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- amoore2600, on 08/20/2008, -3/+58The title of the article is a little misleading. The XBMC is by far the best (non-PVR) media center for Linux. XBMC blows Gee box, Elisa, and Entertainer out of the water. The XBMC is very customizable with Skins, Networking, lirc, and over all hacking.
The Ubuntu PPA repository for the XBMC is stable for the most part. I have about 1 crash every 2 weeks and It daily.
This is a wonderful application, the XBMC DEV Team should be very proud! keep up the good work.
- sn0wmis3r, on 08/20/2008, -0/+53From XBMC's website: "Note! This is an initial Linux port. It does not yet include all the features of XBMC. Don't expect too much."
Why is the author ripping on an unfinished app. Wait for the final linux release, THEN review it. - CharlesSaint, on 08/20/2008, -2/+37This title = Misleading Fail...
- arcticblue, on 08/20/2008, -2/+31so wait, does it lack impressive features or not?
- khatarnaak, on 08/20/2008, -0/+21This isn't linux crashing, it's XBMC - a media centre compiled and being ported by enthusiasts who take no wage for their efforts. The porting over to linux is still very much a work-in-progress.
- Rossimo, on 08/20/2008, -0/+18It is kind of a low blow to criticize developing projects like this. XBMC is an amazing piece of software, I've used both the the XBox and Linux versions. The features the writer wants will come, he's just impatient.
- lowtolerance, on 08/20/2008, -2/+13You moron. He didn't say that linux crashes, he said that XBMC crashes. I think a linux user must have really hurt your feelings in your past, because you seem really bitter. Or maybe you tried linux and couldn't find the start menu?
- refugeechris, on 08/20/2008, -0/+10Buried as inaccurate.
- TheGreatBelow, on 08/20/2008, -2/+12XBMC > *
- JCH897, on 08/20/2008, -1/+10Stupid title. XBMC is the ***** anyway, so I don't really care to get upset over it. How else would I stream pronz to my tv?
- Yookji, on 08/20/2008, -0/+9If an application crashes in Windows, it can bring down the entire system, however if an application crashes in Linux, the rest of the system is safe.
- lowtolerance, on 08/20/2008, -1/+10I would say that no, it doesn't lack impressive features, but script support could use some work. As for the ftp and http server, I think linux already has more than enough support for that.
- mrsteveman1, on 08/20/2008, -2/+11This fanboy ***** needs to stop. Lets review now shall we?
I've personally watched Linux kernel panic a bunch of times, usually because of some driver error. Most recently the zd1211rw driver caused the entire system to freeze about one week ago, on 8.04.1.
I've watched OS X Leopard panic, freeze and otherwise crash a few times. Last time it was VMwares network kext driver (unloading it fixed things).
I've seen Windows bluescreen a bunch, usually 3rd party drivers at this point but in the past because of other things as well, even applications themselves a while back (before XP i think).
Stuff crashes when it doesn't work right, now STFU. - PhailQuail, on 08/20/2008, -3/+11I wish that XBMC implements a MythTV frontend, if it had that (and I mean a proper implementation, no crappy scripts) than I would still be using it.
One feature I particularly enjoyed when using XBMC on the Xbox was the ability to fast-forward and re-wind at different speeds when using the pressure sensitive shoulder buttons. - inactive, on 08/20/2008, -1/+8Title is misleading. Let's dig quality over quantity, okay optimus?
- cquilliam, on 08/20/2008, -1/+8That hasn't been my experience at all. I have found that XBMC has worked flawlessly on my Ubuntu 8.04 64bit install, it does just about everything I want it to do, and does it nicely. And the best part of it is, it looks freakin amazing on my computer lcd. For so long I was used to using XBMC on my xbox plugged into a crappy CRT tv, I had no idea it could look this good. Whenever I use it around other people, they are very impressed by it.
Anyways, I dugg you up anyways. Just because I haven't experienced what you have, doesn't mean your points aren't valid and may very well be experienced by many others. - djchester, on 08/20/2008, -3/+10Depends what impresses you. Tip of the day for you: Read the article.
- Rossimo, on 08/20/2008, -3/+9It is kind of a low blow to criticize developing projects like this. XBMC is an amazing piece of software, I've used both the the XBox and Linux versions. The features the writer wants will come, he's just impatient.
- onesojourner, on 08/20/2008, -1/+7xbmc is far better than myth for my needs, its also much easier to set up. Not to mention it is 100 times better looking than any media center out there.
http://www.aeonproject.com/dropbin/aeonstark_skyli ... - jerkychew, on 08/20/2008, -0/+6You can add a mythbox to your video sources by using the mythtv:// prefix, providing the option has been compiled in. Search the XBMC forums or the Mythtv-users mailing list archives for the full syntax.
