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- AirRaven, on 10/12/2007, -7/+47You want to put a *CONFIGURATION* tool into GNOME?
Are you out of your mind? Stop confusing the users! - AnteChronos, on 10/12/2007, -2/+32The only problem is that the few times I've needed to edit my X.org config were those occasions where the X server wouldn't start, which would render the existence of a cool whizzbang GTK-based GUI configuration tool moot.
- 98acura, on 10/12/2007, -7/+34Down, and none of the mirrors had a chance to grab it... "Digg.com, worlds best DDoS attack."
- Darkhacker, on 10/12/2007, -3/+29I think it is a step in the right direction and it looks beautiful. I'm not trashing the project in anyway as I think it looks like it could do a much better job managing display settings than anything currently available, however I still feel as though open drivers and auto-detection is the proper way of handling these issues in the long term. I think this tool should not be included to solve the current problem with graphics drivers in Linux, but rather because it is far more powerful and configurable than the limited display settings found in most distributions. I just wanted to point this out because some of the comments on the linked page seem to rally support for this as the solution to display issues with closed source drivers rather than as just another tool to change common settings with.
- inactive, on 10/12/2007, -0/+24Wrong. Linux is about choice.
- h0ly, on 10/12/2007, -0/+21That should happen with X.org 7.3, around May 2007. At least it's what the Road-map says:
http://wiki.x.org/wiki/ChangesForX11R73
And I can hardly wait :) - geminitojanus, on 10/12/2007, -2/+21"How about a better CLI tool? Seriously, the odds of needing to configure x.org from within gnome are slim to none, but xorg-config sucks."
What about this? Why don't we leave the tool in GNOME, then if the boot-up autodetection of the drivers doesn't work, nothing's working right, we do what other Operating Systems do, and run X with a VESA-compliant driver. This gets us to GNOME, where we can use the GUI tool to configure X, and then restart X. No command line configuration necessary. - bruenig, on 10/12/2007, -5/+21Oh yes, there is nothing easier to configure than windows registry.
/sarcasm - mrsticks, on 10/12/2007, -4/+13You must have a typo...
That's "vi /etc/X11/xorg.conf".
/half-sarcastic - OneAndOnlySnob, on 10/12/2007, -2/+10Nothing like using a GUI tool to fix your xwindows server when it's broken...
xorg 7.3 will solve most x configuration problems anyway. - GMorgan, on 10/12/2007, -0/+8Depends how it is used surely. The GUI is vital for the desktop, it is nice to have a powerful CLI for the cases where you can use it effectively but it is the mixed environment that makes Linux so interesting. Essentially Linux is GUI and CLI while Windows is limited to a GUI only world with a fraction of the power.
- NinjaBoy, on 10/12/2007, -0/+8ok thats just funny. There are going to be 80 different ways of configuring products, non of witch will work cooperatively. Sometimes its best to just work on the existing tools instead of making "Yet Another (insert tool)"
- SmokedL, on 10/12/2007, -0/+7"This is nice. Can't wait till x.org can do dynamic configuration."
Amen to that. Once you have that implemented correctly, the worst that an incorrect configuration change should be able to do to you is to kick you back to a low resolution generic driver. Just the fact that you would remain in a GUI environment with all the GUI tools available would make trouble shooting Xorg configuration problems orders of magnitude easier, especially for the less than knowledgeable user.
No longer will a minor mistake setting up Xorg.conf or a binary driver leave the novice user with nothing but a prompt that they do not know how to use. Now they will get an informative error message and be returned to their original configuration. Add to that a GUI tool to perform the configuration, and the ease of configuring Xorg has made a quantum leap forwards.
I consider this to be one of the most important developments of the last 5 years in terms of enabling less savvy users to switch to Linux, and in easing the pain of mistakes to those that already are using Linux. - shizeon, on 10/12/2007, -3/+10This is nice. Can't wait till x.org can do dynamic configuration, then something like this will be even more needed.
- RoboDonut, on 10/12/2007, -0/+6@wolferz
I don't think that the average grandmother could even use the GUI tool, or for that matter, understand what a resolution or refresh rate is. The average grandmother probably won't be messing with that stuff, she's going to ask her more tech-savvy relatives to do it for her. You only have to learn how to edit an xorg.conf once. After that, you can do a lot more by editing the file directly than any GUI tool would allow you to do. - Yoshi39, on 10/12/2007, -0/+6"With a Bulletproof X configuration (one that _always_ universally falls back to VESA), you would virtually always get to a GUI, to where you can use a GUI configuration tool. It's a shame more people are working on things like Beryl than making X bulletproof."
