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XBMC recruiting developers for Linux port

xboxmediacenter.com — Just been announced, Team XBMC wants Linux developers to help them with the porting of the award winning XBMC to the Linux platform

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  • froglars, on 10/11/2007, -33/+6I came.
    • infango, on 10/11/2007, -31/+3mi 2
    • rm999, on 10/11/2007, -25/+2I don't understand the point - isn't XBMC theoretically more constrained than a typical Linux media player? Why port from XBOX to Linux instead of the other way around?

      I have never used XBMC, but it seems like something must be better about it - what?
    • Protoss, on 10/11/2007, -2/+37XBMC is just all in one. Instead of just putting all these apps together, it would be the killer app for multimedia on Linux.
      MythTV is awesome, but it needs some work on just regular video watching, which XBMC excels at.
    • thund3rstruck, on 10/11/2007, -3/+21"I don't understand the point "

      I understand you have never used XBMC so you don't understand how amazing the XBMC feat really was. It's the nicest, cleanest, hacker-friendly media center I've ever used to date. But I must admit that partly the reason it's so incredible is that it runs on an xbox, which boots in less than one second, fits nicely in any entertainment cabinet, and uses minimal power.

      This port would be awesome for appliance type PC devices that you connect directly to your stereo but not for full blown PCs since there are already fantastic media centers for Linux. I see this working really well in an OSS version of squeezebox or Sonos Digital Music Systems.
    • drakethegreat, on 10/11/2007, -11/+4The reason is obvious except that there is already MythTV for Linux and it is already more robust then XBMC since it has DVR capabilities in it already. So whats the point of porting another media player to compete with it? I think the XBMC staff should contribute and integrate features from XBMC into MythTV given both are OSS. Thats what would happen in an ideal world but of course nothing is stopping them from creating a seperate program to compete.
    • mooninite, on 10/11/2007, -10/+4"MythTV is awesome, but it needs some work on just regular video watching"

      MythTV uses ffmpeg. Any video that you can play with ffmpeg you can play with MythTV.

      It should be able to do "regular video watching" without any problem. Maybe you were using an old MythTV?
    • Wireddd, on 10/11/2007, -4/+18MythTV has lots of problems, they are mostly related to the crummy frontend which is a slow, buggy, memory hog
    • ibis, on 10/11/2007, -3/+12Mythtv can _play_ videos, sure. But the interface for browsing through downloaded divx type stuff is pretty average (and the music plugin is just utterly terrible). For what it's worth I use myth as a PVR and love it, but use XBMC to actually watch everything, including stuff I've recorded with myth, because the XBMC interface is nicer.

      I'd rather see effort put in to making a nice music plugin and a nice "watching videos that I have sitting on the network somewhere" plugin for myth, but obviously this isn't something the XBMC guys care about.
    • duggworthy, on 10/11/2007, -7/+1Honestly I think XBMC should remain to be a console based application.

      on another note, what are they going to name it? It sure isn't going to be called Xbox Media Center
    • EbilPhish, on 10/11/2007, -0/+4This would be awesome, I'm suprised it hasn't been done sooner since its built on OpenSource stuff like Python and Samba, there was a Windows version done a while back called Media Portal.

      It would really need TV Tuner support to complete it though. There was XBMC mythtv frontend plugin around but it was horribly unstable (I never got live tv working). If a decent MythTV intergration could be whipped up, this would be awesome.
    • dBLiSS, on 10/11/2007, -0/+1Don't forget it also has the great feature of streaming videos from RAR/ZIP files. No need to unzip/unrar movies or videos downloaded.
    • apoc06, on 10/11/2007, -0/+1when i first read the title, i thought they meant porting it to the ps3 linux. not THAT would be one hell of a killer app exclusive for sony to steal!

      BUT... of course sony isnt that smart. without GPU access, it wouldnt make much sense XBMC would be pretty crippled, but it would have been a great idea if they could find a way.

      *file this under: yet another reason to enable GPU access in ps3 linux.
  • itraces, on 10/11/2007, -19/+2mi 3
  • schestowitz, on 10/11/2007, -19/+12Hmmm... seems like organic digging is going on here, but if the project needs developers, then it's probably worth it.
    • ArchieAndrews, on 10/11/2007, -10/+5What does organic digging even mean?