I agree that it would be nice to have a Myth FE on XBMC but as a workaround I've added an XBMC link to my MythTV menu (It's just an xml file) and I can launch XBMC while inside MythTV. - cquilliam, on 08/20/2008, -0/+6I think its amazing how they ported as much as they did in such little time. Not only that, but to Linux, Windows and OS X.
- Rossimo, on 08/20/2008, -0/+6dammit.
- kwilliam, on 08/20/2008, -0/+5Who uses Blu-Ray?
- taseedorf, on 08/20/2008, -1/+6Some people complain about XBMC..... well, *****, its open source so learn to write code or ***** off.
- inactive, on 08/20/2008, -0/+5I current run XBMC on my XBOX. I will upgrade to a dedicated Linux machine once XBMC is fully cooked for that platform. I know it will rock... just give 'em enough time.
- SupaDawg, on 08/20/2008, -2/+7I've been doing some pretty extensive testing of Atlantis (Current feature frozen version of XBMC). With the notable inability to test the current osx version, i've dug deep into the Windows, Linux and Xbox versions.
The native xbox version is still by far the best. While development has moved on to focus heavily on the PC versions, the xbox version retains all that makes it great. It's essentially the same app on the xbox as it was a year ago, just very polished.
While i was having some luck with the Linux version (under Ubuntu64.. I have heard it works better under 32bit), I have had some solid issues. As of the current nightlies,XBMC for Linux no longer sees my USB hard drives in linux, and also refuses to scale properly to my screen.
The Windows version in its current state is great. Not even a few months ago it was missing a lot of small features that rendered it unusable. It still has a whole lot of ground to make up before it surpasses other media center apps in Windows, but it is making great strides. My only complaint is that it still functions rather slowly on a large library.
If you haven't used XBMC in a while, give it another try. It might not be the best out there, but it's getting there. And it is by far one of the best looking media center apps.
And check out the "MediaStream" skin. One of the most beautiful skins around (included with the latest T3CH Xbox SVN build) - yuvalt, on 08/20/2008, -0/+4Bad bad article. Misleading. Wrong.
- arcticblue, on 08/20/2008, -0/+4If the title says it "lacks impressive features" then you would think that is what the article is about. This is not the case though. It goes on to talk about how great it is and how much better it is than everything else. Then, finally at the bottom, they have a single tiny section about what it lacks.
- hidetoshi, on 08/21/2008, -0/+4Full credit to the XBMC team
- Hermmunster, on 08/20/2008, -0/+4I own and operate a computer repair store. My job is to diagnose and repair computer issues. I see very few Win98 machines in my shop, yet I do have one from a customer at this time. I also sell and build custom machines that primarily get WinXP installed.
It is very common to see BSODs still to this day on WinXP and to some extent the Vista equivalent.
I would gather I have enormously more experience than you and I would venture that I see more computer related problems than you. I would also venture to say that I have a better attention span than you.
BSODs are most often caused by hardware failures and driver issues..
Now that you have that firmly in your mind, my comments regarding BSODs were in regards to fault tolerance. I guess I get to submit it again to all the readers given that you have created a Streisand effect. That is: Linux is much more fault tolerant than Windows XP, and even Vista.
Here's sort of a parable that is really a true story. When Lee Iacocca joined Chrysler he fired most, if not all, of the executive level people. His reasoning was that once you set your mind to a specific way of doing things you likely will never be able to be retrained out of those habits. If was easier for him to start over with new minds than it was to try to retrain the existing personnel.
As far as specific issues are concerned my post above also covered that. All OSes evolve and it takes time. There was a time when very few if any printers worked under Windows. There was a time when every program had to have drivers developed for each printer model. Printing has been and continues to be an issue though it is not as big an issue as it used to be. This goes for both the Windows machines and Linux, and the Mac, and any other OS.
It would be silly to say that Linux doesn't fit any of your needs, but alas, you didn't say that. But anyone reading it would see it implied that way. What I see as your issue isn't with the needs not being filled, it is with your lack of willingness to learn new things. It may not fit every need you have as no operating system can or will, but it does fit your needs (so to speak) even if you won't admit it. Also, you don't take criticism well. You attack rather than reason. So, all I can conclude from your commentary is that you are angry that someone had something reasonable to say about a product you are biased against.
