What is Digg?Sponsored by HTC
Who knows you better than your phone? view!
youtube.com - See you from the perspective of your phone.
99 Comments
- broodking, on 09/24/2009, -7/+37after reading this article i found that half is BS
and looks like the commenter's know this aswell
and after reading his bio and article it seems he hasn't even tried vista or 7 and just uses the bad vista rap to rip into 7 - wonderchemist, on 09/24/2009, -2/+2411: No one shows up for your Windows 7 Launch Party.
- smacksaw, on 09/24/2009, -2/+22I know it's a bit much to ask people to be fair and objective, but the article does make some good points that are worth pondering.
Too much like Vista: Agreed. They should have tried to emulate OS X a bit more and make it simpler, at least on the surface. My complaint about OS X is that if you are a power user, it's a bit limited in unlocking shortcuts. The opposite is true with Vista/7 where it could have been simpler, but with all of the stuff for power users easy to turn on and/or access. If you want a more thorough way of doing things, it would be nice to have.
Netbooks: Streaming media? The Starter version leaves out a whole lot more than that. Considering it doesn't do a lot of what XP already CAN DO, I think people have a right to be a bit upset.
DRM: This is the biggie. One, I am not sure I want that sort of overhead on my computer. But beyond that...come on Digg. You all HATE DRM! How can you even stand for this? I could go on and on about this, but let's suffice it to say that when people lose control of their property, they look for ways around it. Maybe you'll run Linux in a VM. Maybe you'll partition your HD and dual boot. If the goal is to keep people away from workarounds, why put them in a position to EVEN NEED ONE?
Dumb.
That said, I'll be looking forward to Windows 7 on my triple boot systems that were Vista/XP/Ubuntu which will now be 7/XP/Ubuntu. Sadly, I'll be like the person in the DRM example and using it less and less in favour of Ubuntu and XP. - ThinkBox, on 09/25/2009, -0/+19Vista is largely considered a failure when compared to other operating system launches.
It was a failure:
- in performance & Speed
- in ease of transition
- lacking features from what Longhorn promised.
- DX10 promises & results
But dont take my word for it, even TIME listed it as one of the biggest tech failures of all time: http://www.time.com/time/specials/packages/article ... - inactive, on 09/24/2009, -4/+191: It’s too much like Vista
2: It will cost too much
3: XP is still too popular
4: The editions are too confusing
5: No upgrades are available for XP (and Europe)
6: It’s no good for netbooks
7: Single sign-on apps will fail
8: There are better alternatives
9: XP Mode may not help you
10: You’ll have to contend with DRM
A1) I agree, im more familiar with XP but will adapt to the Vista like UI. Just how Mac users adapted to OS-X, which very few complained about.
A2) I agree, 200$ for a clean install? It should really be 99$.
A3) Yes, but all the new gadgets you buy today will operate poorly with XP. If your a gamer, you NEED Win7 for DX10/DX11 which is not available for XP.
A4) Yes. Should be 3 versions, less bloated Home edition, Pro edition and a Business class edition.
A5) Must be me, but when installing a brand new OS, I always clean install.
A6) Thats what Linux and XP Lite are for. Its like saying OS-X is no good for the iPhone, duh!
A7) Sucks, but it sounds like it will only affect a very small percentage of users.
A8) Bah! Shame on you! People know what theyre getting into. Sticker shock shuns away most potential Mac buyers, and Linux can be, at times, a tad too complicated for the average end user. Both great OSs, but people know what theyre getting into.
A9) Its a risk, one that alot of Mac users take using very similar software to emulate Windows.
A10) Not me. Thats what bit torrent is for. - freeridstylee, on 09/24/2009, -7/+227 simply will not fail. Vista didn't fail, a lot of people didn't like it, but they still sold a ton of it.
- gamben0, on 09/24/2009, -2/+12Jack Wallen is a complete idiot.
- ThinkBox, on 09/25/2009, -0/+9BUT I HAVE ALL THESE DEMOS AND ACTIVITIES PLANNED!!!!
- adeelarshad82, on 09/24/2009, -4/+12why are most people so determined to see Microsoft fail?
- knute5, on 09/25/2009, -0/+7If Vista were a success, Microsoft wouldn't be jettisoning the naming convention for something that harkens back to Windows 3.1 in Windows 7.
"Vista" just carries too many negatives. - smotpoker, on 09/25/2009, -1/+8@adeel
Besides what nxusername said, MS has a really bad rep for forcing itself onto people who don't want it by intentionally making itself (and partners) incompatible with alternatives.