      If this was an article about how MS screwed Novell 15 years ago, would it be a legit submission then?
    • kris33, on 10/11/2007, -3/+14I think he meant orgasmic
    • geminitojanus, on 10/11/2007, -8/+2"What does organic digging even mean?"

      "Organic" as an adjective is used somewhat uncommonly to refer to "slow, steady growth", because that's how plants normally are, slow and steady. "Organic growth" is a term used in business meaning "growing the company through sales" vs. mergers and acquisitions. One can only assume that this is the meaning intended here.
    • schestowitz, on 10/11/2007, -2/+2What I meant to say is that the many of those who (initially) Dugg this did not appear like Digg 'regulars'. There are other examples where groups or companies jointly promote a submission that serves them, but, but, but... as I said I AM BY NO MEANS COMPLAINING. :-)
  • dailydisco, on 10/11/2007, -1/+35I have to admit that I like XBMC for the xbox and am really excited that the development team has decided to open the project up for other platforms. Hope there are some people out there who can help!
    • WolfDV, on 10/11/2007, -0/+19I agree this is good . . . eventually we will have the wonderful XBMC ui on all our high-end home theatre pc's . . running all those HD-vids in all their glory . . with a nice frontend to boot
    • greysun, on 10/11/2007, -1/+12I have a feeling that, leaving the cozy back woods cottage that is homogenous hardware, it will be much easier said than done. I own three xboxes with XBMC on them and love it, but most of the troubles I had with MythTV and Freevo were getting the hardware to do what they're supposed to do.

      Regardless, good luck Team XBMC!
    • BLKMGK, on 10/11/2007, -0/+3@Greysun... Read the XBMC support forum concerning this - they are PLANNING to restrict the hardware support.. It will still be designed to run on other than the selected hardware platform but no support will be provided. aTV hardware, Mac Mini, and other platforms are being discussed. They are planning to get it running, select a platform - multiple actually - and then restrict support to those. IMO this is an EXCELLENT idea, I wish the Myth guys would do the same. XBMC is as good as it is because of this now. Oh, it also sounded like they are considering trying to support XBOX 360 peripheral hardware.
    • greysun, on 10/11/2007, -0/+1" IMO this is an EXCELLENT idea, I wish the Myth guys would do the same"

      Thanks for the tip...and you're right, that is a great idea. I remember wishing Myth would do that, too.

      I'm glad I have a replacement route for when my xboxes start dying.
  • madk, on 10/11/2007, -7/+6Great potential...although there is already some great media centers in the Linux market.
    • BLKMGK, on 10/11/2007, -1/+2Great media centers on the Linux market? Name one that's as easy to setup as XBMC on XBOX hardware . KnoppMyth is the closest I've seen. LinuxMCE is still coming along. MythTV is far from a breeze. I think I missed one but so far nothing nearly as simple as FTP'ing code and booting has come along :-( If there's something like that I'm all ears. aTV maybe? :-) Some Myth folks talked about a standard platform but last I saw it hadn't gone too far and wasn't widely supported, a good idea though.
    • kingmoffa, on 10/11/2007, -0/+1XBMC is very good. Yes the bootup time is impressive and the interface is well done. 360 skin always confuses my friends.

      However I do prefer my myth tv frontend. Its quieter (compact flash so no HDD) and has a nice remote control. I wont say its perfect, but mythtv improves all the time. I've just added lastfm audio scrobbling to mine.

      At least if they port it to linux many people can have a go with making changes. AFAIK You always needed the official microsoft software development kit to compile anything for the xbox. With linux, there will none of that rubbish.
  • TechHerder, on 10/11/2007, -3/+22I've been keeping up with the SVN builds of this and you guys are making AMAZING progress so far. Day by day new features are added and confirmed working, and i'm learning a lot by following the code changes.

    Once word gets out that you need linux developers, I'm sure a lot of new members will hop on and get to coding.

    If you are not a linux developer but you want to help, digg this and help spread the word to get more qualified developers on board.
  • inkubux, on 10/11/2007, -4/+28I'll keep an eye on this as XMBC looks more polished than mythtv
    • ibis, on 10/11/2007, -1/+17In fairness, playing media, which XBMC does, is an easier task that writing a fullblown PVR, which myth is.
    • Grassmunk, on 10/11/2007, -1/+2Yes, a full blown PVR, which all it does is exactly what XBMC + record shows. XBMC already has the TV program schedule viewers plus it has an amazing skinable interface which just improves over time. Unless you want a very 'linux' type theme MythTV (in my opinion) is light years behind XBMC in terms of usability, responsiveness.

