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- texklemer, on 08/20/2008, -4/+86If adobe ported Photoshop After effects and illustrator to Linux I would never have to touch anouther Microsoft product agian
- YodaJones, on 08/20/2008, -5/+35I would not hesitate to upgrade my Production Studio Premium to a Linux version.
These Adobe products are the only software preventing us from being all Linux all the time. I think we are not the only ones. - greensky, on 08/21/2008, -0/+29Instead of making their own version of Linux, they should just work with the major Linux vendors to make sure their software worked well on them.
- hamdoken, on 08/21/2008, -8/+34This is John "Why would anyone want to use a computer mouse?" Dvorak. The same guy who said that the Mac Mini would bankrupt Apple, and predicted that Apple was going to abandon OSX and switch to XP in their computers.
In other words, he is known for outrageously implausible predictions, and regularly pulls ***** out of his ass. - 2Deluxe, on 08/21/2008, -7/+32Dude even Acrobat reader takes 15 minutes to load, ***** an Adobe operating system.
- salmonmoose, on 08/21/2008, -3/+28Actually it's not that dumb of an idea - many major studios prefer linux for reliability and cost issues. They'd leap at the chance to throw away all the other systems.
- infiniphunk, on 08/21/2008, -1/+24Because Macs cost too much for what they do, and some of us would prefer to go without the fashion statement.
- JamesBrown, on 08/21/2008, -3/+23how about linking to the original article instead of to your lame-ass blog, submitter?
- awasson, on 08/21/2008, -1/+20That would be awsome... I'd port my workstations to Linux and they would scream. I'd run a copy of XP on VirtualBox just in case I needed something. Otherwise it would be a happy world of dependability and speed.
- Klowner, on 08/21/2008, -3/+22This is probably the most coherent idea I've ever heard come out of John C. Dvorak
- 4DFX, on 08/20/2008, -7/+25Err... what? Adobe helping Linux? Give me a break...
- Medicamusic, on 10/28/2008, -8/+24Would a bear help a palm tree pummel a remote?
- norman619, on 08/21/2008, -0/+15Zip up. Your iFanboy is showing. I use Adobe's CS3 suite and they all work fine on my Vista machine. too bad they haven't come out with 64 bit versions of their apps. The 64 bit versions of my other art programs run faster than the 32 bit versions I was using. No reason to use OSX since all of Adobe's applications run just fine under Windows. Apple was not happy when Adobe started supporting Windows many many years ago. They knew that move meant they were going to lose more users to Windows which actually did happen.
- Klowner, on 08/21/2008, -4/+18So your reading tutor has been beneficial to you then?
- tHePeOPle, on 08/21/2008, -0/+14Be nice if they could at least get the ***** flash plugin to work right.
- yertthedigger, on 08/20/2008, -7/+20This article is just a what-if day dream.
If you want supreme development tools for Linux, start writing them; Gimp, Dia, and Blender have already hit that area, all without needing Adobe. And if more people focus on Moonlight, you might actually have an open specification to write to, including dev tools... unless you want to stay with Flash and hope Adobe keeps the Linux version up to date. - rebotfc, on 08/21/2008, -0/+13Er... that's his job.
- inactive, on 08/21/2008, -0/+12What the *****?
I stopped reading after "Use a Mac".
Seriously, If you want your comment to be taken seriously make it worth more than a joke - You have no solid reasons behind why they should not have an application that is cross platform to Linux. The hardest part about making an application portable to Linux is having an application that is truly multi platform - obviously if CS3 were truly cross platform and not just #ifdef'd over they would have to port the underlying components and do a crapload of debugging, but in that case it wouldn't be entirely unreasonable as it is now. If they ever have to rewrite entirely a component of CS3, that's when the real chance would come. - das7282, on 08/21/2008, -6/+17Why would I want Microsoft "pummeled"?.. Believe it or not, there are actually people out there that "like" Windows. Like me, I've used and have experience with both Linux and OSX but I still prefer Windows and always come back to it.
- JamesBrown, on 08/21/2008, -3/+13I agree. There's nothing wrong with Windows. If you prefer OSX or Linux that's fine, but Windows is a good operating system
- inactive, on 08/21/2008, -1/+10Yes there is a need to port to Linux, last time I checked Apple doesn't offer OSX for normal x86 machines so no Mac for me.
- whereiseljefe, on 08/21/2008, -1/+9You mean like it's been doing and actually producing Mac + Windows + Linux AIR runtimes since day one?