I have set Linux up for many elderly people. The proviso is that they will have to take time to learn it. To date, not one of them have said that they are going back to Windows. It isn't that they don't go back to Windows, it is that they find that they are happy with what Linux does for them. Linux does 99% of what 90% of us want. It satisfies the needs of everyone in some way. - jerkychew, on 08/20/2008, -0/+4LinuxMCE requires very specific hardware and it's built on MythTV anyways. Just roll Mythbuntu and you can run it on a much bigger range of hardware.
- PainToad, on 08/20/2008, -0/+4XBMC Response:
http://xbmc.org/forum/showthread.php?p=211761#post ... - vagarach, on 08/20/2008, -1/+5I don't know why these people are complaining, it's a work-in-progress port, so it'll come in time!
- bevans, on 08/20/2008, -0/+4The articles author's blog "Lacks Impressive Features"
http://geekybodhi.net/blog/
XBMC is the only reason there is still an Xbox in my living room. - BLKMGK, on 08/20/2008, -0/+3Long ways to go on XBOX?! Sounds like you need to update! I seldom run into issues on the XBOX and the reason for the port was HD video - the 700mhz P3 (!!) on the XBOX is too damned slow for HD video.
- kazamx, on 08/20/2008, -0/+3There are like 2 guys working on the Linux port (maybe more now) Both guys had full time jobs and families and could only work on the port in their spare time. there have been numerous stories on Digg where they have asked for more help. They have the skills to do it all, but not the time.
It seems that even with very little help these guys have almost ported everything. its an amazing achievement. - seandfeeney, on 08/20/2008, -0/+3I use the latest Ushare on ubuntu 8.04.1 and it works great!
- D_Rock, on 08/20/2008, -0/+3There is a xbmc myth tv plugin. I've been using it for over a year now.
http://sourceforge.net/projects/xbmcmythtv - depro9, on 08/20/2008, -1/+4BOXEE is a fork of XBMC
- jerkychew, on 08/20/2008, -0/+3Nvidia works better because:
A) ATI Lists MythTV as "unsupported" on their knowledgebase, causing Linux devs to run away screaming.
B) Even though Nvidia's proprietary driver is closed source, it works very well with Linux and has a nice happy install script that I've used on Fedora and Ubuntu.
C) Nvidia works very well with XVMC, which uses your GPU to render HD. I've got a $30 fanless GeForce 5200 card in my MythTV/XBMC box and it runs beautifully. - Evi1d33d, on 08/20/2008, -1/+4I hope they port it to PS3 linux next. I know PS3 works just fine as a multimedia player but it lacks some of the flexibility (sub/audio delay, custom zoom and stretching, skins, etc.) and number of supported codecs (.MKV, .RM, etc.).
- Protoss, on 08/20/2008, -0/+3Thats one project in the Summer of Code, so hopefully by Xmas we'll have a nice frontend integrated!
- sexybobo, on 08/20/2008, -0/+3@amenic
it is an alpha of course it is going to have trouble. - HillerMylife, on 08/20/2008, -0/+2I'm glad you mentioned this. I'm building a HTPC and Boxee (from the limited info I've found about it) seems like *exactly* the software I'm looking for! I hope it matures into something amazing.
- Arkz, on 08/20/2008, -0/+2What? ...no serious WHAT? XBMC is a homebrew programme.. MS has nothing to do with it
- BLKMGK, on 08/20/2008, -0/+2Why are you not using the included Build.sh script? It is working FINE on my G35 based hardware - brand new stuff at the time it was purchased. So long as Ubuntu supports the chipset I'm good to go. Digital out? Works great on my box. ATI? Well, ask ATI why their drivers suck and we'd all know the answer to that! The devs have been pulling their hair out on this and working hard to fix it. Meanwhile I went and got a $70 NVIDIA card and it works PERFECTLY.
Sounds to me like you're one of those people who grab something, try it once without researching or reading directions, and then move on to something else while proclaiming that the other thing SUX. Sadly sometimes idiots listen and miss out on a good thing as a result - BLKMGK, on 08/20/2008, -0/+2Yes, MCE remote from ZipZoomFly - is what I use for a receiver with a HARMONY remote. Pretty much PnP with Lirc under Ubuntu 32bit.
- etruscan, on 08/20/2008, -0/+2Would love to see it run on the PS3... which is the best candidate for "media center" in the current console lineup and would be made even better by being able to run XBMC (or... PSMC?)
- BLKMGK, on 08/20/2008, -0/+2Don't hold your breathe. there's a long thread about this in the Dev area on the forums. For now it ain't happening but it might see an ARM port first - who knows. Video acceleration is an issue on the PS3
- flxfxp, on 08/20/2008, -1/+3tl;dr
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