      I hope this project takes off. XBMC is the closest thing to a real usable PVR that free.
  • readme, on 10/11/2007, -1/+47***** yeah! XMBC 4 life!
  • CaptainFuture, on 10/11/2007, -1/+33Oh yeah! Full HDTV coming to XBMC!!!
  • cliffyboro, on 10/11/2007, -0/+12Will this offer easy upscaling just as it does on the XBOX?
  • maccam94, on 10/11/2007, -5/+8Note: This is NOT the OS of the XBox/360 being ported, it is an OSS app for Xboxes being ported to Linux. Even still, I'd like to see a new media center app on the Linux block...
    • xerox, on 10/11/2007, -0/+8Great addition, because you know, the title and description and link, didn't give that away.

      thanks for the contribution. :)
  • RefinedZombie, on 10/11/2007, -6/+24Here's to XBMC on Apple TV!
    • edrift101, on 10/11/2007, -2/+15Hell, I would buy one of those boxes to hack it for XBMC.
    • Chrysophrase, on 10/11/2007, -5/+7Hell, Here's to XBMC on the PS3 :)

  • edrift101, on 10/11/2007, -0/+24I would totally build a PC just for this, of course then I could play around with Myth TV and Linux as well.

    I love my Xbox with XBMC!
  • consonance, on 10/11/2007, -26/+1Microsoft... helping Linux... helping Microsoft? Get ready for fanboys screaming in agony as their realities begin to unravel.
    • austin63, on 10/11/2007, -0/+12How would that help Microsoft?
    • mabhatter, on 10/11/2007, -6/+3Microsoft takes a loss from every Xbox 1 sale that didn't sell 10 games with it. If people buy the original Xbox for only XBMC then it contributes to that 5 Billion MS is burning to break into the market... but it also counts as consoles sold when marketing to game makers so that's bad... [head explodes}
  • Demagogue, on 10/11/2007, -16/+2I have XBMC on my xbox but the only problem I have with it is that I have to boot to the stupid dashboard all of the time and my network isnt set up well enough for it to see my videos I download.
  • inkubux, on 10/11/2007, -0/+5I'm really exited about this news :)
  • kris33, on 10/11/2007, -3/+4Cool! I guess the Linux port will be ported quickly to OS X and Windows.
    • tavisjohn, on 10/11/2007, -4/+1I would totally use XBMC on my windows PC!!!
  • derekstech, on 10/11/2007, -1/+20i personally think xmbc is better than anything out there.
  • mingistech, on 10/11/2007, -0/+21I'd really like to see this running on a Playstation 3 Linux distro.

    I've been running XBMC on my xbox for years now. Though it's inability to playback HD video is it's biggest shortcoming.

    I usually use my AppleTV or PS3 for my 720p content, but would much prefer XBMC.
    • pike2k, on 10/11/2007, -3/+5sadly Sony has 'nutered' the PS3 hardware for 'Alternative OS's
      There is no 'accelerated graphics' on PS3 Linux, until Sony 'unnuters' the GPU

      until then we can only dream...
    • gsnedders, on 10/11/2007, -1/+16With a threaded decoder you should be able to easily decode HD video on the Cell (Toshiba showed off a concept product decoding fourty-eight SDTV MPEG2 streams at once on a Cell) meaning there is no requirement for the GPU at all.
    • mingistech, on 10/11/2007, -1/+10yes... i've heard that people running yellow dog on the ps3 with vlc installed are currently able to playback HD x264 encodes with no dropped frames.

      so the cell has enough juice to decode HD without the gpu.
    • Sabin, on 10/11/2007, -4/+7Except sony doesn't allow you access to the SPUs either. Real world perfomance for linux on the PS3 is about the same as running on a pentium 3 at around 800 MHz with no 3d acceleration or hardware mpeg decoder. It could do SD video but forget anything over 480p.
    • gsnedders, on 10/11/2007, -0/+2Huh? One SPU is disabled (due to low yields on the chip), and another is taken by the hypervisor. The other six are accessible by Linux, though unless you have specifically coded for them they go unused. This leaves GNU/Linux running on what is in essence a 400MHz G3 — something Apple were shipping in computers in 1999.
    • pike2k, on 10/11/2007, -4/+1"(Toshiba showed off a concept product decoding fourty-eight SDTV MPEG2 streams at once on a Cell)"