It doesn't matter how hard one focuses on Moonlight, it will always lag behind Silverlight since they have to re-implement everything, especially since Microsoft has only given them meager help (a few unit tests and some internal documentation).
To say that because Adobe produces binaries and those might not be updated as fast as you require is worse than relying on a community reverse-engineered clone of a solution produced by a company who has not contributed anything worthwhile to porting said product to ANY other platform (moonlight on a mac? even MORE work) is completely ridiculous.
By the way, checkup on Adobe Flex and notice how the compiler and command line tools are available in Linux. - MaxterICC, on 08/21/2008, -0/+8because i feel stupid pirating a $3000 piece of software and then paying about that much for a machine to run it.... that and because steve jobs wears far too many v-necks for me to trust him.
- inactive, on 08/21/2008, -1/+8I'm happy that they've ported Flash Player over, but it would be cool if we could get some more companies.
Normal619: It's not realistic to port an existing application like 3DSMax - That's like rewriting 3DSMax from the ground up because of all the core changes. That's ridicules for Windows even! I'm sure they're glad to maintain a Linux port for Maya because it's cross platform already - If it's well programmed it's probably not too much of a problem since the GUI isn't all that elegant on any platform (3DS Max seems to be more bloated these days though. Had to install .NET the last time, that's a strange requirement for a performance critical software.)
Meocross: That's true, but Linux is seemingly the most promising for OEM deployment - It would be nice to see some desktops preloaded with CS3 and a comfortable environment, and perhaps it would help fuel interests in Linux. Of course It's not going to happen soon if at all, but since Linux has had quite unique results (possibly because of the whole 'distributions' thing, even though that causes a lot of problems with unification :) but maybe in the meantime some other interesting things will come out of OEMs selling Linux preloaded. - awasson, on 08/21/2008, -1/+8Corel doesn't really compare to Adobe in relative wealth & ingenuity. Adobe is a far mightier corp.
- Rakuseki, on 08/21/2008, -10/+17Would sales on linux distros help Adobe? Of course. Would Adobe ever want to 'pummel' Microsoft? No, why would they? They're a OS Manufacturer with a huge market share. That's like Adobe saying no to money. This just seems dumb to me. More importantly, what does Adobe have in the deal to help any manufacturer beat another one, especially when the 'great enemy' controls a *huge* portion of its customer base? If anything Linux should prove itself to Adobe that it's worth porting to and then if Adobe decides it's a good (read: profitable) idea, then it'll happen. I don't think Microsoft has any say in that. Adobe could care less about OS wars.
- TokenBlack, on 08/21/2008, -0/+7@zcreem
That's a pretty stupid argument against Microsoft, because Apple comes out with fixes all the time. You said yourself, no one makes the perfect OS. That includes Apple and the various Linux distros. - pak314, on 08/21/2008, -0/+7Well Adobe is a part of the Linux foundation. That doesn't mean a whole lot given the technical effort to port those apps and their target market but I don't think they are Linux unfriendly.
- orcishstra, on 08/21/2008, -0/+7I already have a copy of Adobe CS3. I would love future editions to work with Ubuntu without having to use Wine.
Adobe don't need to make a Linux distro and the creative suite doesn't need to be free or Open Source.
I'd still buy it! - daviangel, on 08/21/2008, -0/+7I wouldn't hold my breath since next version is gonna be 64bits for Windows only since it's too much work for them to get the 64bit mac version out at the same time! Probably don't have enough programmers as it is and they are probably already overworked!
- jejones, on 08/21/2008, -1/+7You misspelled "only".
- Theli, on 08/21/2008, -0/+6Isn't that a pretty good argument for optimization?
- Atomic1fire, on 08/21/2008, -0/+6Not going to happen, and if it did
Microsoft would make that outlook crippled - JamesBrown, on 08/21/2008, -1/+7I can't believe Dvorak's article only mentioned Silverlight and completely neglected to mention Microsoft Expression Studio, an entire suite of Adobe rip-off products. Silverlight (and Blend) is only a piece of the pie.
in my opinion Silverlight is vastly superior to Flash. But we'll see if after the olympics anyone actually uses it. - awasson, on 08/21/2008, -1/+7Adobe would love to pummel Microsoft for several reasons. First because Adobe & Microsoft have been waging a silent battle for almost 10 years over the PDF specification. MS has their own portable document format but Adobe beat them to it and won however it's not over. MS would like to take that title. The second reason is that Adobe Flash is directly under attack by MS Silverlight. Adobe would do well to get people off a Silverlight supported platform and onto a Flash supported platform.