If MS was as common as it is based purely on product quality, nobody would be so critical. As it is, however, their products have been mostly substandard for over a decade despite having the immense advantage of 1000x the resources of it's competitors. Yet despite this overwhelming advantage of time, existing marketshare and $$ they can't (or won't) compete directly based on the merits of their products. Instead they spread lies about competitors, steal their ideas, coerce their partners into not dealing with those competitors, etc.
What pisses people off about MS is not that they made money or gotten popular but that they created and do everything they can to maintain an environment where people are essentially *forced* to use their products (regardless of their quality or price) - prisoner24601, on 09/25/2009, -0/+6I'm still concerned with the KMS/MAK activation scheme. XP was a hassle until we switched to a volume license/non-activating version. Since then we've had no problems, but before that I was frequently forced to call into the activation phone line and get permission to run my OS again. For development purposes I have a great need to swap hardware extensively.
To this day I'm still unclear on just how many (or perhaps better said, how few...) times you can activate an XP key in a month over the internet before they flag it and start forcing you to call in (which is incredibly time consuming.) That problem went entirely away with volume license XP and I was incredibly disappointed when I read about MAK/KMS and that even with volume license Vista, there's no way to escape the 10-day activation window and then any hardware change will force reactivation, etc.
The thing that really bugs me has been the vagueness of the activation scheme. How many total times can I activate a Vista MAK over the internet? How frequently am I allowed to do it in a week? In a month? I realize Microsoft probably wouldn't want to give definitive answers to complicate the life of pirates. But it's made me really gun shy on Vista.
I hate playing "mommy may I?" with vendors trying to restrict me from using products I've bought. I recognize that few people will need to reinstall their OS on a weekly basis, but there seems to be something wrong with the fact that I can't if I want to. (At least not without getting a cracked version of Vista.) So we are sticking with XP until there is some compelling reason to move, or until they release a non-activation volume license version of Vista or 7. There were just far too many time I wasted 8 minutes per call to key in a long series of numbers, then wait for the system to come back with the inevitable "we're sorry but we were unable to activate your copy of Windows XP automatically, please hold for a representative" message, then talk to someone who insulted my integrity by asking me "how many computers have you installed this software on?"
I don't think it's too much to ask for me to be able to reinstall my operating system every week if that's what I call fun and never have to ask anyone for permission to do so. I can do that with volume license XP and I expect my life to get less complicated when I upgrade not more. - ThinkBox, on 09/25/2009, -0/+6"My complaint about OS X is that if you are a power user, it's a bit limited in unlocking shortcuts."
I felt the same way until i switched. It's just a little different from a PC. Macs are very customizable, lots of great tweaks, but in Terminal commands and with applications, scripts, and automator
If you really think that OS X isn't customizable, then you need to take a second look.
Here is a GREAT resource: http://www.macosxhints.com/ - nxusername, on 09/24/2009, -5/+11Because Google and Apple are making good products that people actually want.
- ThinkBox, on 09/25/2009, -0/+6That sentence got away from you, didn't it?
- nxusername, on 09/24/2009, -6/+11Microsoft is determined themselves to fail. Look at Windows Moblie for example. It sucked since the beginning of it's existence. Then, out of the blue the iPhone comes in a reshapes the industry. Microsoft scrambles and creates version 6.5 which is a cheap knock off of the iPhone OS. Nevermind the fact that it is a cheap knockoff- why couldn't M$ (with all their resources) create something good in the first place?
- SniTT, on 09/25/2009, -0/+5I'll give you one:
11: photoshop runs slower on win7 - Chipesh, on 09/25/2009, -0/+4Any Windows release will gain market share when it's pre-installed and the previous version is withdrawn (getting XP virtually impossible in main stream stores) simply because of new PC sales.
With XP still commanding around 70% of users after more than two years of Vista, how anyone can not view Vista as a failure is beyond me.
Vista's place is already waiting in the "operating systems to forget" cupboard, next to Millennium Edition.