      Hello whitepapers! This was done by the same company who's involved in developing Cell, no surprise they managed to pull it off, and also it wasn't run on linux on a Retail ps3

      Team XBMC never did any driver development, in order for us to consider porting to ps3, an existing 'accelerated gfx' solution needs to be in place.
    • zetsurin, on 10/11/2007, -0/+3"Except sony doesn't allow you access to the SPUs either"

      That's patently innacurate, you are only being dugg up because others want everyone to believe Linux on the PS3 is unusable which is far from the truth. I have video, music, mame etc running via freevo on my gentoo setup on my PS3 and it's perfect. It's not suffering from the framebuffer access (the ONLY limitation at present) for that I am doing with it.
    • apoc06, on 10/11/2007, -0/+1@pike2k:

      have you ever considered 'asking' for formal permission to port it to the ps3 directly; porting it as a downloadable application for the ps3 native OS? granted they may see it as direct opposition to their XMB. that and theres always the fear that someone may 'sneak' in some exploitable code, [oh yeah, and theres that issue with the name... cant see sony appreciating a program called "xbox..."-anything on their flagship machine. maybe you can change it to mean xross bar media center or something, who knows?] so far sony seems pretty open to alternative apps on the ps3. maybe they could find a way to support xbmc as a third boot option with limited/ controlled gpu access.

      the problem with HTPCs is that they look and act like regular PCs. thats part of the beauty of xbmc. no one wants a huge HTPC taking up space in the entertainment center. i would buy a mac-mini or an apple tv box just for xbmc, but power vs. dollars? i would prefer it on the ps3.
  • j2crux, on 10/11/2007, -0/+5FYI:
    How to install it to your xbox in about 2.30 hours, (including driving time :-D)
    http://www.productwiki.com/microsoft-xbox/article/how-to-go-from-xbox-to-xbox-media-center-in-30-minutes.html
    • kolbyjack, on 10/11/2007, -0/+7Don't follow the instructions on that wiki from step 7 forward, though. XBMC really wants to be installed at E:AppsXBMC now. It has a little helper app to replace the dashboard.
  • fani, on 10/11/2007, -3/+5This is great news. Even though I love Linux and its great and all that... its a flop and non-entity in the media center market.
    Perhaps the xbox has the most superior media center today... and thats testament to the great XBMC developers.

    This being ported to linux is a great thing... and hopefully to other platforms as well. Porting to Windows fully will give it that super penetration and make XBMC a brand name for media centers...
  • Affiniti, on 10/11/2007, -0/+8Oh, this is good news. More people should know of this project.. XBMC is imo the best, it never stops amazing me.

    Dugg.
  • thrallie, on 10/11/2007, -0/+7I love XBMC, I use it on my xbox. But for now I don't need a linux PC with it. Mythtv isn't that great at just playing xvid dvd rips or tv shows, it's interface isn't made for that. XBMC with the Vision or XTV skins + Wide Icons for your movies / TV shows just looks sexy.
  • Ythan, on 10/11/2007, -1/+6This is very exciting news! XBMC is one of the most polished, professional and functional open source products I've had the privilege of using. It has ensured a permanent place for my Xbox 1 in my entertainment system. I'm glad the Linux community will have an opportunity to benefit from this great app.
  • HappyScrappy, on 10/11/2007, -3/+7How about you just port it to AppleTV? I can then wipe out the Apple UI on that thing and use XBMC UI and codecs.
  • raid517, on 10/11/2007, -0/+21Sorry for the comment abuse. But may I just bow and scrape in both utter grattitude and worship for those who have taken this bold decision?

    I have wanted this to happen ever since XBMC was first released - and have begged and pleaded for it on many, many occasions.

    These guys rock - and XBMC rocks like no other Media Center app. on the planet and now (or in the near future perhaps) I can fulfil my dream of building a small dedicated XBMC machine and of finally retiring my almost antique and venerable old XBox1.

