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- ctomer, on 10/10/2007, -8/+63I seriously doubt that they can release 7.0 within the next 2 years.
Win 95 was 4.0 (released in 95), Win 98 was 4.1 (released in 98) and Me was 4.9 (released in 2000). Windows 2000 (version 5.0) was released 5 years after version 4.0. Windows XP was an incremental improvement on 2000 and was version 5.1 and was released in 2001. Vista was (version 6.0) took 5 years to develop after XP. So from 4.0 to 5.0 took 5 years and 5.0 to 6.0 took 5 years also.
If MS is to release a true version 7.0, meaning not just an incremental improvement on Vista, but a major one, then it's going to take 5 years. If it intends on rebadging 6.1 as 7.0, then, yeah, they could have that out within 2 years. - OBKenobi, on 10/10/2007, -18/+52I'm going to say this right now, if Windows really does go the subscription route, you can say goodbye to Microsoft.
So here's hoping the greedy fools go for it. - DrIce926, on 10/10/2007, -6/+38I expect many of my neighbor's copies of Windows to remain free, as well as the updates. Aarrrr!
- fuzzynyanko, on 10/10/2007, -2/+25I'm surprised that Microsoft doesn't use the opportunity to just go 64-bit.
- OBKenobi, on 10/10/2007, -2/+16@ctomer
You forgot NT.
Windows 7 has already been in development for years. Microsoft has mentioned it off and on many times already. It is only now that they have finally set a release date. - nmapper, on 10/10/2007, -0/+11It has been said that Vista is the last 32bit offering in the Microsoft desktop area. If this is true or not we shall see.
also FYI they already do offer 64bit flavors of each. - javaroast, on 10/10/2007, -1/+11Forgetting NT is a pretty major flaw in an otherwise valid analysis. XP, 2000, Vista and any future OS: will trace it's lineage from the NT family not from 95, 98 and ME.
- Jambi, on 10/10/2007, -8/+18If Windows ME, Vista and tons of malfunctioning Xboxes haven't soured the public on Microsoft, what makes you think this is gonna do it? Look at all the crap people put up with from TV and mobile phone providers. This'll be no different.
- cquinnd, on 10/10/2007, -1/+10Unless the architechural changes they implemented give them an advantage in speeding up software development over the older models applied for Windows XP and previous versions.
- tnoy, on 10/10/2007, -2/+10You're making the assumption that they did not even start working on it until the finished Vista. Microsoft is large enough to have a few different development teams working in parallel.
Vista feels like something they pretty much threw together because "7" was taking far too long. I'm not saying Vista is bad, I'm using it and love it, but I had expected more. - PueSi, on 10/10/2007, -0/+8Yeah Windows XP 64-bit edition was beautiful, it seemed more stable and faste. The only problem is the drivers.
- Dumbledorito, on 10/10/2007, -8/+15Speaking as someone running Vista, what, if I may ask, has been your personal experience with the OS that makes it so abhorrent?
- gadgetlust, on 10/10/2007, -4/+11I'm all for software subscriptions. The ensuing revolt will lead to widespread adoption of open source software, which will be better supported as a result.
- convergent, on 10/10/2007, -7/+13This article isn't about linux, so stop talking about it.
- Dumbledorito, on 10/10/2007, -1/+7"I'm not going to pay more money than I currently pay to be monopolized on my OS, so I'm going to pay even MORE money to be monopolized on my OS AND my hardware."
Is that right? - Jugalator, on 10/10/2007, -0/+5"You're making the assumption that they did not even start working on it until the finished Vista."
The same can be said about Windows 2000 and Windows Vista though. I think it's rare for Microsoft to *not* have overlapping schedules, and then including that, they took 5 years to finish. Certain components of Vista had been talked of even as XP was getting out (such as WinFS), and Win2K was developed concurrently with Me, and perhaps even 98. - Dumbledorito, on 10/10/2007, -5/+10The UI? It's practically the same as XP with a few bells and whistles if you want to use them (i.e. the "Switch between Windows" thing). Which driver problems are you expeirencing? I only had trouble with an old SCSI card that even Adaptec didn't support anymore, and Outlook 2000, which is over 7 years old. What are you running that's giving you such headaches? I've had no trouble with word processors, Photoshop, Freehand, etc.
I am genuinely curious, because just about all the moaning I heard pre-Vista has turned out to be FUD. It's not going to give you a blowjob when you run it, but it's at least as good as XP so far, and might be better for all I know. - mahler, on 10/10/2007, -0/+4If the next version is based on the same architecture, I wouldn't call it 7.0 ..... but more like 6.5 or something.
