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- patricks, on 10/11/2007, -20/+55You're a moron.
- davethewebb, on 10/11/2007, -4/+35KDE is looking absolutely great - I can't wait 'till October when I can get my hands on the finished product. My say: keep up the good work.
Just make sure you add a bit of contrast to the title buttons - it is a bit hard to see them at a glance. - MeneerR, on 10/11/2007, -7/+31Well, I'm very much looking forward to KDE4. It has a lot of potential!
Reasons I do not use KDE3 currently:
1. Ugly, ugly, ugly skins by default (Plastik, Keramik). How little taste can a person have? Seriously?
2. Bad defaults. Why are there align buttons on a messenger window? I like to be able to customize, i do not like to be forced to customize because all the defaults are for 14 year olds morans that don't actually use the programs in any productive manner.
3. Crowded menu. There is no logic in the menu, nor the administration. Too many options, too many ways to launch the same program.
4. Start-menu. I don't like that. It was a dumb idea, it is a dumb idea and will always be a dumb idea. Here's a hint: if its unique to Windows and KDE, its a BAD interface design.
5. Konqueror. Are you kidding me? You know why you can't fit all programs into one? Because different programs have different workflows and need different interfaces. DUH.
6. Freedom: there is a reason you don't see windows programs using the Qt interface. Why? liscencing. This alone is why there is so much more gnome software
To sum it up. KDE developers have even less taste than Microsoft.
But:
- the new skin looks GREAT (hooray! it does not burn my eyes!)
- they are going to write their counterpart of interface guidelines! (hooray! consistency!)
- they have fixed the license (hooray! crossplatform!)
- they are kicking out the mess called konqueror (hooray! dolphin looks great!)
KDE used to be all about features + customizeability + crappy interface + puke skins + no consistency + messy menu's + bad defaults
But it looks like they are going to try to address all my concerns. They might win me over!
Stuff I don't like about gnome:
- lacks some poweruser functionality
- has a war against customizeability (dude, give me my freedom!)
Give me kde with gnome's taste and sane default and you have a new user! - ChrisRX, on 10/11/2007, -3/+27I'm a long time gnome user too, but this has got me really anticipating kde4. Combined with AIGLX, this could make for one of the, if not the nicest looking desktop environments.
- nunopinheiro, on 10/11/2007, -1/+22remember, i can not stress this enough that the theme is color adaptive so its kite simple for you to change the level of contrast by simply changing the colors :)
also it has hover effect and so on so that helps a bit. - inactive, on 10/11/2007, -3/+23The new KDE icon theme looks all original to me, and I have a Mac (ppc) ...
The only drawback new linux users have with KDE is the default Crystal icon set looks like it belongs on a kids sub$100 laptop.
(I did what most suse linux (KDE default) users do and replaced the lot with the Crystal Diamond icon theme from kde-look.org)
Can't wait for KDE4 - opencoder, on 10/11/2007, -3/+20I am in love with KDE 4. When I first started hearing about the kind of things they were doing, I was really excited. Which is rare for a GNOME/OB3 user. I watched some of the progress eagerly. Especially in the Road to KDE 4 blog series. I switched to KDE and now I am pretty happy with it. And KDE 4 is going to be awesome. I can't wait for native compositing.
- DrBob, on 10/11/2007, -3/+13Wouldn't it be a better idea to have better contrast by default? What's the point in making half the users change the colour theme as soon as they've got KDE installed, because it's hurting their eyes?
- rramalho, on 10/11/2007, -3/+13Keep up the good work! I'm looking forward to KDE 4, to replace Gnome on my Linux desktop. =)
- renegadeafk, on 10/11/2007, -2/+12What the hell? Your post makes absolutely no goddamn sense.
- subxero37, on 10/11/2007, -4/+13No offense, but those two themes alone is why KDE was so unappealing to me at first. Incredibly tacky themes plus icons everywhere (for every single item in a menu...) turned me off to KDE. Of course, I later toyed with it, but it just wasn't for me, so I've stuck with Gnome and Xfce (Xfce for my crappier computer.)
- ultra_lime, on 10/11/2007, -2/+11It looks great, but without a great HIG like Gnome this will look like the same crappy unorganized layout of KDE 3.
- djmdave, on 10/11/2007, -6/+13@Trax91, because English is everyones first language, isn't it...
- wounded625, on 10/11/2007, -5/+11@joeroot1
ya, cause apple invented rollover effects
/sarcasm - tmahmood, on 10/11/2007, -1/+7Agreed, They need to fix their interface, they are so cluttered ... until then I'll stick with GNOME. Cool graphics and good looking Icons are not the most important thing.