Bob - tao52nyc, on 09/25/2009, -1/+5They "sold a ton of it" to a captive audience, as opposed to enlightened consumers shopping for the best deal among a range of possibilities on an equal playing field. Computer chips have never been the same as potato chips. The original PC market was driven by large corporate adoption. There was no consumer market to speak of. But as prices dropped, and features (including the GUI) became available, the consumer market began to grow. But it was dominated at first by office-PC users who wanted something for their homes they already understood how to use at the office, with file compatibility. This has now metastasized, where PC-consumers simply settle for whatever OS their OEM deigns to give them, as that's "the devil they know". How any of this equates to true capitalist free market consumer choice escapes me. The only people in the PC market that seem to be making conscious choices are the Mac/Linux "switchers" and the PC-gamer fanboys that are into heavy modding and tweaking. Everyone else is buying based on the most HW features they can get on their budgets, and simply take the OS they're handed.
- one1plus1one, on 09/25/2009, -1/+5"Most consumers dont care about DRM. Thats sad, but true..."
WTF? That's the number 1 biggest complaint of consumers these days. I guess you missed all those headlines about the shifting paradigm of the media-industries, including music TV Hollywood, porn.
Those industries are scrambling, as they realize that the future is coming upon them quickly, and nothing will ever be the same for them again.
DRM is one of the key issues of this century thus far. In fact the entire theme of the 21st century will be DRM related. The 21st century will be the century of copies. Everything will be copyable by the end of this century, and as a result the price and value of everything will drop.
In the end everything and anything will be copied: including even human DNA, and perhaps even our very minds will be digitally recorded before this century is over. When you can make backup copies of your body (DNA) and your mind, then the value of human life itself will drop (if there are backup copies of everyone).
By the end of this century even our heros and celebrities will have to safeguard their DNA (and hairbrushes) with extreme caution, least a crazed female fan decide to give birth to their copy/clone.
Issues of copying and DRM will resonate throughout the 21st century and change life and business as we know it at a profoundly fundamental level. - jeremymccurdy, on 09/25/2009, -1/+5Obvious troll list is obvious.
- Howitzer86, on 09/25/2009, -2/+6I was insulted from the start of the article and stopped reading.
"I have yet to run into a PC user who actually likes Vista. Oh, there maybe a few scattered fanboys out there who have decided that Aero is the prettiest of all interfaces and that the User Access Control is the be-all-end-all of security. The truth of the matter is, Vista is a horrible operating system."
I like Vista, and most people who do are not crazed fanboys. That sort of thing is rare with MS products, but liking Vista and being a rabid fanboy are two different things. One doesn't need to be irrational to like Vista - which is what he tries to say. - Konformitee, on 09/25/2009, -1/+4Who cares? You got a free version of Windows 7 Ultimate. That's why 99% of the people signed up to host one. Do you think they really care about evangelizing Windows 7?
- inactive, on 09/26/2009, -0/+3Haha fair enough.
- Locastus, on 09/25/2009, -0/+3I'd show up just to see Ballmer do the monkey dance
- ThinkBox, on 09/25/2009, -0/+3I'm sorry, but a Windows OS will always outsell a OS X release. If you think that Apple fanboys are angry at that, then you don't understand how these companies operate on OS & Hardware tie-ins.
This isn't as simple as an OS sales competition. - Moralogic, on 09/25/2009, -0/+3They are a horrid company that cares far more about profit margin than their customers. Yes there are many companies like this, Comcast, Electronic Arts, Time Warner/Road Runner/Bright House, AT&T, AOL, Sprint/Nextel, Aber. & Fitch, Capital One, Bank of America, Allstate, EarthLink...
Now you want to talk about quality companies we have Marriot, Google, Amazon... - FKnight, on 09/25/2009, -0/+3What's annoying about the Libraries feature? The Documents, Music, and Pictures libraries act EXACTLY THE SAME as XP and Vista's Documents, Music, and Pictures folders unless you add more folders to the Libraries.
Besides, if you have a bunch of Windows 7 machines on your network and don't have a central server, the Libraries feature is absolutely a must. - doctordbx, on 09/25/2009, -0/+3Er... since when was share price a method for comparing the performance of 2 companies?
Perhaps if you used earnings per share, you might have something more indicative. - ThinkBox, on 09/25/2009, -0/+3Determined, or expecting?
- FKnight, on 09/25/2009, -1/+4Article buried because the author tried to jump on a bash-bandwagon that already left.
- Nickedynick, on 09/25/2009, -0/+37 is the first Windows iteration that I've actually liked. There are a few annoyances, such as the stupid libraries feature and the control panel still not being intuitive, but for day-to-day use, including gaming, it's pretty solid.
Microsoft have put a lot of effort into attracting users to 7 too (like the UK £30 pre-orders, etc) so I really can't see it failing at all. - ralphlindberg79, on 09/25/2009, -0/+2Why anything from Windows has to fail every single time? I am still using XP but tested Windows 7 in a friends desktop . . . I like it. By the way, the article seemed to be biased.
