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- mutt, on 10/12/2007, -3/+7"Sun is a joke. What pricing plan will they try next to get people to use their crap. My very large company has a freeze on sun hardware. We are Linux and Windows except for our legacy Solaris apps."
"Solaris better?
What a joke.
No digg for such a stupid statement.
Want the best Linux?
http://linuxfromscratch.org"
Probably starting a bit of a flame war here, but are you kidding me? You actually believe Linux is better than Solaris? Linux is powerful, and great, and wherever possible, I like to run it.
Where is my local Linux rep at 3am, when I need a new SCSI hard drive driven across the city now?
Where is my Linux rep when a piece of Linux certified software isn't working?
Sun is always prompt, and stops at nothing to correct any issue. OS, Hardware, whatever. What this sounds like folks, is all of these people who work in "BIG" companies, work for schools, 9-5 shops, or whatever. Lets ask people in the service provider industry what OS they choose? Linux or Sun? You know what, the OS is only half of what makes Sun great. But, the OS is better than Linux. No question about that, and if you believe otherwise, I ask for you to explain it.
I believe that you cannot. Solaris is far more advanced at this stage than Linux. Believe it or not. - Dopeskills, on 10/12/2007, -0/+3"Who the ***** pays money for an enterprise distro? Jesus, I wish I had a job in the IT field so that I could sit around all day while my company pays people to do all my work for me."
Global network providers (like the one I work at) will not allow unsupported software on their systems. Using a community distro is great for hobbyists, but unacceptable in the real enterprise world. - cesarcardoso, on 10/12/2007, -0/+3Who is Marc Andreessen?
Oh yes, a guy that thinks the world hasn't changed since 1996 and still heralds him as Netscape's wonderboy. Now an irrelevant Web 2.0 wannabe.
No digg. - jambarama, on 10/12/2007, -0/+2Solaris is really a lot better than it gets credit for. It was the first to offer many new and innovative features such as processor partitioning. The 8 core sun servers rock. The most stable OS out there.
There is a reason, at NASA, they don't run Linux for mission critical stuff. There it is confined to the desktop. They use Solaris. They also run versions of BSD, but real Unices (such as AIX & Solaris) are the real work horses. Solaris is REAL unix, not an OS cobbled together by hobbyists scattered all around the world.
Don't get me wrong, I'm on Debian right now, it is a terrific OS, but is should be used only on the desktop and for non-mission critical things. - Dopeskills, on 10/12/2007, -0/+2@deadbaby
Well, they are trying their best to redeem themselves. They've opened Solaris and provide their entire set of enterprise software for free. What more do you want? Most of the posters sound like they're stuck in 2002. - diggAddict, on 05/03/2009, -0/+1Linux is a morass of overlapping confusing distros.
They should just get the distro count down to 1 or 2 and forget the rest. I see linux people as people with a limited memory - constantly reinventing the same stuff again and again!! - BORING!
If the linux community actually worked together based on a strategic future together it would rock - but everyone goes in different directions with no real logic at all. - hordak, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1@Genady
You're right about zones. While I still heart Linux, Zones are the bomb! Take a server farm of 10 boxes, and consolidate them into one box with 10 zones - each running their own web server! - diggAddict, on 05/03/2009, -0/+199% of the claptrap rubbish linux fanboiz comments above are just that - pure drivel with no factual basis whatsoever. This is a good article that blows away the myths of linux and makes people wake up to the real costs of Linux in a commercial environment.
I am sorry but wake up and smell the coffee - Enterprise OS is not about a 'GUI" its about the backend services. If you want a desktop OS get a Mac. For decent enterprise services that do real work and that power the Stock Trading floors around the world, countless banks and many other enterprise solutions Solaris is it. I reckon most of the people here posting have never used Solaris, and those that have here still judge Solaris based on Solaris 8 which has EOL recently. Solaris 10 is a major improvement - its like me judging your beloved Linux on Red Hat 7.2!!
I have been in IT for over 20 years - I have been a sysadmin of many operating systems. I have managed large linux clusters for years, enterprise linux systems and large scale Solaris installations. Solaris is a way better OS based on my experience.
Its a joke to judge an Enterprise OS based on a GUI - real sysadmins depend on the command line to do most stuff - GUIs are for complete newbies - sorry but I left my training wheels behind years ago!
If you cant administer a system from the command line - you aint a sysadmin in my view - you are just a "user".
Wake up and admit it Solaris is going from strength to strength - Linux - is stuck is morass of infighting and countless reinventions of the wheel for no reason! - diggAddict, on 05/03/2009, -0/+1OpenSolaris latest release installed perfectly on my new Dell laptop. I suggest going to the HCL list and posting to the OpenSolaris forums.
