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- karolisonline, on 04/25/2008, -6/+15why it is OK for google to collect all personal data and not OK for Microsoft? i don't see how one is more evil than another. logically microsoft is even more independent, because they earn most of the money from the market they have monopoly on - software and business solutions. google earns most of it's money (more than 95%) from advertisements and advertisements means that if You wont obey customers opinion they will go to another advertising company. this means if some very big corporation that let's say pays 200-300 millions from that total 4 billion/year, that company can say we need information You have about internet users that is related to our product and google will have to give them that information, otherwise they will loose big customer and another... and they will be left without money. and microsoft in such situation can say no, because they are less dependent from such type of profit. corporation can't say we won't buy your software, because migration would take lot of money... and we have real examples: why microsoft is punished by EU and USA governments like no other IT company? and what does google when China asks to remove some content, that is bad for ruling party of China - google kindly removes that content...
- Topher06, on 04/25/2008, -1/+5If you don't like Microsoft's "openness", build your own f*cking mesh. Stop bitching about nothing.
- keozen, on 04/25/2008, -7/+11Microsoft does something that keeps them in control.
In other Breaking News: The Sky is UP! Water is Wet! & Sex makes Babies! - pyrates, on 04/25/2008, -0/+4For those questioning that this might not work when comparing it to dotMac because the hardware is diverse across PC's, if the hardware works and the drivers work, this will work just fine. In terms of cell phone and pda support, all they can do is add one device at a time. But I think this can work.
- mwalker05, on 04/25/2008, -0/+4...or it uses protocols and commands that windows platforms have and mac platforms dont? stop being an MS hater trying to act like you know something about computer programs and go back to the coffee shop with your macbook air.
- inactive, on 04/25/2008, -2/+6I am not a tech guy, but I've had a lot of experience dealing with tech guys as a member of "Operations".
It seems to me that the Web is trying to go "free" as much as possible, but that the resistance is huge.
That seems to be the conversation I hear from people smarter about communications than I. - burrgrinder, on 04/25/2008, -0/+4.Mac is just an IMAP mail service and a fancy interface to WebDAV. The "integration" comes from the fact that they control how the host and the clients interoperate and they only have to work with a single OS.
I'm sure you could probably build an interface for Apple's service on any other platform. I've seen an example of someone building an unofficial .Mac host to avoid paying for the service, there's no reason you couldn't build an unofficial client. Apple may not appreciate it though.
Anyways, if you just want to host files and access them from anywhere, look into setting up a WebDAV server at home. Almost every browser supports connecting and downloading from the server, and Linux and Mac easily connect to the server and can mount it as a filesystem. I'm positive there is a Windows client out there too. - Jorg, on 04/25/2008, -0/+3You don't know what the hell you are talking about.
1. Even with cross platform software there is seperation between the branches and that means that the branch where the developers spend most of their time will always be at least a little ahead of the other branches.
2. "Google stuff" is a lousy example. The only thing they produce that is _ususally_ _almost_ exactly the same accross platforms is the stuff that runs in the browser. They have many programs that are "Windows Only".
Pull your head out of your ass. - forgiste, on 04/25/2008, -1/+4I believe the web will save the world, personally. It's not long until even currency is replaced by an online currency that holds value, as opposed to the dollar. Of course, I'm just speculating here. However, none of this has anything to do with this digg post...
- nirav72, on 04/25/2008, -1/+4Ahh..most of the apps you listed work fine on firefox. Maybe asthetically speaking , it might not look the same. But they do work. My employer has outlook web access. I've been able to use it without any issues on IE and Firefox. Same goes for Office sharepoint. Can't speak for Hotmail , as I do not use it.
- crashlander, on 04/25/2008, -1/+3It's using RSS feeds as it's primary communication protocol. How much more open does it need to be! Name a web-development tool that can't speak RSS!
- laserblazer, on 04/25/2008, -3/+5Microsoft has saved humanity from a life of internalizing the shame of being a Mac fanboy.
- VinceA, on 04/25/2008, -4/+6It's because Google has supposedly espoused the philosophy of "Do no evil" and some people have bought into it. Rule of thumb... if you have to make note of the fact that you're not doing anything evil... you are.
- quamis, on 04/25/2008, -1/+3vim. And xml is used for any kind of communication theese days, because its platform independent, and very flexible..this is why it was conceived in the first place:)
- Yazilliclick, on 04/25/2008, -3/+5Agreed. There's no article here at all, there's no information there's nothing other than an attempt to get quotes of people bashing MS about a future product they don't as of yet know practically anything about.