- DonCarcharo, on 10/11/2007, -3/+9I think Oxygen looks great. Sure it's heavily "inspired" by OS X but virtually everything Linux does right is inspired by another OS. Linux isn't about trailblazing new ground, it's about taking something that works, enhancing it and making it free.
And that's not something to be embarrassed of. I mean, it's not like Linux has some huge R&D budget to work with. So the community watches developments made to other operating systems, adopts the conventions that work and makes them free. Very few will openly admit this, of course. Instead the community might be adamant that Gnome and KDE were created without even looking at the Windows desktop. But even a casual user can see the similarities.
So I say embrace it. Oxygen looks good. It also looks a lot like Mac OS X. So what? - dwbell, on 10/11/2007, -0/+4There is a HIG team working on KDE 4 and from what I've read they're doing a great job on making things simple while still providing the customization options.
- lupinglade, on 10/11/2007, -3/+7That looks like a knock off of Mac OS X (speaking of the window styles only though, as that's all I saw there -- Also saw the icons linked earlier -- not a huge fan -- they are too dull). Surely someone can come up with something more original? Soft gradients are old... make it more 3D, easier to discern widgets that way, either using Aqua-like effects or some other 3D-ish effects... it looks too much like a blank white screen. Also, widgets should be bigger and further apart. See the Golden Ratio mentioned above... and read Apple's HIG or something, again. Please don't take this offensively, just trying to provide some constructive criticism.
- dwbell, on 10/11/2007, -0/+4It's KDE if you don't like where the button is... move it.
If you want the buttons to do something different ex. keep on top, shade window... change it.
The beauty of KDE... - dwbell, on 10/11/2007, -0/+3As a KDE user and Konq lover I feel the need to jump in.
First QT licensing was cleared up years ago.
Second Konqueror is an amazing program once you learn how to use it. For example I can split a single tab to view to different folders I use this all the time for easy drag and drop, one half of the tab showing my local server the other half showing the ftp server for my website and just drag and drop between the two. Is there any easy way to do this with Gnome? It's actually one of the reason I go back to KDE every time I try Gnome.
While I don't use Konq for my main web browser there are reasons: speed, instantly opens and fast accurate rendering (there's a reason Apple used KHTML for Safari). I use Konq for web browsing when I just need to open a site quick to grab some info however for casual surfing Firefox is unbeatable. - slapthemonkey, on 10/11/2007, -1/+4It's lacking contrast with very bright colors. Otherwise, very nice.
- defrex, on 10/11/2007, -5/+7@joeroot1
It's not just about that one pic: http://oxygen-icons.org/ - ioannusdeverani, on 10/10/2007, -0/+2H'm. I will probably get dugg down for this, but the UI in Windows Vista with AERO enabled is quite pleasing to the eye. Now, I do agree that without AERO, it is hideous.
And it is a "little bit" configurable; you can change the colours of the transparent window-borders. If you really want to customise it further, you can use something like WindowBlinds Vista, although I think it is fine the way it is.
I do, however, agree with you about the tweaking in Linux. That is the first thing I do every time I install a new Linux distro; I spend a long, looooooooooooooong time going through the www.whatever-look.org sites and getting nice themes and wallpapers, and icons, etc. - joe90210, on 10/11/2007, -3/+5why is it that everyone seems to be ripping off the Vista Grass wallpapers these days?
- championchap, on 10/11/2007, -3/+5@DrBob (#7218963)
I can't imagine that hurting anybodies eyes.
It looks great, the idea was obviously to keep the buttons not in use subtle but still obviously there till you need them. - gutistg, on 10/11/2007, -1/+3I wish number 3 wasn't so true.
- sam991, on 10/11/2007, -4/+5@DrBob: Because it's assumed that anyone who's going to be using linux is going to spend 10 minutes tweaking the desktop environment to their own preferences. Unlike MS who spend millions developing a barely configurable environment that no one likes.
- gutistg, on 10/11/2007, -2/+3Wouldn't you just expect to have to make some adjustments on your linux box?
- MavRevMatt, on 10/11/2007, -1/+2I'm not much of a KDE fan but this is great work.
- inactive, on 10/11/2007, -1/+1Wow this looks so much better than the current bulky and kid-ish widgets KDE has currently.
- spikeb, on 10/11/2007, -1/+1looking at the win deco, i sure hope that mockup window is not in focus, because that's not usable.
- Theli, on 10/11/2007, -3/+2"4. Start-menu. I don't like that. It was a dumb idea, it is a dumb idea and will always be a dumb idea. Here's a hint: if its unique to Windows and KDE, its a BAD interface design."