- fuzzy889, on 09/25/2009, -0/+2What the hell?
- FKnight, on 09/25/2009, -0/+2@mrBitch
Libraries are fracking great -- but yeah, I wish they had the query functionality of Smart Folders, then they'd be PERFECT. - Moralogic, on 09/25/2009, -1/+3Ops, haha, my bad. I was going to do 10, but needed to get to get the phone and just clicked submit. My dumbass mistake.
- amitait, on 09/25/2009, -1/+3It won't fail.
- ThinkBox, on 09/25/2009, -1/+3"It was for many people the first and only OS they ever used"
Ain't been around too long have ya, sonny?
"Most consumers dont care about DRM."
Then why does everyone complain about it? And constant studies show it doesn't work, and only punishes consumers. I know tons of people who have been screwed by DRM on products they have paid for. - Acqua206, on 09/25/2009, -0/+2I don't think you have any idea how stocks work. Berkshire Hathaway stocks are over $100,000 a share, they must be super dooooooper stocks by your reasoning.
- tao52nyc, on 09/25/2009, -0/+2I don't care who outsells what. It's irrelevant. Microsoft sells operating systems. Apple sells integrated technologies, which includes an operating system. Mac purchasers are (ignoring the rantings of fanboys) making conscious consumer choices for their computing experience. The mass of PC buyers (not all, but the bulk) are (a) focused on cost, (b) want something compatible with what they're forced to use at the office, (c) are either clueless or skeptical about other options, and (d) take whatever OS is handed to them at the time of sale. But any way you look it, most PC users are a captive audience, and if they want something backward compatible with everything they've created with their previous system, they generally stick with Windows. That's not the same as PC users all running out on October 22nd to their local retailers, cash in hand, screaming "I just can't wait to get my hands on Windows 7!". The day that happens, someone get a net to catch all the monkeys that will be flying out of my ass.
- akabigbro, on 09/25/2009, -0/+2All they have to do is strong-arm (yea, like they don't do that already) the game development companies to only use Windows 7 and everyone will move over. Pretty simple... You morons follow the entertainment like lemmings.
- FKnight, on 09/25/2009, -2/+4It's true that most users don't care *about the DRM that exists in Windows* because the *FACT* is that it doesn't affect them one bit. The crap you hear about it slowing Windows down with the "polling" was debunked years ago. The crap you hear about not being able to record audio or rip CDs or play DIVX movies are LIES.
I have a years pay that says you cannot name ONE thing in Vista/7's DRM that affects end-users because everything that has been said about it is *****. - chaos7, on 09/25/2009, -5/+7buried for bandwagon vista bashing
- FKnight, on 09/25/2009, -0/+2@doctordbx
When everyone on tech web sites (including Digg) suddenly became armchair stockbrokers. - tao52nyc, on 09/25/2009, -0/+1English speaking, you are? /s
- Moralogic, on 09/25/2009, -1/+210 Reasons Jack Wallen is a ***** Idiot.
1. He writes articles without properly researching what he is talking about.
2. He has a blatant bias when he writes his articles.
3. He makes stupid mistakes like bitching about price at one point, but then supports Mac in another which costs 10 fold more than the additional price of the OS, and how things are so much the same between Vista and 7 ignoring that Mac's OS's don't change much either.
4. He ignores the fact that things must progress technologically for there to be technological advancement. Plus, you have to upgrade hardware sometime.
5. He has many stupid articles like this. - Mistuke, on 09/25/2009, -0/+1Articles like these is why I stopped subscribing to techrepublic news letters. Instead of getting content i get biased anti-microsoft propaganda. If I wanted that i would go read mac insider or something.
- TheKillDoctor, on 09/25/2009, -0/+1I've got to be able to digitize audio and video as I see fit.
Waiting for someone to tell me about a great work around for their DRM scheme...Anyone? - Nickedynick, on 09/25/2009, -0/+1I can see it being useful if you don't have a central network server, I just personally find it too messy to organise things that way. I tend to be pretty organised with my folder heirarchies, so I know exactly where everything is anyway.
- inactive, on 09/25/2009, -1/+21 Reason why Moralogic is a ***** idiot
1. He doesn't know the difference between 5 and 10 -
Show 51 - 100 of 101 discussions
© Digg Inc. 2009
— Content created and posted by Digg users is