    It also resolves another dilemma in my mind - which is the requirement to compile XBMC (an open source and wholly honest application) using an illegal (and in most cases stolen) SDK. (An SDK that is also almost undoubtedly becoming rapidly out of date, particularly in light of the ever increasing demands of HDTV and new media types, both current and those yet to be envisaged).

    But now XBMC has a future - and it deserves a future. It does not deserve to die as the XBox1 user base continues on it's ever more rapid decline.

    So I take my hat off to these guys and I say thanks. Thanks for all the years that have passed - and thanks once more for hopefully all of the years to come.

    Some things make life that little more bearable and that little bit more enjoyable - and in my view XBMC is certainly up there among the best of these.
  • tonyhartfield, on 10/11/2007, -0/+19XBMC is ***** amazing

    there's no other way of putting it to be honest, every day I've had it on my XBOX I've said it to myself and I still continue to.
  • jordn, on 10/11/2007, -0/+12for all that are interested...

    screenshot:

    http://www.tallal.org/xbmc_linux6.gif

    more information:

    http://xbmc.svn.sourceforge.net/viewvc/*checkout*/xbmc/branches/linuxport/XBMC/README.linux

    http://www.xboxmediacenter.com/forum/showthread.php?t=26097

    running on ubuntu! w00t :-)
    • carniv0re, on 10/11/2007, -0/+3that screenshot is hot.
    • generalloy, on 10/11/2007, -0/+2I think it looks great with the sexxy mc360 skin too ;)

      This is actually great news. SDL is a wonderful toolkit.
  • deadbaby, on 10/11/2007, -2/+2Great news... I've been using Media Portal on my HTPC with great results however I would much prefer a native Linux solution.
  • anchor, on 10/11/2007, -2/+0Here's hoping a ppc version is in the works.

    I suppose they'll have to change the name as well... no?
  • zdiggler, on 10/11/2007, -0/+3/me go shop for Xbox on ebay.
  • TheCheeks, on 10/11/2007, -3/+1i use xbmc on my xbox everyday, fantastic loader and great for streaming your tv rips, looks like crap on my lcd but streaming to a regular tv looks great! lcd's like to point out all the flaws ;)
    • jull1234, on 10/11/2007, -0/+3Just to clarify, its the tv rips that look like Hell on an HDTV, not the interface. (running at 720p/1080i that is)
  • BenBenMan, on 10/11/2007, -1/+9I will switch to Linux for this when it's stable enough. XBMC is just awesome.
    • raid517, on 10/11/2007, -0/+7Linux is already 'stable enough.'

      Oh right - you mean when XBMC is stable enough?

      Sorry for the -digg...
    • BenBenMan, on 10/11/2007, -0/+7Yeah that's what I meant ... Linux is certainly stable enough
  • mattyice11, on 10/11/2007, -0/+4As great as XBMC is, it could really use some help from NVidia and AMD to make the Linux version a huge hit. 100% GPU acceleration of h.264 videos is already available in NVidia's 8500 and 8600 series cards in Vista, and it's coming to XP soon. It allows you to get high def performance out of old single core setups that couldn't dream of running 1080p video right now.

    We all know that AMD/ATI can't be counted on for Linux support, so here's to hoping that Nvidia brings hardware acceleration to Linux. You could build a real video powerhouse for about the price of an AppleTV if they do it right.
  • TieDNKnotZ, on 10/11/2007, -0/+3Best news I've heard in a while. I've been a XBMC user for a looooong time and recently switched to Media Portal Running on a PC for HD content. But, it's just not cutting it. I will be counting the days.
  • zmigliozzi, on 10/11/2007, -1/+1This works out perfectly. My server now is linux, and I'm planning on getting a xbox this summer to hack and put XBMC on it. SWEET!
    • jull1234, on 10/11/2007, -0/+1You're waaaay behind the times here, dude. XBMC has been rocking my xbox since back in ought four :)
  • stonedgeek, on 10/11/2007, -0/+4Good luck XBMC team! Love your work.
  • Lambretta, on 10/11/2007, -0/+1This is truely great, something like this had to be done or I feer the project may have slowly faded away as XBOX1s die. For a project like XBMC this would be a true shame as it is truely amazing.