- w4rh34rt, on 04/25/2008, -0/+2Lol, ARGH THE BIG SCARY MICROSOFT. Here's a new one, if you don't like them. Don't use it. There! Wasn't that easy =]
- quikboy, on 04/25/2008, -0/+2When MS has access to people's data, it's considered unsecure and can be used to harm users. When Google has access to people's data, it's considered OK and is fine to let advertisers have access too (even if there's a site like this that explains how Google can do much more : http://masterplanthemovie.com/ )
When MS tries to integrate platforms, including their own, for a better experience, it's considered being a monopoly. When Apple tries to integrate platforms, especially their own, for a better experience, it's innovative and great. (even though Apple makes ties most of their products into one big messy knot).
I guess even if MS is changing for the better, there will always be haters citing these, despite the fact that the other beloved companies do exactly the same thing. - quikboy, on 04/25/2008, -0/+2So does Apple. ;^)
- quikboy, on 04/25/2008, -1/+3Live Mesh IS free. Couldn't help but note that. Just to be fair.
- rossfly, on 04/26/2008, -1/+3quikboy is right. It still IS free. The service itself is free. Practically everybody either has Windows or OS X. If you chose to use Linux, you chose to go away from all the compatibility they offer.
- sk11, on 04/25/2008, -1/+2People who care about more than what the Paris Hilton's of this world are up to.
- JohnFlux, on 04/25/2008, -6/+7Why am I being buried?
The anti-trust movie was all about MIcrosoft writing software that allowed all devices and sync together in a seamless way. - mrsteveman1, on 04/25/2008, -0/+1I'll give you 3 lolcats for that sammich
It's a good deal, srsly - mrsteveman1, on 04/25/2008, -0/+1no man, water makes babies and sex is wet...***** the sky
- mrsteveman1, on 04/25/2008, -0/+1There is a bit more to .mac than webdav and imap but thats what most people want it for, MAYBE the caldav stuff.
You can do all that stuff with your own server or with shared hosting for 10$ a month, VERY easily. I have used all three major OS to connect to webdav servers on shared hosting, it works well. - mrsteveman1, on 04/25/2008, -1/+2There are no super secret protocols Windows supports that OS X doesn't. If thats the case it isn't open at all, AND i would add, there are protocols in place already, in common use for this stuff, that could have been used. If they chose to invent new ones to prop up windows.....
- mrsteveman1, on 04/25/2008, -2/+3What microsoft does best is find new ways to tie things to windows.
- juliereader, on 02/10/2009, -0/+0hahah there open-ness is sop close :P
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http://www.linkbuilderz.com/link_building_services ... - mossblaser, on 04/25/2008, -4/+4Because google's open standards are actually "open". Thier apps run on all OSes, not just "PC and Mac". Without support for an open source OS its not really that open...
- Bicep, on 04/25/2008, -4/+4They make all these claims that their stuff will be accessible by other operating systems but it's NOT!!!
Examples: Outlook Web Access, sharepoint, office-live, hotmail-full version, the list goes on.
Here's a clue... Starting making everything work the same on FIREFOX as it does on IE
I'm not buying their openness claim.. BS, that's what I say - sk11, on 04/26/2008, -1/+1Both of you are wrong. These services are only "free" if you keep paying for windows's upgrade cycles. I choose not to BUY a brand new computer, together with BUYING a xp/vista license just to remain compatible with ms software. There's nothing "free" about having to PURCHASE more hardware and software just to remain compatible. It's like saying xbox live can be free, but as long as you bought a xbox and compatible game. Eventually support for xp will end and people will be forced to make further unnecessary PURCHASES. Notice all the mentions of purchases which I've gone to the trouble of highlighting, well purchases means not free!!
Read this very carefully: software is NOT OPEN if it's incompatible with other operating systems! That's a definition. It's why people oppose this, because it's a monopolistic practise! You evidently don't understand what free and open mean in the context of software.
It's like saying you have freedom of speech, as long as you don't say certain things. Well, that's not freedom of speech, is it? - mydave, on 08/12/2008, -0/+0no surprise here. bravo MS developers!
http://www.wmpowered.com
http://www.robobusiness2006.com - burrgrinder, on 04/25/2008, -2/+1Doubtful.
- thinman1189, on 04/25/2008, -8/+7Is anybody really surprised?
- ilgaz, on 04/26/2008, -2/+1Devices? Where is Symbian support, J2ME support, Linux support? They don't even put OS X.