- inksmithy, on 08/21/2008, -0/+6It's actually not that silly an idea. If Adobe came up with their own distro which was optimised for using the CS suite, and they sold the distro along with the suite, I'm fairly convinced it would sell like hotcakes. A stable, secure operating system designed to use the industry standard graphics applications? Of course it would.
As far as complying with the GPL goes, all they would have to do is make the linux codebase they altered available. Not terribly onerous and if the code they altered doesn't include the CS (which it wouldn't) then they aren't really giving any secrets away. But they would be contibuting in a huge way towards OSS, which is good for the OSS crowd and they would in turn have lots o contributions available from the OSS crowd, which would be good for them.
I think its a brilliant idea and think it would make a hell of a difference to linux takeup. How many times have you seen someone say 'if it ran photoshop, I would have it'? - thomas, on 08/21/2008, -4/+10The fact that MSNBC is using Sliverlight isn't exactly shocking. The MS is MSNBC does stand for Microsoft.
- PRlME, on 08/21/2008, -0/+6you're getting dugg down, but it's true. Look at Windows Me, or Vista its total *****, but MS recovers. Linux is very powerful but MS is still #1. They even jumped into the Video game Industry and have been kicking ass.
- norman619, on 08/21/2008, -5/+10So in other words all of his stuff is pretty much a waste of time? Thanks for the heads up.
- srg13, on 08/21/2008, -0/+5"Even Autodesk has pretty much told Linux users a Linux version of 3D Studio Max is not going to happen because it will mean recoding it from the ground up and that will cost them more money than the market share Linux represents is actually worth"
That's quite interesting, given that more than a few of Autodesk's products *only* work on Linux...
And, given that Adobe recently ported CS3 to Mac OS, I'm willing to bet that it would be far easier to port than Max. - akshay626, on 08/21/2008, -0/+5WTF? Best analogy ever...
- Atomic1fire, on 08/21/2008, -0/+5except you leave out silverlight as a factor
the second adobe goes fully linux (or technically fully crossplatform as it would be windows/mac/Linux), it will drop Microsoft's market share, as well as create a few conversions and allow adobe to attack Microsoft's Window's market share, that's the main wheel behind its Silverlight progress. Microsoft created a plugin that goes against flash, so what is adobe to do, since Microsoft could also just as easily create a pdf competitor using a specific version of .doc or just .doc
Killing adobe's control in the plugin market and decreasing its market share. Adobe will need to fight fire with fire in this round - themikeman, on 08/21/2008, -4/+9Such a scenario would basically eliminate my hesitation in making the full switch to Linux. Do the right thing Adobe...
- jamesdew, on 08/21/2008, -0/+5Utorrent runs perfectly fine under wine
- inactive, on 08/21/2008, -0/+5Well, if Adobe does port its CS suite to Linux it will certainly help. I'm sure many graphic companies would not miss having to pay Windows licenses.
- ronaldmonster, on 08/21/2008, -0/+5I doubt porting a product to another platform would take down an entire company.
- awasson, on 08/21/2008, -1/+6Awww.
Good for you :-b - zcreem, on 08/21/2008, -0/+5Corel had lost it long before they tried the Linux stunt, it was more an act of desperation than corporate strategy to attack MS
- Kelmon, on 08/21/2008, -1/+6It's one of the stupidest ideas I've heard because it makes no financial sense for Adobe to invest in porting the Creative Suite to Linux. They already get paid from the Windows and Mac versions and a Linux version will simply eat into their R&D, Support and Marketing costs. The only reason to produce a version is if you need to prevent the adoption of competing software. In the meantime existing license holder will continue to buy the Windows or Mac versions because they can't switch to Linux without a Linux version of the Creative Suite.
- SteveMax, on 08/21/2008, -0/+5Dvorak is a professional troll. All of his "ideas" are carefully engineered to create heated discussion, hopefully on his site's comments (giving him more money from the ads) or in blogs linking to his page (increasing the pagerank, driving more people to his site and giving more money from ads). In some articles he starts with somewhat coherent points, but misuses them just enough to hit a spot on both sides of the argument. In other cases his argumentation is completely flawed, making lots of people point those flaws. In every one of them, he makes a lot of money.
Should you read his articles? Yes, they usually at least bring up some good discussion. Should you trust his opinions? As much as you'd trust a $2586,84 bill. -
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