- dukeinlondon, on 10/12/2007, -1/+2Whatever SUN says, Linux has replaced Solaris as recommended application server OS here. And HERE is a big place. I mean really big.
- DanFahey, on 10/12/2007, -2/+3Software is just the tool of the user...
Baby, its all love, hate and magic. I've used next to every OS out there, and I use WinXP (highly modded I add).
Whatever floats your boat! - diggAddict, on 05/03/2009, -0/+1Its not an AD its fact - you just cant handle the truth!
- liberaltugboat, on 10/12/2007, -1/+2Im not sure why everyone is bashing on Sun like they would Microsoft.
The Linux freaks here need to pull their heads out of there asses and realize that Linux is JUST A KERNAL. It would be nothing without the programs that surround it, including such key titles like Open Office and Java (both of which are from Sun) not to mention the many libraries and modules; some of which I bet Sun has had a hand in. Why can't people just use what they prefer be it Solaris, Linux, OS X, Windows, Be OS or whatever with out starting the flame war that happens every single time. - diggAddict, on 05/03/2009, -0/+1AWESOME! - you said it mate - NASA does not use Linux for mission critical ! - that about sums it up fanboiz - lap it up Solaris haters - Solaris rocks.
- sinfony, on 10/12/2007, -1/+2"Who is Marc Andreessen?"
Mark Andreessen is a man with a hell of a lot more money than you. Some of which he put into Digg, if you'll remember. - mrgadget, on 10/12/2007, -1/+2I would agree with some earlier comments that if you haven't used Solaris 10, don't even bother commenting here. My company was replacing Sun systems until recently, but Sun has done an incredible job of turning things around with open sourcing Solaris and creating an operating system that just plain outclasses all the others. Now Sun has once again become a very strategic supplier for us. Besides gaining new traction from the open source community, and the pricing advantages, we can run Solaris across from our smallest X64 based systems all the way up to our largest SPARC platforms.
- Dopeskills, on 10/12/2007, -2/+3As both a developer and admin who heavily uses Solaris 10, I fully agree with the article. How many of the people commenting on this actually have experience with Solaris 10?!?
Not to mention that it costs far less than the competing enterprise distros. - kokobaroko, on 10/12/2007, -2/+3rofl
no digg, this is stupid advertisment - paco, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1@ bigtomrodney:
> ...
> When are we going to see OpenSolaris fully Open anyway? ...
Actually there are 3 fully open distros. Here's a blog post I wrote about them recently:
http://tinyurl.com/nkdqe
The distro that I think you're referring to is Solaris Express (aka Solaris "next", or Nevada):
http://tinyurl.com/kkxwo
Eric - stoops, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1OS X for Normal Day Use, Windows for Gaming Use, FreeBSD for Server Use. Done. Your life will now be much much simpler.
- Athens101, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1Ugh... I don't even run Solaris on my Sun hardware! http://Athens101.com runs on a Ultra5 with Aurora Linux.
- Genady, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1@dope:
None of these fanbois realized that OS X was worth a ***** until they saw Alpha Geeks with PowerBooks. Give it time. Once they see what people do with Zones, ZFS and DTrace they'll come around. Just nod and smile. - rebrad, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1And the questions continue on why linux has never really made it. The linux community can't even agree among themselves on standard formats resulting in a new linux flavor almost every day. What a waste of talent and resources.
- GreenSlabOfClay, on 10/12/2007, -3/+3Solaris better?
What a joke.
No digg for such a stupid statement.
Want the best Linux?
http://linuxfromscratch.org - deadbaby, on 10/12/2007, -1/+1Memo to Sun: People use Linux because they're sick of paying for your hardware/software bundles. Linux ate your lunch, it's over, deal with it.
- pureeville, on 10/12/2007, -1/+1The great thing about Sun is that you can become a certified Solaris administrator and get a good job without all the tedium involved in actually learning unix.
- bradspry, on 10/12/2007, -4/+4*cough*
Marc Andreessen isn't exactly a credible source either.
Marc is guy who takes credit for your hard work. Marc is the I in TEAM.
You might fool some people Marc, but not me. - tadelste, on 10/12/2007, -0/+0milo: These comments are what I anticipated. And I was just getting ready to commend them on some things they said. But, I held back, knowing that with Sun anything can happen.
- brundlefly76, on 10/12/2007, -0/+0LOL he's comparing enterprise Linux.
I have owned two Linux-based startups and worked at FreeBSD company, none of them bought OS support, which is why the costs appear so high.
I run a full rack of servers under load now and even an Opteron server running linux costs about $3000 over 36 mo. - bbqribs, on 10/12/2007, -0/+0"Where is my local Linux rep at 3am, when I need a new SCSI hard drive driven across the city now? "
That has nothing to do with Linux. I've had the same level of service from Dell. We can't even get Sun to deliver some ***** CDs in a timely manner.