- RyanWilliams, on 10/10/2007, -0/+3May I ask what more you were expecting, specifically?
Don't get me wrong, I'm not saying Vista is the end-all of operating systems, but I can't help but feel Windows is hitting headphone syndrome where the product is so mature that there's not really that much more you *can* do to push it forward other than refine what's already there, with the job of advancement and user experience being more down to the music they play. Or the software the OS uses.
I mean, really, what exactly was everyone expecting from Vista, or an OS in general for that matter?
Even OS X, which is widely considered a superb user experience, is having difficulty really pushing forward and making people go "wow" now that it's become so mature. Sure, the Leopard advances are nice, but not exactly anything special (even Vista basically has Time Machine). Vista has an equal amount of niceties, but evidently not enough to appease people.
Perhaps this comment's the wrong place for this. There ought to be a serious effort established to work out what it is that users *are* missing in Vista that MS can see. - Prod_Deity, on 10/10/2007, -0/+3it might be cheaper than what you have to pay now?
You're kidding, right?
The price of their software can only increase to keep shareholders happy. You're not gonna get fire sale bargains on a subscription-based service. - eclectro, on 10/10/2007, -0/+3Especially if it requires the purchase of new computers, or the computer comes with a subscription that "dies" after six months. That would be like Microsoft falling on their own sword.
- hackmyballs, on 10/10/2007, -1/+4Ballmer, Ballmer, Ballmer...
Seven years as CEO doing nothing worth of your position, and worst of all, no accountability.
At least I hope you go down in books as the worst CEO in modern history. - EXreaction, on 10/10/2007, -0/+3Those releases from Apple are hardly much cheaper. You could get XP for about $100, and you can get Vista Home Premium for about $100. Not much cheaper, but way more frequent.
- Dumbledorito, on 10/10/2007, -0/+3IT'S COMING, IT'S COMING, OKAY? THERE WERE A FEW BUGS IN IT, OKAY?!
- Tom Servo - init100, on 10/10/2007, -0/+2That's correct. The versions are essentially timed to occur some time after a corresponding release of a new version of Gnome. The releases are much more gradual than Windows releases, but that's good, because the early adopters can run the bleeding edge latest releases of everything, while everybody else upgrade at their leisure.
While I'm not running Ubuntu, but Fedora (which has a similar release schedule), my approach is this: My home desktop gets every new release, while my work laptop gets every third release or so. Spending my employers time on upgrading to every new release of Fedora on my laptop wouldn't seem like the right thing to do, even if I wouldn't get fired for it, as we have quite some leniency on what we can do. - jimiyash, on 10/10/2007, -0/+2they wouldn't go to 64 bit, because they'll have less versions they could charge you and confuse you with.
- mudfly, on 10/10/2007, -0/+2I didn't expect The Spanish Inquisition...
- sammykeyes, on 10/10/2007, -0/+2Exactly what's wrong with Vista? The only thing for me is compatibility with other vendors, which is hardly Microsoft's fault.
So it's really the companies who make your other peripherals who has to fix their drivers and stuff with Vista, not Microsoft. - init100, on 10/10/2007, -0/+1It is their wet dream though, getting money without lifting a finger. So their judgement could be a little clouded.
- init100, on 10/10/2007, -0/+1Exactly. Just like a more effective WGA. If piracy of Windows would become impossible, I have a hard time believing that everyone now running it would actually go and buy it.
- init100, on 10/10/2007, -0/+1Maybe here:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/System_7 - init100, on 10/10/2007, -0/+1The ones that need to get their act together are the game developers. It is hardly the Linux community's fault that game developers only develop for Windows.
- init100, on 10/10/2007, -0/+1"if that's what they really wanted, they should have started writing code back in 2000."
How do you know they didn't? - init100, on 10/10/2007, -0/+1The reason is that with Windows 7, they can sell another copy to the same customers, while service packs and patches are usually free. That means more money in the coffers.
- init100, on 10/10/2007, -0/+1The reason they put up with Windows is because they don't pay for it (directly). They either pirate it or have it included on their computer. Having to open your wallet for Microsoft even between computer purchases is another matter entirely.
- init100, on 10/10/2007, -0/+1If Windows is turned into a subscription service, it would certainly stop working if they payment stopped. Otherwise everyone would do exactly what the GP says, pay for one month and then quit.