One day MS will have to pay about these jokes. Open?! - nixfu, on 04/25/2008, -6/+5Here is all you need to know from the article:
"The fact that Live Mesh is not available on Mac at launch "
They showed a windows only version...they say Mac version is "COMING SOON"
Think about it...IF IT REQUIRES A SPECIAL VERSION TO BE "COMING SOON", then get a clue, it was not build 'open' or using 'open standards' to begin with. It if was built using open standards like Google stuff, then it would work without modification or having 'a version' with Mac, Linux, Unix, WIndows etc.
DUH!?
You people are stupid if you think Microsoft will ever DO ANYTHING BUT product their Windows monopoly at every chance they get. - Bicep, on 04/26/2008, -2/+1Wow -2 diggs. I guess when you sling crap in someone's eyes, they can't see what's really going on. This is the case with these Windows Evangelist types. I mean c'mon, you're paying Microsoft to take away choice from you. Oh, or perhaps maybe the are paying you, like they did to the "all of a sudden" ISO members that blindly voted OOXML into being an ISO standard. What a farce. Some people's kids, I'll tell ya.
- inactive, on 04/25/2008, -6/+5Sorry, but Microsoft is a convicted monopolist. This is why it's not okay for them to do it.
- BrianCrosbie, on 04/25/2008, -10/+9Zzzzzzzzzzz
- PlancksCnst, on 04/25/2008, -3/+2Does this mean I can finally get my Hotmail via a normal e-mail client without using a screen scraping extention?
- darthjure, on 04/25/2008, -6/+4There goes Microsoft again, trying to make a profit. Trying to be a market leader. No business should ever try to do that!
- sk11, on 04/25/2008, -4/+2When MS screws you, they also charge you a lot of money for the "experience."
If, when, google screws you, at least it shouldn't cost you any money. - sk11, on 04/26/2008, -3/+1It'll be "free" for someone who's PURCHASED a windows license. MS "plan" to make it "free" for mac users later on. MS have NO plans to make it "free" for linux users.
- radzack, on 12/02/2008, -6/+3Eh, who cares?
- Dre_the_Geek, on 04/25/2008, -4/+1I wouldn't mind a simple and easy to use solution, in the vain of .Mac, that works independent of OS myself. I regularly use Mac 10.5, Windows XP Pro and various Linux kernels and would love to use something besides e-mails and the sneaker-net to get files from one system to another easily.
- Bicep, on 04/25/2008, -4/+1Ok, couple of things.
1st: OWA on EXCHANGE 2007(SP1) actually FORCES firefox into "Light Mode", which prevents access to the public folders on the server. Public folders actually still work with Exchange 2003 and Firefox. So on that one my point is that a spanky new product like Exchange 2007 is actually LESS Interoperable than the previous version because it FORCES Firefox into "OWA LIGHT" mode. If you still don't want to believe me, I can arrange to provide screen shots. I've also notified Sam Ramji and Nino Bilic at Microsoft about these problems and they tell me "They're working on it" - and this was months ago already.
2nd: Firefox on Windows is different than Firefox on Linux. I have tested this because I use and administer our company Sharepoint server using Firefox (On My computer running Ubuntu Linux 7.10 on a macbook), I have to login, then when I add items to a sharepoint Calendar, it shows me the HTML of what's in the Calendar, as opposed to regular text. Office-live is NOT like google docs because it is NOT available for firefox users, hotmail works but not in "FULL" version mode.
Believe me on this, Microsoft Interoperability with non IE/Windows systems sucks. I work as a Network Administrator and IT Support Specialist and I've had to Integrate SLED 10, Red Hat Linux, MAC OSX, and Ubuntu into a mostly Windows server environment. Interoperability is BROKEN. This is something you would EXPECT to be fixed with the latest iterations of Microsoft's server products, but IT'S NOT!!
Still don't believe me? Boot to the Ubuntu Linux LiveCD and test it for yourself:
Download Ubuntu Linux .iso and burn to disk (use deepburner.com) here:
http://tinyurl.com/2cm3o5
Ubuntu now has the option to install inside a folder in Windows, which will then give the option to reboot into Ubuntu (via the boot.ini). Ubuntu also shows up as a program in add/remove programs. Awesome way to surf the Internet safely. I recommend you have all your "unsafe" web surfers use this method. The newest release will automatically detect and install the plugins you need for most web content. Yay LINUX!!!
Also checkout distrowatch.com and livecdlist.com for more information about different Linux versions.
Also checkout my blogspot to see what other stuff I've found to not work with Linux:
http://tinyurl.com/yr98jp - JohnFlux, on 04/25/2008, -9/+6>The company's new service, that will synch all of a user's devices and applications to produce a seamless framework, was unveiled at Web 2.0.
Wasn't this in the movie 'Anti-trust'?
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