    Well done to all the devs', I only wish I could actually help in coding.
  • bowdie, on 10/11/2007, -0/+1I use XBMC at home, and it rocks. Does anyone know of anything like it for PS2? I have a tivo downstairs on my network, and it would be really great if I could stream the .ty's upstairs. I mean I could buy another xbox and mod it, but I've already got this PS2 with infinity mod just collecting dust.
  • blackoper, on 10/11/2007, -1/+0XBMC with the mythtv plugin totally rocks... That is most definately the route I will go but only if the get EVO playback support (HDDVD and Bluray movie rips)
  • KevinJim, on 10/11/2007, -0/+1What about LinuxMCE ?
  • NineT9mustang, on 10/11/2007, -5/+0what is linux? and wasn't xbmc made by a 13 year old girl?
  • Affiniti, on 10/11/2007, -0/+0Haha, thats some low looow trolling..
  • jrmann1999, on 10/11/2007, -0/+1Anyone know if mplayer support xns streaming natively? I know xbmc puts the polish on things, but I'm looking to try and stream my media now while I wait.
  • radio1mike, on 10/11/2007, -0/+1I think the obvious advantage to XBMC on Linux would be the ability to play to HD Media...

    I've used MythTV (KnoppMyth install) on my Linux computer and it was great. I have XBMC on my XBox now-- it works great... It's much better for playing media (interface) vs. MythTV. I just wish the MythTV plugin would have actually allowed to view Live TV on the XBox.

    I've also used MediaPortal for Windows PC. Nice but very buggy.

    Go team XBMC!
  • Anorexicpeanut, on 10/11/2007, -0/+3It will be interesting to see, If PS3/X360 can be hacked as open as XBOX, that XBMC might return to consoles. I would love to have a PS3 with XBMC on it, to play all my content, with no need to have a computer to work on to silence it.

    Keep up the good work XBMC , I still use it everyday on my XBOX
  • Erkan, on 10/11/2007, -1/+2I read in this thread someone claimed XBOX is a low power system. Sad I have to shock you but it is by no means a low power system!

    When playing games XBOX consumes over 100 watt. When idle in XBMC XBOX still hovers around 100 watt. That is a lot of watt for a celeron based system. No doubt it is probably the GPU that is constantly on that is consuming the majority of watt. As a reference my P4 2.4 GHz system with 120 GB harddrive and Radeon 9600 hovers around 60-75 watt while working in XP. A Sega Saturn uses 25 watt. An Amiga 1200 15 watt. A 32 inch flat screen Sony CRT TV, 100 watt.

    Another fun thing, when in stand by XBOX consumes over 10 watt. That is the same amount as a low energy lamp these days running 24/7.

    The XBOX was modeled after the Hummer booth in style and energy consumption.
    • pike2k, on 10/11/2007, -0/+1since we added HLT instruct, xbmc uses ~50-60watts, I forgot the exact figures.
      100watt it never consumed afaik
    • Zera, on 10/11/2007, -0/+2I have a meter on my XBOX and it averages around 70 watts. That is VERY efficient when it comes to a computer. It blows away any HTPC, as a normal PC consumes at least 200-350 watts, and even those slim Shuttle brand cases use a good 150-200.

      It was the power reason that I bought an xbox, because my HTPC which I've run for the past 4 years now, 24/7 I just had an old 10 GB drive in and it takes 3 minutes to boot. So I'd just leave it on. The xbox can boot into xbmc in under 10 seconds, and only consumes 70 watts while on. Not to mention its far quieter than my HTPC.

      The XBMC Project is just absolutely ingenious now as the xbox360's have superseded the xbox's leaving the old xbox's as nearly useless. The XBMC has brought new life into this old hardware, and that is no small feat, we can only hope for more projects like this to cleverly utilize our aging hardware that is otherwise thrown away.
  • Erkan, on 10/11/2007, -0/+1omg I got pwnt...

    anyways, a Linux port would be great, you can build up a low power hardware system these days that run in 30-40 watts.
  • slapthemonkey, on 10/11/2007, -0/+1XBMC is amazing.
  • MisterFlaut, on 10/11/2007, -0/+1I just wish the 360 would tie into it better. Why the hell is MS limiting us on which files we can play on our own machines?

    I wanna watch divx encoded stuff without having to transcode.
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