This was actually in a patent application some time ago, where they mentioned that the computer would only do one thing if the subscription hadn't been payed for, and that is to open IE with their online marketplace so that the user could renew their Windows subscription. Everything else would be disabled. - Feej, on 10/10/2007, -0/+1Well there's another new a witty comment.
/sarcasm - prthealien, on 10/10/2007, -0/+1Windows 7 will not be subscription based. They will be offering certain subscription services currently unavailable on Windows or Microsoft web services. Windows 7 will not be a huge architectural change like Vista was, so it won't take 4-5 years to develop.
- SniperSlap, on 10/10/2007, -0/+1I still don't understand how the major points about Vista still go unnoticed. Who cares if it was late? Okay, it was funny as hell to watch Microsoft basically convert their hardcore users to Linux overnight and further solidify their dominion over know-nothing money minded snobs.
But...
Is it just me or do people not realize that Vista still is a pig and takes vastly more resources to accomplish some of the simplest most braindead things that even PRIOR VERSIONS OF WINDOWS were doing for way less?!
During every conversation I have to remind people that Vista is a rotten thing to do to your computer. I realize moving forward complexity can only gain, but I don't understand the recursive need to add complexity to already solved problems.
Not to mention the ridiculous concept of having multiple SKUs for one bloody OS. What the hell is an OS at that point? I don't understand what that makes it. How do the basic functions of an operating system become stratified?
The only explanation is that there is a huge proliferation of stupid consumers who have hit the market and we can't do anything to control how they cater to lazy & greedy businesses.
Subscription software? F*ck yourself. - ronaldb, on 10/10/2007, -1/+2You mean Windows is copying the Mac, and now even copying the names Apple used...?
- sickswaystop, on 10/10/2007, -0/+1microsoft has been hinting for a long time about bringing 3D imaging to the web and OS. I bet they release some "online desktop" only available in IE8 or w/e and 3D everywhere rather than our 2-D web now. think touch-screen. its almost hard to imagine but seriously thats where we're headed.
- grumpyrain, on 10/10/2007, -0/+1Are they really retaining 32 bit or just emulating it for compatibility through wow64?
The 3GB limit right now is fine for most people, but I can see real problems for an OS with (most likely somewhere in the vicinity of) 2GB but a maximum supported RAM of 3GB. - Freeper, on 10/10/2007, -0/+1Maybe Microsoft is hinting that there will be 7 different versions... Windows Version 7 Edition 7... the ugly as sin edition.
- indiehead, on 10/10/2007, -0/+195 to 98, xp to vista, vista to windows 7.... ugh!
i'm not a mac fanboy but honestly, could they appear to rape the poor consumer any worse?
apple got it right with not confusing people and just releasing tiger, and then leopard (later this year), no press ho ha, no confusing info just releasing it when it's ready.
and linux gets it right too, with ubuntu going from 6.06 to 7 with just firing off an 'apt' command, no 'oh god i've got to wipe the system and start again' just one line of code.
simplicity sells, confusion doesn't.
and people only have so much to spend on what is essentially a small part of what they really want, the o/s is a necessity only for the programs they run on it.
also subscriptions will probably confuse and worry the user and thus force the revolt. - bfdhud, on 10/10/2007, -0/+1If they honestly plan to make windows a subscription service, they had better do something about their OS being the least secure and least stable out of the top three (OSX, Linux, Windows).
People wouldn't subscribe to something that doesn't properly work - linuxrebel, on 10/10/2007, -1/+2Does anyone else see the Easter Egg in that if 7 is released as a named version of windows it will be the 9th named release (not counting versions ala NT) windows3.1 95 98 NT ME 2000 XP Vista and now 7 (Seven of 9)
- Ryosen, on 10/10/2007, -0/+1People subscribe to crap all the time. See: Comcast, AT&T, Sprint, T-Mobile, Cox, RoadRunner, Norton, People magazine, the Spanish Inquisition.....
- mudfly, on 10/10/2007, -1/+2Operating System Cost, Hardware Requirements, DRM, Back Doors, Lack of Innovation
Now let me turn the question around on you, What does Vista offer me that I can't get with either XP or Ubuntu? - Kwipper, on 10/10/2007, -0/+1Not unless they get their act together in the gaming community. Cause umm.. as I see things right now, gaming on anything but a Windows operating system is well.. laughable at best.
- icyisamu, on 10/10/2007, -1/+2Does Microsoft still think that a subscription-based OS/applications based business model will work in the future?
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