That will be available in 2 months (may) when xorg 7.3 is released
http://wiki.x.org/wiki/ChangesForX11R73 - inactive, on 10/12/2007, -1/+7This has been long overdue. This plus bulletproof X in feisty.
- bejayel, on 10/12/2007, -0/+6Ubuntu isnt the only user base that uses gnome. I, for one, prefer gnome and i am a gentoo user.
- coredump0x01, on 10/12/2007, -0/+6Resolution problems are usually caused by incorrect refresh rates specified in xorg.conf. After I specified the correct values for my monitor I was able to get the widescreen resolution. You need to find out what the refresh rate is and specify it in xorg.conf.
- heavyal, on 10/12/2007, -2/+8I think AirRaven was being sarcastic. It is well known that the GNOME developers hold strongly to the 'keep it simple, stupid' method of gui implementation. There are pros and cons to this approach but I personally find that I'd rather have to dig around in config files for special functionality rather than have it constantly overloading my interface as is the case with anything in KDE.
- Ngai, on 10/12/2007, -1/+6Mirror:
http://duggmirror.com//linux_unix/X_org_configuration_tool_GUI_written_in_GTK/plain.html
Give it a second then press OK when it asks to disable the AJAX and CSS. - fdemmer, on 10/12/2007, -0/+5there were times when nano users were not considered nerds, but quite the opposite... what has the world become...
- geminitojanus, on 10/12/2007, -1/+6"The only problem is that the few times I've needed to edit my X.org config were those occasions where the X server wouldn't start"
With a Bulletproof X configuration (one that _always_ universally falls back to VESA), you would virtually always get to a GUI, to where you can use a GUI configuration tool. It's a shame more people are working on things like Beryl than making X bulletproof. - jhuebel, on 10/12/2007, -0/+4@patpl: "Windows Registry is just WRONG IMPLEMENTATION of VERY GOOD IDEA. Project Elektra is going to be good implementation"
I always cringe when I see someone comment on what an app "is going to be". The reality is that it currently isn't a good implementation. Besides, the "perfect" configuration tool is a subjective thing. - tech42er, on 10/12/2007, -0/+4It's not THAT difficult to edit it via CLI.
- phatmikey, on 10/12/2007, -0/+4You also need to feck about with it to get your extra mouse buttons working. xorg.conf isn't just for the display.
- inactive, on 10/12/2007, -1/+5What exactly is so special? SuSE has been doing this using SaX2 since Suse8.1
http://en.opensuse.org/SDB:X_Server_Configuration_with_SaX2_(8.1_or_Higher)
I don't really see the point in having a graphical tool for configuring X in the first place, it kind of defeats the point. And using a toolkit like GTK probably isn't the smartest decision, as some people prefer other frameworks. - bigtomrodney, on 10/12/2007, -0/+4If it automatically launched in ncurses when there is no X server running like SUSE's YaST. That said I would rather see the upcoming dynamic X server that configures itself, and/or as an aside a fallback for to your previous configuration in the case you do set something up manually and it doesn't work.
- wolferz, on 10/12/2007, -2/+6Your right! Ubuntu is far too user friendly. We need to make it more complicated and cryptic so that only us computer gurus can use it. After all if normal people use Linux then that means Linux users are not necessarily 1337. I don't think I could handle not being 1337. /sarcasm
I'm tempted to believe your being sarcastic. Something tells me you aren't.
Windows sucks because its insecure. Windows sucks because it's proprietary. Windows sucks cause its unreliable. Windows sucks because it is the spawn of the devil (ie Microsoft). I can acknowledge all these points of view as having validity. However, Windows is still an easy to use operating system. It is highly standardized, highly compatible, and highly user friendly. If your gona nock Ubuntu for attempting to achieve ease of use based on that making them more like Windows then you seriously need to back off on the anti-microsoft fanboyism.
For the average Joe the CLI is more evil than a BSOD ever will be. No wonder Linux isn't making much head way in the mainstream... - SimonGray, on 10/12/2007, -0/+4Does anyone have a working link to some screen shots?
- phatmikey, on 10/12/2007, -0/+4Red Hat also uses Gnome by default, so does Novell. Let's try not to kick-off a flame war though.
- Robotsu, on 10/12/2007, -0/+3..gee, and to think it only took over a decade....
- democracysucks, on 10/12/2007, -8/+11Your comment is sort of ironic. While it's true that Gnome developers like the "keep it simple" way of doing things, I find that KDE users are generally unable to figure out how to configure Gnome at all. Gnome keeps the interface simple, but the underlying machine is quite powerful.