AOL still has a lot of Sun stuff, and so does Microsoft (No, Hotmail does NOT ***** run on FreeBSD!!! The backend is mainly Solaris & Sun hardware!) - but many many other shops are dropping Solaris in favor of Linux these days.
Notice that Sun advertises that you can run Windows Server 2003 on their boxes? Sun is trying to turn into another HP. - kalisphoenix, on 10/12/2007, -1/+1"As both a developer and admin who heavily uses Solaris 10, I fully agree with the article. How many of the people commenting on this actually have experience with Solaris 10?!?"
I've used everything since SunOS 4.1.
"Not to mention that it costs far less than the competing enterprise distros."
Who the ***** pays money for an enterprise distro? Jesus, I wish I had a job in the IT field so that I could sit around all day while my company pays people to do all my work for me. - sinfony, on 10/12/2007, -0/+0Jesus, how did that k get in there? Marc.
- macewan, on 10/12/2007, -0/+0http://news.com.com/1606-2_3-6034378.html?tag=ne.vid
- deadbaby, on 10/12/2007, -1/+1@dopeskills: That's kind of the point.. Linux is a commidity now -- everyone has experience with Linux. Sun needs to give us a reason to look at Solaris again. Just saying "uh yea it's better and stuff" isn't going to do it. Sun burned a lot of bridges with UNIX users in the 90's and they're still resented for it.
- beavord, on 10/12/2007, -2/+2*cough*
http://www.sun.com
Not really a credible source. - laurentlasalle, on 10/12/2007, -0/+0How can Solaris be a better Linux than Linux? Nothing can't be more like Subject X than Subject X! Solaris may be a better operating system than Linux, but it certainly can't quality as being a better Linux than Linux... That sentence doesn't make sense!
- harrisbradley, on 10/12/2007, -0/+0Now what exactly is the "Top 50 people under the age of 40". Top what? All I know is Marc Andreessen is a name I've heard... but my children never will.
- clevershark, on 10/12/2007, -0/+0The real problem with Solaris 10 is that I tried installing it on 3 different computers and the process has failed every time.
Maybe eventually it will be installable and I will be able to try it out, but for right now I have Linux desktops and FreeBSD servers. - CaptHarlock, on 10/12/2007, -0/+0http://www.linuxinsider.com/story/39593.html
A little old this article but alot of people need some education here...
On that note....DragonFLY (unforked 4.x) BSD rocks your momma!!!! - xtaski, on 10/12/2007, -0/+0Did anyone notice the little trick with using a Dual PROCESSOR system versus Sun's DUAL CORE SINGLE SOCKET system?? As if the rest of the IT industry hasn't figured out dual core on a single processor can process just about the same data at half the power consumption... are we all just supposed to be idiots? And who has paid that much for Linux support - does Mercedes offer Linux support now? That Sun $120 support just gets you patches... um.. yeah great support - I get patches for Linux free - never paid for a single one!
- vyoming, on 10/12/2007, -0/+0I saw Solaris 10 performing better than *2.6* on the same hardware doing the same work.
- Nihilgasm, on 10/12/2007, -0/+0I believe that the "better Linux than Linux" comment refers to Sun's belief that Solaris 10 can run any Linux binary without modification... and run it faster and more securely than any flavor of Linux will.
AFAIK, the exact same Solaris 10 installation that runs on their smallest workstation will scale up to drive their 72-processor data-center machine. I'll bet that doing that with Solaris is a lot easier (i.e. cheaper) than doing it with Debian or FreeBSD.
Sun isn't trying to get on your desktop or your little 1U .org web server, anyway. They're after people doing real work who plan to continue to do real work for a long time (e.g. eBay, NASA). Unfortunately, that means that their x86 hardware support SUCKS! - deanstevenson, on 10/12/2007, -0/+0This is an ad, not a diggable story.
- 3Den, on 10/12/2007, -1/+0Okay.. the Sunfire x64 hardware really is great, but... it runs linux really well also.
Was Linux on x64 considered as an option? - thewhitefedora, on 10/12/2007, -1/+0This is crap
- gullevek, on 10/12/2007, -2/+1oh, a sun (*cough*) article about why their OS is better. Thats like one of those studies about why MS OS is so much better than sliced bread. yeah ...
- inactive, on 10/12/2007, -1/+0i refuse to work with companys that spout SLA's and the like. it is nothing more then paper work and managment wanking over some contract they signed.
in the real world it's just another bunch of people finding reasons to blame someone else and pass thebuck. - joeljkp, on 10/12/2007, -1/+0@jambarama:
When I was at NASA Langley a couple years ago, they were putting together a Linux cluster with Shuttle boxes. I'm not sure what your definition of "mission critical" is, but Linux is definitely used to get real work done. -
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