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- yevkasem, on 10/10/2007, -4/+39no; this is completely inaccurate and misleading.
xorg 7.3 will be released in late august as stated - which has absolutely nothing to do with ubuntu. sure, the next ubuntu release won't be able to include the new version. ok, well, ...ok. i'm sure the x people couldn't care less. surprisingly, x runs on other linux distros besides ubuntu. - apikoros, on 10/10/2007, -1/+19No, it doesn't suck. A bit of patience and discretion from the developers ensures your distribution is nice and stable. Remember, this isn't Microsoft -- "Gutsy+1" doesn't mean "sometime in the next decade, after half a dozen delays": Ubuntu is committed to a six-month release schedule, so that means early Spring 2008 -- in other words, less than a year away.
- inactive, on 10/10/2007, -1/+18NO! This sucks!
- geminitojanus, on 10/10/2007, -1/+17It's not. It's a GTK+ configurator, as described by its name. Neither desktop is "superior"; both are missing critical tools and applications that we'd all love to have on the other platform. But, since Ubuntu is a GNOME distribution, they need to design and ship tools that work with GNOME, and thusly the need for display-control-gtk.
So you can stop the flamewar/superiority complex/king of the hill mentality, and let's work together to make the Free Desktop hospitable for everyone. - diggapleaze, on 10/10/2007, -3/+19actually, a quick comment about display-config-gtk: it's presently enabled in the gutsy-current and available in the System->Administration menu as "Screens and Graphics". According to the dependency tree on the spec sheet here https://blueprints.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+spec/displayconfig-gtk however, it looks like display-config-gtk is dependent on the implementation of Xorg 7.3. So I'm not sure if display-config-gtk will ship or be removed for the final gutsy release since the new Xorg isn't shipping.
btw display-config-gtk is a powerful screen resolution GUI that can handle multiple screens, changing between different video drivers, and switching between graphics settings profiles. It's a very good thing for new Linux users who don't like to/want to edit xorg.conf by hand. - Dracura, on 10/10/2007, -1/+13Hopefully we'll be able to update to Xorg 7.3 without waiting for it to be officially released with Gutsy. I'm getting fed up with my current Xorg woes.
- kazamx, on 10/10/2007, -1/+10It is a little sad how much is being pulled from Gutsy. It sounds like there won't be Compiz-Fusion on by default in the final release either.
Gutsy+1 is an LTS, so they won't be implementing too much new stuff in that release, it will all be about stability. So it could be another year before we see many of these cool features on by default.
The good news is that as this is linux we can all go out and activate all these features for ourselves the moment the OS is installed. no need to wait until the company is ready like with Windows and OSX - Kickboy, on 10/10/2007, -1/+9To me this just says it won't be installed by default... but would it really be hard to manually upgrade it? I'm sure other repositories will have the Xorg 7.3 Ubuntu Binaries long before 8.04, unless there are some system-level issues I'm not considering.
- Darkhacker, on 10/10/2007, -0/+8I like structured releases. Better than "it's ready when it's ready" that Debian typically throws out. At least with structured releases we know when something will eventually get implemented rather than having a release postponed all the time. Hell, Ubuntu might as well not have another release until 2012 since people want them to wait until they have version X of package Y.
- VinceNoir, on 10/10/2007, -2/+8Wow. Just... wow. Your comment is the most logical comment I've seen on the internet since the glory days of Usenet in the late 80s and early 90s. Kudos.
- schoate09, on 10/10/2007, -1/+7I see what you did there.
- inactive, on 10/10/2007, -6/+11For something that should have been included last year...?
- MeneerR, on 10/10/2007, -6/+11Translation: i feel superior cuz i waste my time compiling *****. And although it's completely unrelated, I wanted to take this opportunity to insult as many people as I can. I think the biggest-douche-of-the-universe has a new nominee!
- diggapleaze, on 10/10/2007, -1/+5(I was the submitter)
I feel comfortable compiling the Linux kernel, Xorg, GNOME, and Gstreamer, no problem. displayconfig-gtk is simply not a big deal for *me*, I can edit xorg.conf myself thankyou very much.
