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- bieber, on 10/12/2007, -0/+12I have no desire for a proprietary music player. Particularly given that there's already AmaroK, far superior to anything the proprietary world has to offer. iPod support used to be a pain in the ass, but then I switched to Rockbox. Now I can just drag and drop music onto my iPod. And, more importantly, _off_ of my iPod.
- drakethegreat, on 10/12/2007, -3/+15You have to consider that iTunes is not a Unix command tool. Most the code is built in Objective-C in Xcode. All of the UI is done with the Cocoa API and it would require nothing short of a rewrite like the version for Windows. Yet in the case of Linux there isn't a huge market for it at all because even out of the few Linux users that exist, a lot of them are so obsessed with OSS and therefore wouldn't touch a commercial app with all the OS available.
This sort of thing describes the situations for applications like Photoshop, AutoCAD, etc. Its something linux users will have to accept. - anti-net, on 10/12/2007, -3/+14I think apple just just roll out iTunes for Linux and be done with it, would make Linux more attractive. How hard can it be to port it over, Linux is UNIX based after all.
- Tux541, on 10/12/2007, -0/+9This is old news. This can be easily done with OpenSUSE (Or really and Linux distro) and using Amarok. Also GTK-Pod has been out for a long time. Besides libgpod has been around much longer and is much more stable. I guess I'm just saying I don't get the point of this story? Why would you want a less reliable version of libgpod that is also under the LGPL and not under the GPL?
- tylerni7, on 10/12/2007, -0/+8@ matt.rubin they have all linux mp3 players, and some people do build them from scratch. However, since Apple is a huge company, they can get 60gB microdrives for hundreds less than a normal consumer could. It just doesn't make economical sense to build your own mp3 player.
- CLucas916, on 10/12/2007, -0/+8http://www.gtkpod.org/libgpod.html
A different library has been around for awhile now. - Grumbleberries, on 10/12/2007, -2/+9I'm sure linux users everywhere (well, the ones with iPods) are going to be happy with this.
- Tux541, on 10/12/2007, -0/+7Very true. iTunes is written for Cocoa in Mac OS X, if it was in Linux you would have to use either GTK or QT. Also it would be interesting to see how they would implement iTunes shares using DAAP in Linux. I have to agree with Nainto that it would take almost a complete rewrite, but they did it for Windows why not do it for Linux?
- beandog, on 10/12/2007, -0/+7I've been pretty happy already with gtkpod, but it's always nice to see some new innovation. :)
- tweakr, on 10/12/2007, -0/+6So what's the benefit of this over something like gtkpod?
- agentsandoval, on 10/12/2007, -0/+6I wonder regularly if the market is really that small to ignore people who prefer not to use Windows.
- strcmp, on 10/12/2007, -0/+5iTunes is a Carbon app, not Cocoa.
- Vitaliy, on 10/12/2007, -0/+5"Generated on Tue Dec 13 14:55:22 2005 for libipod" and projects such as GTKPod are out there for some time now. Lame.
- eklitzke, on 10/12/2007, -0/+5iTunes shares (and hence DAAP) already work in Linux. If you are running avahi and an avahi enabled music player (e.g. Rhythmbox, probabkly amaroK as well) then you can access the iTunes libraries of anyone on your network who has sharing turned on.
- ludwik, on 10/12/2007, -0/+4I have an ipod and use it under Linux for about 6 mouths. Oooold news.
- timf, on 10/12/2007, -0/+4The headline is a bit misleading.
There already is iPod support provided by applications like Banshee, Rhythmbox and gtkpod.
This is only another library but it's still no official support. - inactive, on 10/12/2007, -1/+5Doesn't matter. It probably would require a rewrite.
- lunarworks, on 10/12/2007, -0/+4"I think apple just just roll out iTunes for Linux and be done with it, would make Linux more attractive."
Yes. That's exactly what Apple wants to do. "Make Linux more attractive." (As far as Apple's concerned, if you want a Windows alternative, they want you to pick THEM.) - beandog, on 10/12/2007, -0/+4"Yet in the case of Linux there isn't a huge market for it at all because even out of the few Linux users that exist, a lot of them are so obsessed with OSS and therefore wouldn't touch a commercial app with all the OS available."
That's not the case at all.
We use things like the nvidia binary driver, to play stuff like Doom 3, Unreal Tournament, or Neverwinter Nights.
