this every 2 seconds or so, hence it's nothing for present day CPU. Ok, how could this affect your memory requirements? Your anti-virus software takes more CPU time than this kind of function. - justnick, on 10/12/2007, -1/+4The M3 arrived two weeks later configured with a Pentium M 770 (2.13 Ghz), 1 GB of DDR2 memory (more on that later), 14" SXGA+ screen, an NVIDIA GeForce Go 6600 Turbo Edition graphics card with 128 MB, a 60 GB 5400 RPM hard drive, a DVD/CD-RW combo optical drive, and an Intel 2915 802.11 a/b/g wireless chip. All Tecra M3's come standard with the same array of ports, which include two USB 2.0 ports, a parallel port, Ethernet LAN port, S-Video out port, and a FireWire (IEEE 1394) port. --http://www.notebookreview.com/default.asp?newsID=2251
What drm hardware? Seems standard. You're computer is messed up or you are lying. I think it is the latter(ladder?) since you said Vista says it won't play it because of restrictions. - MonocularJack, on 10/12/2007, -1/+4Good points but if Apple could *really* influence the music industry then they'd be able to shrug off the DRM that Steve Jobs supposedly hates. After all he does basically own Disney so he could lead the way by dropping all DRM from all Disney media.
I think Apple is at a stale mate at best with the music industry and that is only because they were there first. Microsoft has to play catch-up in the digital distribution arena and the RIAA and MPAA know it. If Apple had led a better example by never accepting DRM in the first place then Microsoft wouldn't have to get on their knees to the media industry. - tjex, on 10/12/2007, -5/+8RedLion: Just mentioning that each article you submitted is a pro MS article. It's like the boy crying wolf, it loses its credibility after a while. Fanboys in general are annoying.
- TokenUser, on 10/12/2007, -8/+11A monopoly? Hmmm....
Are they the only company to make an operating system? Nope ... Apple do it, IBM have been doing it longer than anyone, hell even a Finnish CS student wrote his own many years ago.
Are they the only company with a Office suite? Nope ... Apple make one that only Apple fanbois use, those hippie opensource guys have one too.
Could it be game consoles? Nope (but I do love my chipped Xbox). Hardware? Nope (though my wife loves her natural keyboard). Music Players? Nope (crap, I have an iPod). SmartPhones? Nope (damn, I use a Blackberry)
Where is this Monopoly you are talking about?? - imjustsayin, on 10/12/2007, -0/+3It amazes me that people still are harping on this DRM thing. Every device that is capable of playing the new HD disc formats supports the same DRM as Vista. That will include the Mac assuming they can/will be able to play them (not sure if they can or not right now).
If Vista did not support the DRM, you would not be able to play the DRM content. At least you have the option to play the media at full res if you have the hardware that supports it. Seems to me that beats not being able to play it regardless of your hardware. That is the choice. If you want to attack Vista, you have to attack both HD movie format in general. They made the rules. MS is just following them in this case. If this DRM thing is really that big of a deal to you, don't buy HD-DVD or Bluray, and you will never have a problem. - tjex, on 10/12/2007, -15/+18The submitter must be working for MS, take a look at all the other stories he submitted
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