While I agree that a start menu is not the best choice for GUI design, I think the one in KDE is far better than the one in Windows. At least it has the sense to sort installed applications in categories.
"5. Konqueror. Are you kidding me? You know why you can't fit all programs into one? Because different programs have different workflows and need different interfaces. DUH."
This is a subject of some dispute, but I must say I agree with you here. I have never understood the point of a web browser / file browser. A file browser should be clean, easy to use and use up very little screen space for controls. A web browser should be Firefox. : ) - davidhildreth, on 10/11/2007, -4/+3it reminds me of aqua
- DrBob, on 10/11/2007, -1/+0My point is that it's redundant to have it set up so that a lot of people who install it are going to want to change it as soon as they see it; of course people are going to tweak things anyway, but what's the point in making them tweak more things? Sensible defaults are a good idea.
- KoZo, on 10/11/2007, -3/+2I like gnome's approach now, but how long till they support no customization? we will see. KDE4 is looking really good.
- Vektuz, on 10/11/2007, -3/+2It looks like they've given up the idea of making it easy to use, in favor of making it look cooler.
eg: not having the button on the right most, topmost part of the window means that when maximised, it cannot be clicked by simply moving the mouse to the corner of the screen and clicking.
Really basic things like this are being given up here, in beryl too, in favor of eye candy, and its disappointing. - klutzrock, on 10/11/2007, -3/+1I find it interesting how computers and the internet are, and have been since its' inception, diverging in two very distinct ways in how "it" interacts with an end user. While the details, concepts, and understanding to be a developer of computer applications (and if not that then the developer of the developers development software ...etc.) is getting more and more complicated, the attempt to draw simpler and simpler people into the internet age (and thus have more demographics to work with), is bringing us closer and closer to the world of visual cues before we could read and write. In an effort to be more widely accessible we are reverting from the complexities of written language for the more easier understanding of images and icons. The crucifix, the swastika, and the mercedes logo are just a few examples of the raw power and awe-striking ability of simple images over text. Much like the ages of hundreds if not thousands of years ago when the commoners couldn't read or write, A blacksmiths shop had a painting of a hammer and the butcher had a sign of a piece of meat or something. I'm not sure what the implications are of this or if it's even a bad thing. I mean, the most popular language in the world right now has thousands of icons rather than a simple alphabet right? I love English but I do wonder what the future holds for it and other alphabet based languages as the icons immerse themselves more and more into our daily life and our love affair with the internet, our computers and their programs. Like I said, its not necessarily detrimental to us but it is something to be aware of and constantly be questioning if more icons in our lives makes us brighter or dimmer. It definitely is simpler and less prone to cause mistakes, but if one doesn't push the limits more then it just allows us to use less brainpower maybe? Curious if anyone agrees or can see any sense in this line of reasoning. Cheers
- crazybrit, on 10/11/2007, -4/+2Who dugg him down? I thought his post was insightful and well thought out.
- ahvi, on 10/11/2007, -4/+1I think I might agree, but I'm not sure O_o
- crazybrit, on 10/11/2007, -6/+3@joeroot: I dugg you down for "linux groupies." wtf?
- wounded625, on 10/11/2007, -6/+2ugh
- xspinkickx, on 10/11/2007, -7/+3I thought it reminded me of the apples theme as well.....
- mobilitatis, on 10/11/2007, -7/+1Mac OS "Kitty Cat" is a Big *****!
- inactive, on 10/11/2007, -10/+4Mac OS X looks better
- deathhand, on 10/11/2007, -8/+2But what does KDE have to do with a woman's entertainment network?
- yhan, on 10/11/2007, -9/+2I believe you, but I still prefer XP's luna theme :p
- NicksVideo, on 10/11/2007, -14/+5nvm. Digg me down.
- joeroot1, on 10/11/2007, -21/+11all of diggs linux groupies will digg this down, but it looks frighteningly similar to OS X. I mean we must be looking at different images if you dont. The subtle grey gradient and the blue highlighting of an active form item are almost identical to that in OS X.
It looks nice, but its hardly original. - cmost, on 10/11/2007, -15/+4(Yawn!) That was pretty boring! They couldn't come up with something more exciting than that? It resembles the default "unified" widget style on old Mandrake 9.x series without the blue. The rest of the window border and coloration is a blatent rip-off of Macintosh. Come on Team KDE, you can do better than that.
- Yogurth, on 10/11/2007, -15/+3Hmm this looks pretty bad IMHO. Look at the huge borders, look at the widget spacing. Someone needs a lesson in proportions and Golden Ratio.
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