There's a market for Linux users, and those that adapt to it quickly gain brand loyalty. - spin, on 10/12/2007, -0/+4As many others noted, there is nothing new here. Thanks to the GTKPOD project, iPods have worked well on Linux for some time, 4 and 5G support was added more recently. Personally I hate gtkpod because of it's extremely poor usability. But i really HATE iTunes. The gtkpod crew were nice enough to modularize their iPod library so that it could be used by other projects. I wrote a little about this topic back in February, after the release of the Amarok 1.4 beta1.
http://spinink.net/2006/02/17/amarok-14-ipod-support/ - logden, on 10/12/2007, -0/+3"Yes. That's exactly what Apple wants to do. "Make Linux more attractive." (As far as Apple's concerned, if you want a Windows alternative, they want you to pick THEM.)"
It would be smart for apple to to be supportive of linux because in the long run there are many many people who think that windows is the only game in town (they don't even realize there are other OSes out there). The more people use alternatives, ANY alternative, the more likely it will be that other people will look into these choices. Apple stands to gain more market share in that game than Linux because the types of people who would be looking at alternatives and don't yet know there are any will choose Apple over Linux due to, perceived or real, difficulties in making linux work for a new user.
I am almost 100% linux but I would suggest to you that if the end goal is to get 3rd parties to pay attention to alternative operating systems that more people switching to either mac or linux is a good thing for both mac and linux. - itsbonczek, on 10/12/2007, -0/+3Does anyone know which open source library is better supported? The only negative point to these libraries is the fact that if Apple changes the way its data is stored on the iPod, these libraries are somewhat broken and will need some programmers to fix them.
Interestingly enough, Apple does not give out Cocoa libraries for accessing iPods so the best you can do (besides reverse engineering) is use Applescript to access/sync the iPod through iTunes. - Chozabu, on 10/12/2007, -0/+3"AmaroK, far superior to anything the proprietary world has to offer."
Ok, im in KDE running AmaroK right now, but really, it would be much better to say something along the lines of
"AmaroK, which i prefer to anything i know about from the proprietary world"
anyway, if vendorskeep ignoring linux, its just gonna keep getting a stronger ser of GPL and other open apps
sure, id like flash 7/8/9 working *now* - but ill be alot happer having gnash support it
now i prefer blender over other 3d apps for almost every 3d task (and sharp construct will jsut about fill in the gaps i tihnk...) - Tsuroerusu, on 10/12/2007, -0/+3"Yet in the case of Linux there isn't a huge market for it at all because even out of the few Linux users that exist, a lot of them are so obsessed with OSS and therefore wouldn't touch a commercial app with all the OS available.
This sort of thing describes the situations for applications like Photoshop, AutoCAD, etc. Its something linux users will have to accept."
I assume you've been living under a rock for the last year, because in a recent survey done by Novell on which Windows apps that people wanted the most to be ported to Linux, Photoshop topped the list as number one, so I think you're severely mistaken about Linux users not willing to use proprietary software, some of us don't like proprietary software for philosophical reasons, but then again, a lot of Apple users don't like to use apps that don't have a native Aqua UI, OpenOffice would be a good example in this case. - pedru, on 10/12/2007, -0/+3try the rockbox firmware... it is a music directory player.. you can browse through the files on your player, just like in the normal directory system... you can copy music to/from your music player with every ordinary filemanager.. sopports mp3, ogg, flac, m4a & more files.. the original ipod firmware is preserved... lots of nice plugins/games/toys/utilities... crossfading... and so on...
rockbox was the reason i bought myself an ipod nano...
rockbox.org - NicP, on 10/12/2007, -0/+3matt, no they buy ipods and the install linux or rockbox on them :D
- Otto, on 10/12/2007, -0/+3libgpod is definitely the more mature of the two projects, based on a cursory glance at the code of the two. libgpod offers a lot more support for the features inherent in the iPod (including real live updating smart playlists).
And I'm not just saying that because my name is in the libgpod source code. ;) - sneakerelph, on 10/12/2007, -0/+2"If you wanna watch movies, get a Cowon A2 and just drop and drag yer xvids, divx."
ok, i just bought an iPod video, but now i'll just run out and grab a Cowon A2 so i can watch movies with rockbox! /sarcasm
i'll switch to rockbox when it stops skipping while i play that cool penguin bubble shooting game, and when i can watch all my movies on it. - macewan, on 10/12/2007, -0/+2I've been using gtkpod, why is this better?
- linuxps2, on 10/12/2007, -0/+2yeah definitely old... I've been using Amaroke with an iPod for a while now
- TVarmy, on 10/12/2007, -1/+3That was the intention with PyMusique, but then they started stripping off the DRM and that caused Apple to change the music store so that it couldn't work anymore. Really a shame, but I don't blame Apple. Leave iTunes open to non-DRM'd music, and then the record labels get upset and pull out.