I submitted this story however because I find it a tad disappointing (if not understandable) that easy-to-use GUI configurations aren't available for many basic desktop things in Linux. I guess you could say that I don't expect everyone else to be an obsessive little Linux nerd like me or you. - GMorgan, on 10/10/2007, -0/+4Well, there is a Linux kernel and a X server in Gutsy. How do you define 'built-in'.
- Iandefor, on 10/10/2007, -1/+5Did you even read the summary?
- inactive, on 10/10/2007, -0/+4So will I be able to gksudo apt-get install display-config-gtk by late August from Gutsy, or will it not be included in the repository???
- diggapleaze, on 10/10/2007, -0/+4lol funny you mentioned Guidance...
displayconfig-gtk is incidentally just a GTK interface to Guidance, retooled for GNOME. So to answer your question, it's not superior at all, but in fact functionally identical. :)
It's a Very Good Thing when Gnome and KDE borrow things from each other. - tehkain, on 10/10/2007, -0/+4I am not sure this means no xorg 7.3, displayconfig and BulletproofX. Since we can have xorg7.3 without xserver 1.4 it seems.
- inactive, on 10/10/2007, -1/+5We have "built-in" support for KDE 4.0 in Gutsy, but it's not out yet...
- muep, on 10/10/2007, -0/+3It depends on the purpose. It does no harm to anyone to have some distros on a slower development cycle than others.
The time it takes to implement something is can be very hard to estimate. - MeneerR, on 10/10/2007, -1/+4It seems to already work with the older Xorg version. So perhaps it will just be on by default. The author is plainly wrong assuming that bullproof-X will not be implemented. It's just that, when you switch Xorg version, you need to test and develop again. So, they planned to do the Xorg upgrade _before_ finalizing those components. Now they decided not to upgrade Xorg, they still have enough time to finilize those component and they will. The little flowchart isn't a doctrine you know. It's a planning thingie.
- hugotheschmugo, on 10/10/2007, -0/+3Hmm, I am not at all sure how much of this is accurate (so I buried this story)
Quoting from ubuntuforums, see http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=528724&highlight=bulletproof+x
"BulletProofX and DisplayConfig-GTK are NOT affected. In fact displayconfig has already been implemented and bulletproofx is being deployed." - srg13, on 10/10/2007, -0/+3Why, exactly? It'll just be in the next version in another six months. It's not like a Microsoft release where it would be delayed five years...
- Vash63, on 10/10/2007, -3/+6Ok, what the *****. Ubuntu != *nix. Xorg 7.3 was not delayed - it was just removed from that version of Ubuntu. Buried for misleading title making it look like Ubuntu has some effect on Xorg's development.
- inactive, on 10/10/2007, -1/+3Really?
- earlycj5, on 10/10/2007, -0/+2Still it says Xorg 7.3 is being delayed, that is inaccurate as noted by yevkasem.
Ubuntu delays Xorg ... would be accurate. - inactive, on 10/10/2007, -0/+2I just want my Gutsy Live CD to boot OK with my ATI Mobility Radeon X1300 that is built into my notebook! I would be happy just to be able to install Ubuntu on the notebook without jumping through hoops because of xorg's current problems. BTW: I hate ATI.
https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/xorg/+bug/131799 - tehkain, on 10/10/2007, -0/+2Well the gui is 7.3 dependent... The solution that displayconfig-gtk uses was not possible with the sub 7.3 releases. Before 7.3 anything more then the dpkg reconfig would be guesswork and massively prone to failure.
- pdiddle, on 10/10/2007, -0/+2Why does this article make it seem like Xorg 7.3 has been delayed? Xorg isn't working off of the Ubuntu release schedule, there's a lot more distro's out there which will have it. Distro's like Gentoo which don't work off of a release cycle to group package, once you install it you're always up to date.
Besides, according to a phoronix.com article, it's xserver 1.4 which will make it into Ubuntu around Spring 2008, not 1.3 which is out this month.
http://www.phoronix.com/?page=news_item&px=NTk4OQ - KloroFormd, on 10/10/2007, -1/+3So far every Ubuntu distro I've used defaulted to nv.
- Vektuz, on 10/10/2007, -3/+5Huh. And the whole x-with-composite-actually-working-properly-for-once was the entire reason I was looking forward to gutsy.