- vhold, on 10/12/2007, -0/+3I mess with my resolutions a lot...
Custom timings for my HDTV's vga input to eliminate overscan.
Switching between dual-screen, clone-screen when using the HDTV.
Switching between dual-screen, single screen when docking/undocking laptop.
These are things that are relatively easy in windows... It's been awhile since I used linux as a desktop, but it was basically impossible to switch between such modes without entirely restarting X. - baalzebub, on 10/12/2007, -1/+4a gui config tool for X, who ever uses it better get it right the first time or you will be editing xorg.conf in the dark (CLI)
- antiNeo, on 10/12/2007, -0/+3For me, Linux isn't about the interface... it isn't even about the security, flexibility, or design. It's the peace of mind I get knowing that the code sitting on my hard drive is controlled by the community rather than by some corporation that might chew me out at any moment in order to make a quick buck. It's the freedom I have to tweak my OS and then share it with the world. I could be running the worst OS on the plannet and still not give a damn, as long as I have my freedom. (boy am I glad Vista isn't GPL...)
- Urusai, on 10/12/2007, -0/+3Yeah, it should support Lesstif, the only real widget set.
- DonCarcharo, on 10/12/2007, -0/+2Eh mod me down. I've edited my xorg.conf file many times in Ubuntu while dabbling with Beryl it's not like this is some unsubstantiated flame. The fact remains that this is not something the average user feels comfortable doing. Moreover the fact that when I asked for help on the topic everyone was like, "didn't you vi /etc/X11/xorg.conf" leads me to believe that the average Linux user assumes this answer should have come naturally to me.
I realize that to capable Linux users it seems incredibly natural to use a CLI based text editor to configure conf files when tweaking any system level settings but the rest of the world likes control panels. Hard to believe but it's true. - inactive, on 10/12/2007, -0/+2This is great, i was just telling someone the other day about how much of a pain it is to try to edit the xorg all the time. I always seem to screw it up and then have to replace it, often. Still haven't figured out how to do dual monitor display with an ati. *wishes ubuntu had better dual monitor support* ive tried "big desktop" to no avail.
- inactive, on 10/12/2007, -0/+2That BulletProofX kind of sounds intriguing, except I can think of various laptops which will not boot to X regardless of what module the Xserver falls back to. I can pretty much guarantee that it won't be "bulletproof", but I suppose it will be a good start.
- Philodox, on 10/12/2007, -0/+2I don't know if this is still the case, but I used to have to add resolutions for my monitor.
- Sicarul, on 10/12/2007, -0/+2@SmokedL:
I quite guess this is because of this "Linux for home users" movement that is quite new to Linux, which is waaay cool, i can't wait to see if sometime in the future you could see distributions of free(as in freedom) systems everywhere(Yeah, i don't care if it's Linux, Haiku, GPL'ed Solaris, ReactOS, or whatever) =D - schoate09, on 10/12/2007, -7/+9How about a better CLI tool? Seriously, the odds of needing to configure x.org from within gnome are slim to none, but xorg-config sucks.
- fleabag, on 10/12/2007, -1/+3uh.. this has been around in fedora for a long time
# system-config-display
GG - sirhomer, on 10/12/2007, -2/+4sudo nano /etc/X11/xorg.conf
then fix problem
then type "startx" - inactive, on 10/12/2007, -0/+2My gripe about it being GTK, is that many people like to only use one toolkit, and don't like to muck up their system with the extra crap. I know many fellow Arch Linux users who run only GTK, and won't touch QT with a ten foot pole and vice versa. What they should've done is used a more generic toolkit, like Xarchiver does, or Xsmbrowser.
- sterken, on 10/12/2007, -0/+2Why is it that Windows seems to handle these problems so well? What is Windows doing that X isn't? I run Ubuntu on my desktop, but little things like this wear on me.
I'm not trolling, it's a serious question. I hope one day that Ubuntu is easy enough to install/configure without diving into the command line. Personally, I'm ok with command line, but there is a huge number of users that aren't comfortable with it. - generalloy, on 10/12/2007, -0/+2wait for x.org 7.3 for (Easy) dual monitor/projector support
- h0ly, on 10/12/2007, -2/+4Dude, it's Free Software. If you don't like it, don't use it.
But if you want to know why a lot of people care, it's because it makes a lot of sense with Bullet-Proof-X:
https://wiki.ubuntu.com/BulletProofX - pivovy, on 10/12/2007, -1/+3vi is the best xorg configuration tool
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