- inactive, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1Or just release a firmware update that makes the iPod function fully as a MTP device, so it's OS independent (it already is, but only for data files)
- pedru, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1i do not own an ipod video, however you need to transcode them and place the videos in the correct folder... there are howtos for that out there...
- Tux541, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1Check out Amarok. I've been using the v1.4 Beta. It's great! Has a lot of features I actually wished iTunes had. You can even do things like burn Audio CD's directly from music off of your iPod. The Podcast client works great on it too. It is in my opinion the closest competition to iTunes.
- pussfeller, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1Get Rockbox if you have an IPOD. It is much stabler now, even when using a CVS.
I need to figure out how to sync my podcasts tho. Right now, I use Amarok to dl them and then cp.
I can't figure out how to tell Amarok my IPOD isn't an IPOD anymore, but a regular old FAT device.
If you wanna watch movies, get a Cowon A2 and just drop and drag yer xvids, divx.
I don't think I will be bothering with any "legit" downloadable medias until the price comes WAY down and the DRM is gone. - sneakerelph, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1anyone know how to get videos onto the iPod from linux? is it not supported in the library, or is it just the app (AmaroK) that i'm using?
- jhuebel, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1To be honest, the only reason I use iTunes is the easy integration. If Lsongs adds RSS support (for podcasts), then I'd consider it. But until then, it's not really useful to me.
Are there any other libipod/libgpod frontends that support podcasting? - einfeldt, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1hi Tux541,
You wrote:
"I guess I'm just saying I don't get the point of this story? Why would you want a less reliable version of libgpod that is also under the LGPL and not under the GPL?"
IMHO, the wave of commoditization of proprietary, integrated architectures like the iPod starts with a bridge. The whole attraction of Linspire for me personally is that it is a very very easy bridge to cross from Windows or Apple into the world of Linux. I believe that GPL'd iPod-type solutions will eventually be good enough for the masses to use that there will be little attraction for more limited solutions. We're just not there yet. Give it another couple of months. Heh. - deadlock, on 10/12/2007, -0/+11. Alternatively you can use it in the way in which it is intended: tell iTunes were the new songs are and allow it to copy them into its directory structure itself, creating its own subdirs as it goes. Why wag your own tail when you have a dog to do it for you?
2. Hardly a deal closer, really. If the album name is in the tags, I see no reason for iTunes not to use it to organise the files. This is very much personal preference, really.
3. Right-click the file, click 'Get Info' and the path to the file is in the info displayed in the first tab.
4. Agreed, this is pretty annoying.
5. No idea what you're talking about here... - macewan, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1nice work
- sneakerelph, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1i know how to do it for iTunes, you convert the video and then import it into iTunes. thats easy enough. i'm wondering about the transfer, since i need to use iTunes on my PC to do it. i need a way to do it from AmaroK, then i'm pretty much windows free.
- SilentPurity, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1I just wish everyone had as many valuable contributions to this conversation as this guy!
- snorp, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1There is also the ipod-sharp library (written by me). It is currently used in the Banshee music player, and there is also a standalone app, Dopi, for managing the iPod.
http://www.snorp.net/log/ipod-sharp
http://www.snorp.net/log/dopi
http://www.banshee-project.org - briguy, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1I put videos on with gtkpod. Podcasts and music (with artwork) using amaroK
- Drizzit, on 10/12/2007, -2/+2...
- l0ne, on 10/12/2007, -1/+1Note that scripting iTunes or the Finder through Apple Events are the official way to do some operations from other applications, such as changing Finder comments or interacting with the iPod.
- Tux541, on 10/12/2007, -2/+2You can use Avahi, but you could also use Howl. I don't think Amarok supports DAAP yet that I know of, which seems to be its one major flaws. But this brings up a good point and why Apple will probably never make iTunes for Linux. Which one are they going to support Avahi or Howl? Maybe make their own? What dependencies is iTunes for Linux going to require? Apple is use to writting software for a specific OS like Mac OS X. Linux has way to many libraries and variations of those libraries making it difficult to write an iTunes that will just work in Linux. You also have to look at it from a business standpoint. How much money would it cost Apple to pay its developers to try and support Linux and its many variations? Then you have to ask how much money would they make on the iTunes store or from sales of iPods from those extra Linux users? I doubt a Linux version would justify the cost.
- LinuxGalore, on 10/12/2007, -1/+0Yaawn, old news for me.
Ive been accessing my iPOD now for close on to a year with my default file browser (konqueror) thanks to this plugin.
http://www.kde-apps.org/content/show.php?content=11962 - deadlock, on 10/12/2007, -2/+1Just shows what you know - iPods play MP3 files natively just fine. Drag and drop is over-rated, though as I said above, you *can* d/d your files off the iPod. For organising your music iTunes is just fine.
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