Oh well - srg13, on 10/10/2007, -0/+2That should still work, it just might take some tinkering with your Xorg.conf if you have an ATI card... composite-by-default is still included, and it should work fine with Intel graphics, or nVidia if you enable the binary driver.
- diggapleaze, on 10/10/2007, -0/+2actually displayconfig-gtk does *not* work (in any "shipping" sense) yet because many of the functions are being developed alongside the development of Xorg 7.3. This is why several things are greyed out in the GUI, and why the multimonitor support isn't working in any meaningful sense. displayconfig-gtk clearly is meant to work in conjunction with Xorg 7.3.
I concede that bulletproof-X will probably make Gutsy's release, however. I misunderstood because the flowchart says very clearly "Dependency Tree", and lists Xorg 7.3 as a dependency for bulletproof-X, and Xorg 7.3 is not shipping. displayconfig-gtk is another story altogether though... - Skeithy, on 10/10/2007, -1/+3This isn't really a huge issue, if the next release of xorg would have been left out of 8.04 (the next LTS release) by a couple weeks then I might be upset. But in 6 months it will be in the next release, and it will be a standard update for Gutsy within a few weeks of its release.
- Xilon, on 10/10/2007, -1/+3Ohhhh so Ubuntu Gutsy won't get Xorg 7.3... The title is absolutlely misleading and has it backwards, I was about to drop a few WMDs on people...
Well... who cares? It's gonna be in the repos either way, and I'm using a rolling release distro which will get me the server before Ubuntu will come out. - inactive, on 10/10/2007, -0/+1OK, the title is a little misleading... We get it, but the summary says what they are trying to point out. Besides, this is in response to a Digg front page article that came out claiming just the opposite.
- renegadeafk, on 10/10/2007, -0/+1every feature I was waiting for in gutsy is being pulled.
- inactive, on 10/10/2007, -0/+1Really? /Sarcasm
- ha1f, on 10/10/2007, -0/+1actually, i didnt ignore the package manager. i made a comment about that up near the top and got dugg down too. ***** the fanboys. this is why linux will never be anything great. you cant critisize with out getting tarred and feathered.
- inactive, on 10/10/2007, -0/+1I'm with you... While I can reconfigure my xorg manually, I would prefer not to if I don't have to, unless of course it's an emergency and I need to. It never hurts to have experience, but to have to do this often is simply a waste of time. In a business environment, time is money.
- inactive, on 10/10/2007, -0/+1Hey sorry for calling you a dick, but you did come off a little bit cocky. Anyway, I was hoping to have a GUI for this for the "older" xorg version(s) a year ago... That is all I was trying to say.
- hugotheschmugo, on 10/10/2007, -0/+1Right, this story is totally inaccurate (as most of you probably know already) -- see the message from the Ubuntu X maintainer on: http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?p=3223971#post3223971
Phew! - SmSpillaz, on 10/10/2007, -0/+1Composite-By-Default?
- SmSpillaz, on 10/10/2007, -3/+4OpenSUSE 10.3 FTW!
- diggapleaze, on 10/10/2007, -2/+3read the description: "Xorg 7.3 slated for August 29, too late for gutsy."
I would've made the title of the submission "Xorg 7.3 inclusion into Gutsy delayed until Ubuntu's April release, Bullet-proof-X postponed" but digg won't allow titles that long. So I had to shorten it to "Xorg 7.3 delayed until Ubuntu's April release, Bullet-proof-X postponed". I anticipated your complaint, which is why I was sure to put "Xorg 7.3 slated for August 29, too late for gutsy" into the description. :) - GMorgan, on 10/10/2007, -0/+1Because an extra 6 months for 7.3 would absolutely kill us all. I could understand the reluctance if Ubuntu cost money but it doesn't.
- morphie, on 10/10/2007, -0/+1Hey, it's still Xorg. It's not as if Xorg 7.3 is going to make everything ok...
- srg13, on 10/10/2007, -1/+2Yeah, it defaults to nv, and only uses the blobs if you enable them in the 'Restricted Drivers Manager'
- SteveMax, on 10/10/2007, -0/+1What is this "Gentoo" you speak of? Is that a new version of Ubuntu? What do you mean by "other distros"?
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